cutting a card to make a card!

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[quote="steve-a-reno":34zn046v]

[quote="steve-a-reno":34zn046v]As others have said, I think it looks unprofessional. Especially using other company's cards. It gives me the impression that designers, etc. just took the lazy and easy way out. I also have a problem with it destroying previously issued cards. Granted most cards used for this purpose aren't great, however look at all the beautiful Joe Dimaggio pinnacle autos that have been destroyed over the years. It makes me sick to my stomach. I've even seen don. sig. century /100 autos cut up into cards. Those can be highly sought after and I think it slights collectors looking for those rare cards.

but what if those /100 are extras. If they put the original (replacement cards out), it wouldn't be /100 anymore. Look what happened to fleer cards after their bankruptcy.

You can play what if all day long (but I understand your point)........the fleer bankrupcy adds a new dimension, and a whole new ball of wax, that I don't believe the op was referring to.

Lets please not discuss the fleer bankrupcy, as I don't think I can handle it after what happened to me. ::facepalm::

There is no what if's. where do you think these buybacks come from.... actual dealers? secondary market? Already had issues years ago when multiple 1/1's were discovered on the market. There's enough stuff slipping into the market to openingly release them.[/quote:34zn046v]

Yes there are, you said so yourself. I gave my opinion like everyone else, and that's it. You obviously disagree and want to make these other what ifs and other points over and over, which I said can be valid. You appear to be the only one really arguing for them, and that's fine its your opinion. You aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to argue with you over it.[/quote:34zn046v]

I collect unreleased cards. Some are not what ifs. And I got a lot of my information from former card company execs, product managers, and employees. I guarentee you if a person spends $500 for a /25 auto, then 50-100 more show up on the market, they will cry foul as the value obviously decreases (since people "invest" in cards). Ok... here is a what if. What if Razor just sell those extras instead of cutting them up (no matter if the previous ones were limited to a certain number or not). I wonder how many people would be fine with that?

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Interesting topic.

Please keep in mind that there is no excuse for anyone who is alive to have a cut auto.

 

[Razor]

How would you have felt if Topps (rather than putting in the product) cut up AFLAC autographs to make cut signature cards?

What if I cut up an unreleased (in autograph form) Razor card to make cut signature cards now?

Would this be ok?

BG

They are doing this in their new minor league product.

How does it make you feel IF they do this as intended?
BG

 

[MojoDan]

Destroying the integrity of a previously issued card for re-entry into the hobby is not really something I am in favor of, and here's why.

This hobby would cease to exist without its collectors. Many of us have been in the hobby for several decades now, and have spent countless hours searching shops, shows, and auction sites for certain cards that we've wanted to add to our personal collections, but might have otherwise not been able to find or afford. Altering cards that even the most recreational of collectors spend time looking for not only takes away the thrill of finally locating that card, but the most primitive part of the hobby that keeps us coming back for more.

I think the bottom line is that we collect Baseball cards because it is a great hobby that serves a wide array of needs. Whether its an escape from the everyday grind, or just thumbing through the pages of an old binder to see your partial set of '82 topps that hasn't yet been completed, or even just remembering what it was like to be at the game where your player got the winning hit in extra innings.

For many people in this hobby their player collections and allegiances began from being part of a game where something special took place. For them to see that the card they wanted for their collection for so long to be diced up and repackaged not only takes away their ability to get the card they wanted, but deprives them of part of their experiences/memories.

It simply isnt enough to see a fraction of a player pose on a card, because most of the memories are remembered in FULL detail.


And if all of that isn't enough, consider how muddled the composition of the card detracts from its purpose.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Just my opinion on cuts....The idea to make them was a bad from the start, Some player cuts sell for more than some of their on card auto's...Companies also have an obligation to make money and sell product. Gives some the oppurtunity too offer auto's of players and others, They couldnt any other way.. Intorduces collectors of other types of memrobilia see the side of our hobby.. If it is cut from another companies card, check, photo or whatever else. It still takes something collectible to one group collectible to another...

:EDIT:

Yet, People dont have an issue with card companies. Cutting up jersey's and bats of huge historical value to the game. To make cards?..But have an issue with a card company using other companies cards to produce cut autos.. I am sure the Razor guy knows, People are just bashing him and that seems it..

