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[SamHell]

Rasmus having his manager talk trash about him a few days before did not help his trade value.

 

[tm decomposer]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

That's why he's a writer, not a gm.

 

[MacK]

Rasmus having his manager talk trash about him a few days before did not help his trade value.

Agree.

Colby was becoming a distraction, and it's a shame how it got out into the media. Colby being moved was inevitable.

 

[Adamsince1981]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":391x7386]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

Of course it's no where near fair value. Just stating that Miller and Tallet had no place on this team.

It doesn't matter what a blogger thinks. Mozeliak's hand was forced. I'm upset with the return, I really wanted Thames, but whatever.[/quote:391x7386]

I try to keep telling myself that Rzepczynski and Jackson are more important for 2011 than Rasmus. But, long term, I hate this trade and LaRussa.

 

[braden]

So, to summarize:

Frasor- great middle reliever, longest tenured reliever in MLB w/ one team other than Mo Rivera, potential draft pick compensation
Stewart- iffy on ever making it as a starter, liked him though
Rzep- liked him a lot. Think he could maybe start
Patterson- oh, thank God.
Dotel- potential draft pick compensation. Not a fan of his by any means.

For a potential impact player? Jebus. AA has become the king of buying low. He has acquired Brandon Morrow, Yunel Escobar, and now Colby Rasmus for five relievers, an old shortstop, a horrible outfielder, two decent prospects (Pastornicky, Stewart), and a big iffy prospect (Chavez). Unbelievable.

 

[MacK]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":3va5wjjh]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

Of course it's no where near fair value. Just stating that Miller and Tallet had no place on this team.

It doesn't matter what a blogger thinks. Mozeliak's hand was forced. I'm upset with the return, I really wanted Thames, but whatever.

I try to keep telling myself that Rzepczynski and Jackson are more important for 2011 than Rasmus. But, long term, I hate this trade and LaRussa.[/quote:3va5wjjh]

The trade makes us a lot more balanced. Bullpen has been revamped with McClellan, Dotel, and Rzepcynski. I'm not comfortable with Corey Patterson/Jon Jay in center, though I guess Skip can play CF.

 

[Adamsince1981]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":1ppsuult]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":1ppsuult]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

Of course it's no where near fair value. Just stating that Miller and Tallet had no place on this team.

It doesn't matter what a blogger thinks. Mozeliak's hand was forced. I'm upset with the return, I really wanted Thames, but whatever.

I try to keep telling myself that Rzepczynski and Jackson are more important for 2011 than Rasmus. But, long term, I hate this trade and LaRussa.[/quote:1ppsuult]

The trade makes us a lot more balanced. Bullpen has been revamped with McClellan, Dotel, and Rzepcynski. I'm not comfortable with Corey Patterson/Jon Jay in center, though I guess Skip can play CF.[/quote:1ppsuult]

I would hope Jay is in CF 95% of the time.

 

[braden]

For Cards fans, from a Jays fan:

If Dotel only faces righties, you'll love him.
You'll fall in love with Rzep's slider against lefties. It's wonderful. I still think he can start.
Patterson, you'll hate him. Hate. He'll tease you with a game or two where he flashes his enormous talent and he'll kill you with his complete lack of baseball IQ. Horrible fielding, the worst baserunning I've ever seen, and the complete inability to take a walk.

Rzep's the one longterm key to this. He could be a shutdown LOOGY, a shutdown set-up man, or, potentially in the NL Central, a #3 starter.

 

[MacK]

For Cards fans, from a Jays fan:

If Dotel only faces righties, you'll love him.
You'll fall in love with Rzep's slider against lefties. It's wonderful. I still think he can start.
Patterson, you'll hate him. Hate. He'll tease you with a game or two where he flashes his enormous talent and he'll kill you with his complete lack of baseball IQ. Horrible fielding, the worst baserunning I've ever seen, and the complete inability to take a walk.

Rzep's the one longterm key to this. He could be a shutdown LOOGY, a shutdown set-up man, or, potentially in the NL Central, a #3 starter.

Rzep's already my favorite part of the deal, by far. Don't you guys call him Scrabble?

Like to think he'll be a LOOGY this year, then given a shot to start next Spring.

 

[ballerskrip]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

 

[MacK]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":133wastf]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":133wastf]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

Of course it's no where near fair value. Just stating that Miller and Tallet had no place on this team.

