cutting a card to make a card!

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The only good one I've seen were these by fleer

But it ruined a perfectly good Greats of the Game auto. Unless the original card was mutilated or something, I hate autos cut from other cards.

How do you know it was perfectly good? What if they were from damaged cards? Or from cards that suppose to be limited to a certain number? Do you want the extras to get out into the market? That would kill integrity. If a card was SP 100, but they printed up 125 (25 for replacements), would you rather for them to cut off the signature and use it for a signature cut or just put it out into the market? My only issue is that autographs with a picture in the background takes away from the new card and looks ugly.

 

[steve-a-reno]

As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

 

[autocut]

As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

but what if those /100 are extras. If they put the original (replacement cards out), it wouldn't be /100 anymore. Look what happened to fleer cards after their bankruptcy.

 

[muchuckwagon]

It's particularly bothersome when the card destroyed is more eye appealing than the card produced.

That is a common misconception. People have this vision that a pristine vintage jersey, bat or document is destroyed to produce a cut autograph or game-used card. In many instances, it is much more cost effective to purchase torn, stained or partial items - bats, jerseys and documents to produce the cards. These items are not typically not very desirable from a collector's standpoint before they are made into cards.

To me, it makes little sense to make a "cut" autograph card for prospects or other modern players who have autographs that are a dime-a-dozen. While it might "enhance" or bolster the checklist of a product, it does little to provide a collector with any value. Collectors view cuts of modern players as a company being lazy and many times the quality of the card is lacking - incomplete autograph or cut doesn't fill or fit in the window.

 

[descott77]

i think it does look unprofessional...personally i work in a print shop with a big machine cutter so i have taken commons of lofton cards (which i have 50 of the same card) and experimented with cutting them into different things to see if it makes it look cool...rarely does it look good...it bothers me when companies cut cards like the one pictured a few posts earlier...id rather have a card that was destroyed with an auto than a recycled card...it might not be worth the big bucks but at least i know it was an original

maybe it is just a personal preference thing...i like cards that were produced as originals

 

[huntah]

What about a double sided window, showing the front and the back of the cut?

I stayed away from the Razor cuts product for one simple reason. They are not looking good imo. By that I mean they don't have any kind of pictures of the players/actors or whatever is on the card. Also no text telling who are the guys from the auto. People feels a lack of efforts invested to build a nice collectable. It's just a cut thrown between 2 cardboards.

For the idea of cutting your own cards? Are you planning to cut your unsold metal autos since your contracts are done with the exclusives? I don't know about that. One thing for sure we are talking about living players with cuts and market don't like that. Most people don't like cuts neither. You are starting from very low with that project. I think it could make some serious damage to your company's image.

Anyway, my opinion here is you will need to have a serious anticipated profit to try something risky like this and I think you will need to build mockups and get the opinion of the people here to improve the product prior to release.

 

[steve-a-reno]

As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

but what if those /100 are extras. If they put the original (replacement cards out), it wouldn't be /100 anymore. Look what happened to fleer cards after their bankruptcy.

You can play what if all day long (but I understand your point)........the fleer bankrupcy adds a new dimension, and a whole new ball of wax, that I don't believe the op was referring to.

Lets please not discuss the fleer bankrupcy, as I don't think I can handle it after what happened to me. ::facepalm::

 

[Razor]

How would you have felt if Topps (rather than putting in the product) cut up AFLAC autographs to make cut signature cards?

What if I cut up an unreleased (in autograph form) Razor card to make cut signature cards now?

Would this be ok?

BG

 

[A_Pharis]

I'd rather see them released as "Previously Unreleased Autographs" than cut up. Why waste the already-made card?

 

[Zambrano38]

For me the main thing is the area around the auto. A cut sig doesn't bother me as long as there is no text or there is nothing distracting attention away from the new card. If you are going to make a cut, then use a card like this:

That way when you make the cut it would just look like a trapped auto:

 

[FortyFour]

How would you have felt if Topps (rather than putting in the product) cut up AFLAC autographs to make cut signature cards?

What if I cut up an unreleased (in autograph form) Razor card to make cut signature cards now?

Would this be ok?

BG

They are doing this in their new minor league product.

 

[Ty Hope]

It looks very very unappealing. It comes across as cheap and lazy in my opinion. Instead of cutting up an older card, a redemption for the whole buyback would be a better idea.

 

[muchuckwagon]

How would you have felt if Topps (rather than putting in the product) cut up AFLAC autographs to make cut signature cards?

What if I cut up an unreleased (in autograph form) Razor card to make cut signature cards now?

Would this be ok?

BG

Not good in my opinion....My guess, a Razor autograph sold as a Bowman Draft cut autograph would sell for more than the Razor card alone. Not intended to start a flame war, just my opinion.

 

[autocut]

[quote="steve-a-reno":i2wlem44]As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

but what if those /100 are extras. If they put the original (replacement cards out), it wouldn't be /100 anymore. Look what happened to fleer cards after their bankruptcy.

You can play what if all day long (but I understand your point)........the fleer bankrupcy adds a new dimension, and a whole new ball of wax, that I don't believe the op was referring to.

Lets please not discuss the fleer bankrupcy, as I don't think I can handle it after what happened to me. ::facepalm::[/quote:i2wlem44]

There is no what if's. where do you think these buybacks come from.... actual dealers? secondary market? Already had issues years ago when multiple 1/1's were discovered on the market. There's enough stuff slipping into the market to openingly release them.

 

[RandomH]

IMO it makes a company look very LAZY. I and other collectors tend to stay far away from that crap.

Tri-Star cuts anyone? NO thanks

 

[dano7]

I have yet to see one I liked or wanted to own. Unless it is an index card or cancelled check of a deceased player, I don't see the point of a cut auto. The original card and signature would have more value to me as a collector. It wouldn't matter which card printed the original card or which company made the re-make.
DANNY

 

[steve-a-reno]

[quote="steve-a-reno":1xqo5dwt]As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

but what if those /100 are extras. If they put the original (replacement cards out), it wouldn't be /100 anymore. Look what happened to fleer cards after their bankruptcy.

You can play what if all day long (but I understand your point)........the fleer bankrupcy adds a new dimension, and a whole new ball of wax, that I don't believe the op was referring to.

Lets please not discuss the fleer bankrupcy, as I don't think I can handle it after what happened to me. ::facepalm::

There is no what if's. where do you think these buybacks come from.... actual dealers? secondary market? Already had issues years ago when multiple 1/1's were discovered on the market. There's enough stuff slipping into the market to openingly release them.[/quote:1xqo5dwt]

Yes there are, you said so yourself. I gave my opinion like everyone else, and that's it. You obviously disagree and want to make these other what ifs and other points over and over, which I said can be valid. You appear to be the only one really arguing for them, and that's fine its your opinion. You aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to argue with you over it.

 

[autocut]

IMO it makes a company look very LAZY. I and other collectors tend to stay far away from that crap.

Tri-Star cuts anyone? NO thanks

Tri-Star did make it look bootleg. They didn't even bother trying to center the cards.

 

[Jared]

I don't like it simply because I rather have the original card then the same card just cut up and put into another card.

 

[prospectorgems]

I think if they are autographs of deceased players that originally signed the card, then it looks fine. But if it is of a living player, they just look horrible. The card should just be included as an insert or stamped by the company as a certified on card autograph, don't cut it up and place it in another card.