 

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How would you have felt if Topps (rather than putting in the product) cut up AFLAC autographs to make cut signature cards?

What if I cut up an unreleased (in autograph form) Razor card to make cut signature cards now?

Would this be ok?

BG

They are doing this in their new minor league product.

How does it make you feel IF they do this as intended?
BG

If they were unreleased exclusively (meaning no parallels,base, or anything of the card was ever released), why not just release the cards themselves as a buyback? We all know card companies don't buy back their own cards, so that's not an issue. Fleer made that obvious when they release this card as a buyback, yet the card was never previously released.

If it is a card that has never hit the market, just keep the auto intact.

 

[moxacaine]

For me personally the cut up card or photo just has no appeal and seems lazy. Why destroy something original. Would you cut the autograph out of the 1952 Topps Mantle auto you bought at the Natty to make a cut? Seems crazy doesnt it? If you wouldnt do it with a card like that then you shouldnt do it at all. Cut autos were awesome when they were just using plaine paper/index cards and checks. Now seeing cut up HOF plaque cards, photos, and cards in cards just seems to me like its getting a bit out of control and ruining the whole idea.



Ill take this all day long at $100

Over this ugly thing at $160

 

[moxacaine]

Interesting topic.

Please keep in mind that there is no excuse for anyone who is alive to have a cut auto.

DING DING!!!!

 

[autocut]

For me personally the cut up card or photo just has no appeal and seems lazy. Why destroy something original. Would you cut the autograph out of the 1952 Topps Mantle auto you bought at the Natty to make a cut? Seems crazy doesnt it? If you wouldnt do it with a card like that then you shouldnt do it at all. Cut autos were awesome when they were just using plaine paper/index cards and checks. Now seeing cut up HOF plaque cards, photos, and cards in cards just seems to me like its getting a bit out of control and ruining the whole idea.



Ill take this all day long at $100

Over this ugly thing at $160

It just depends on what you cut up. i definately wouldn't have cut up that Joe D. card, but knowing they were used in cut would make me look for the original even more since they are obviously becoming more scarce. I get a lot of customs made, but I limit mine to index cards, plain paper, checks, and anything else that's harder to store.

 

[autocut]

Interesting topic.

Please keep in mind that there is no excuse for anyone who is alive to have a cut auto.

DING DING!!!!

Only problem with that is budget. Cut may be the only way to get if they can't afford to sign the player or pay to have them to sign x amount of cards. Cuts may be their only route.

 

[subject to change]

Brian, I think the situation you described is a little different than most cuts that have been put on the market. In most of those cases, the cards that have been cut up had already reached circulation, or were likely overstock from an already released product. From what you're describing, I am assuming the cards you have were from the set that was supposed to be released at the National.

If for whatever legal or contractual reason it is impossible for these cards to be released in their current form, and the only way the autograph will ever see the light of day is if it is cut, then I suppose I can't complain all that much. Would the cards likely appeal to me? No, I'd prefer any of the player's other cards on the market. But if this is the only way for you to get any value from the money you invested in these autographs, I can't fault the decision.

 

[moxacaine]

Interesting topic.

Please keep in mind that there is no excuse for anyone who is alive to have a cut auto.

DING DING!!!!

Only problem with that is budget. Cut may be the only way to get if they can't afford to sign the player or pay to have them to sign x amount of cards. Cuts may be their only route.

I would have to say it should be done right or not at all.

 

[autocut]

Brian, I think the situation you described is a little different than most cuts that have been put on the market. In most of those cases, the cards that have been cut up had already reached circulation, or were likely overstock from an already released product. From what you're describing, I am assuming the cards you have were from the set that was supposed to be released at the National.

If for whatever legal or contractual reason it is impossible for these cards to be released in their current form, and the only way the autograph will ever see the light of day is if it is cut, then I suppose I can't complain all that much. Would the cards likely appeal to me? No, I'd prefer any of the player's other cards on the market. But if this is the only way for you to get any value from the money you invested in these autographs, I can't fault the decision.