It doesn't matter what a blogger thinks. Mozeliak's hand was forced. I'm upset with the return, I really wanted Thames, but whatever.

I try to keep telling myself that Rzepczynski and Jackson are more important for 2011 than Rasmus. But, long term, I hate this trade and LaRussa.

The trade makes us a lot more balanced. Bullpen has been revamped with McClellan, Dotel, and Rzepcynski. I'm not comfortable with Corey Patterson/Jon Jay in center, though I guess Skip can play CF.[/quote:133wastf]

I would hope Jay is in CF 95% of the time.[/quote:133wastf]

Patterson will probably get his fair share, just like Randy Winn.

 

[Adamsince1981]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":8d7fks4n]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":8d7fks4n]

[quote="Skorris CCBC":8d7fks4n]

That deal makes no sense for the Cardinals if they are giving up three others players aside from just Rasmus as moving bullpen guys for different bullpen guys doesn't address that need.

Not really, we had the worst lefties this year. Tallet had no place on this team, Miller was struggling. Walters wasn't even a decent mop-up man.

It doesn't matter, they got no where near enough value for him. Jason Churchill who runs one of the main Mariner prospect websites and is an ESPN writer advocated the M's to trade MICHAEL PINEDA for Rasmus. He said that is what it would take to get him and even Brandon League + Eric Bedard wasn't enough and we would have to add prospects. They got no where near his value.

Of course it's no where near fair value. Just stating that Miller and Tallet had no place on this team.

It doesn't matter what a blogger thinks. Mozeliak's hand was forced. I'm upset with the return, I really wanted Thames, but whatever.

I try to keep telling myself that Rzepczynski and Jackson are more important for 2011 than Rasmus. But, long term, I hate this trade and LaRussa.

The trade makes us a lot more balanced. Bullpen has been revamped with McClellan, Dotel, and Rzepcynski. I'm not comfortable with Corey Patterson/Jon Jay in center, though I guess Skip can play CF.[/quote:8d7fks4n]

I would hope Jay is in CF 95% of the time.[/quote:8d7fks4n]

Patterson will probably get his fair share, just like Randy Winn.[/quote:8d7fks4n]

Only because LaRussa is our manager....

 

[manningmurphyfan]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

He could also pull a Yunel Escobar and flourish in a new surrounding. Some of the same things were said of him even though he had produced up until last year and now it looks like a horrible trade a year later.

 

[Adamsince1981]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

He just got traded to a much tougher division, but I think he'll mature and play better away from LaRussa.

 

[braden]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

Oh, totally. But when the cost is three spare parts and two B level prospects (counting Scrabble as a prospect), I'll take that shot any day.

 

[ballerskrip]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

He just got traded to a much tougher division, but I think he'll mature and play better away from LaRussa.

Some times a fresh start is all that is needed. I wish him the best.

The Blue Jays are really damn smart. Getting back multiple relievers, so that can go and trade Frasor. Also freeing up the opportunity to potentially trade Rauch, etc. AA is the man! And everyone doubted him for signing Bautista long term. In AA i trust.

skrip

 

[ballerskrip]

I realize that many are HARD for Rasmus's upside....BUT

This year, in a Lineup with Pujols, Berkman, and Holliday -

.246
14 HR
40 Rbi
77 k's in 338 at bats
5 sb

Not really sure what I am missing. Along with questionable makeup issues, family issues, uncoachable (according to Cardinals coaches), etc.

He could turn out to be a stud, but he is 1300 at bats into his career. It's not like he is a rookie.

skrip

Oh, totally. But when the cost is three spare parts and two B level prospects (counting Scrabble as a prospect), I'll take that shot any day.

Agreed, I would as well. I was directing that more to our Cardinals brothers....

 

[Super Mario]

Not sure I like THIS Rasmus deal. I would like A Rasmus deal, just not sure I like THIS Rasmus deal. We could have gotten so much more from him that would have helped us long term. This deal, not so much. Octavio Dotel? Really? I don't see how Rzepczynski and Edwin Jackson are really going to help us more than Rasmus either.

Weird move Moz. Hope you know what you're doing. Good luck in Toronto Colby Jack. It's a good park for you.

 

[James52411]

It's a good thing for Mozeliak that the Lance Berkman signing has worked out so well, because other than that I am not too impressed with his work.

 

[hive17]

Does anyone wonder if Rasmus and Lawrie will either bond over their "make-up" issues, or totally clash/hate each other. Either way doesn't seem like something you want.