I totally agree. If they can be released and wasn't previously released... release them. If they can't be released for legal reasons.... add them to cuts.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I don't have a problem with it if the window cut out of the existing card doesn't look terrible. I don't want to see random body parts as the background to a signature, but a white or mostly single color area is fine with me. Now if you're taking a card with a picture of the player, cutting out the auto, and framing it in a border without a picture of the player then I'm not interested. Any cut auto without a picture of the subject of the card doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[huntah]

Brian, by unreleased are you talking about "distinctions" cards that were having QC problems? That would make sens you try to cut them if they are damaged (we never knew what were the damages) but I understand you want to save them into a cut product?

I think the best thing to do in this case would be to cut only the auto with no trace of the original card and include the auto in a "trap" like another member already propose. I would look like most of the ITG auto in hockey.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only value in those unreleased cards are the autos?

Here's an example of what I mean by trapped auto :

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-10-ITG-ULTIMAT ... 5d2766fce7

OF COURSE you will build a window big enough to have the entire sigs in it. Don't repeat ITG mistakes.

 

[RL24]

IMO it makes a company look very LAZY. I and other collectors tend to stay far away from that crap.

Tri-Star cuts anyone? NO thanks

Tri-Star did make it look bootleg. They didn't even bother trying to center the cards.

Nor did they bother to pick up authentic looking signatures. ::facepalm:: At least, the Rickey looked waaay off.

Someone said Donruss cut up cards to make "cut" autos... I don't recall that ever happening. Scan anyone, help me out?


Trent, I agree with the majority of responses here. Cutting up another companies card makes your company look cheap and lazy.

 

[aminors]

I think it's hideously ugly. It gives me the shivers when I see a card like the Pinnacle Joe Dimaggio auto cut up and glued into another card. Another example is Tristar SignaCuts. A guy at my local shop the other day bought some and busted it right there in the store. What he got was hideous. It was an Albert Pujols 1/1 cut auto, but the auto was about a fifth of the size of the window. Some of the Legendary Cuts cards used other cards (correct me if I'm wrong) and those looked like crap to me. Examples like these are what turns me off to this idea. However, my opinion is subject to change should any company, Razor or otherwise, produce a nice looking cut autograph card using another card.

As for designing cards, cutting them up pre-production, then inserting them in new cards to make cut autos, that seems like a big waste of money to me. Then again, I'm not in the industry and don't know what is and is not disposable.

Just my .02
Ant

 

[Razor]

Interesting topic.

Please keep in mind that there is no excuse for anyone who is alive to have a cut auto.

DING DING!!!!

Only problem with that is budget. Cut may be the only way to get if they can't afford to sign the player or pay to have them to sign x amount of cards. Cuts may be their only route.

I would have to say it should be done right or not at all.

Harrison Ford has stated he WOULD NOT sign trading cards anymore.
I offered him $400 per signature !!!!!!
If he refuses, should he NEVER have anothr auto card?

Or, what about Neil Armstrong who is alive but wouldnt sign for $2500 per signature!...

I think many collectors would rather have a cut as a chase then do whithout.

Then what?
BG

 

[Razor]

Brian, by unreleased are you talking about "distinctions" cards that were having QC problems? That would make sens you try to cut them if they are damaged (we never knew what were the damages) but I understand you want to save them into a cut product?

I think the best thing to do in this case would be to cut only the auto with no trace of the original card and include the auto in a "trap" like another member already propose. I would look like most of the ITG auto in hockey.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only value in those unreleased cards are the autos?

Here's an example of what I mean by trapped auto :

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-10-ITG-ULTIMAT ... 5d2766fce7

OF COURSE you will build a window big enough to have the entire sigs in it. Don't repeat ITG mistakes.

No, not even referring to my brands... just want honest opinions... BG

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Cutting up a card (or photo, etc) doesn't make a difference to me as long as the new card looks good and is well designed.

How do you feel about cutting up a trading card to make a trading card?

Why does it bother you?

Does the manufacturer who does it make a difference?

We will be awarding a Razor metal Wieters autograph to a member randomly drawn who replies in a cosntructive way to this thread.

Thnaks.. BG