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elvis andrus the next derek jeter?
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Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:Mighty Bombjack said:KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":2otlbbka]sportscardtheory said:I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?[/quote:2otlbbka]
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.
sportscardtheory
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":xv6oxze6]KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":xv6oxze6]sportscardtheory said:I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?[/quote:xv6oxze6]
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:xv6oxze6]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?
Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":1uionwys]KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":1uionwys]sportscardtheory said:I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:1uionwys]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?[/quote:1uionwys]
"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.
BunchOBull
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Brett Keith said:"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.
Common misconception...Barry Larkin actually invented sliced bread and therefore, at one time, sliced bread was the greatest thing invented since Barry Larkin.
sportscardtheory
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":36x1l7wa]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":36x1l7wa]KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":36x1l7wa]sportscardtheory said:I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:36x1l7wa]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?[/quote:36x1l7wa]
"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.[/quote:36x1l7wa]
Barry Larkin was better than Derek Jeter? I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, and I'm certainly not touching this one with a ten-foot pole.
Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":33tx00ya]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":33tx00ya]KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":33tx00ya][quote="sportscardtheory":33tx00ya]
I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:33tx00ya]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?[/quote:33tx00ya]
"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.[/quote:33tx00ya]
Barry Larkin was better than Derek Jeter? I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, and I'm certainly not touching this one with a ten-foot pole.[/quote:33tx00ya]
So in your eagerness to defend the Jeter, you fail to read? "as good or better".
pujolsthomefan33
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Thanked for bringing up Barry Larkin----man gets no love.....extremely gifted SS in his era....
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sportscardtheory
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":3m3t90l0]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":3m3t90l0]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":3m3t90l0]KOBEARODLT said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":3m3t90l0][quote="sportscardtheory":3m3t90l0]
I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:3m3t90l0]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?[/quote:3m3t90l0]
"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.[/quote:3m3t90l0]
Barry Larkin was better than Derek Jeter? I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, and I'm certainly not touching this one with a ten-foot pole.[/quote:3m3t90l0]
So in your eagerness to defend the Jeter, you fail to read? "as good or better".[/quote:3m3t90l0]
:lol: Oh, sorry. And Lou Whitaker was "as good or better" than Ryne Sandberg.
Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":1h5acs9t]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":1h5acs9t]sportscardtheory said:[quote="Mighty Bombjack":1h5acs9t][quote="KOBEARODLT":1h5acs9t][quote="Mighty Bombjack":1h5acs9t][quote="sportscardtheory":1h5acs9t]
I know, it makes me laugh. The man has rabid fans, and HE gets flack because of it... lol.
Where is this "flack" of which you speak?
this right here...the exact quote from you is the flack of which we speak...
People have hate for the man because he gets stroked constantly. They get sick of hearing it. Great players are great, and it doesn't need to be said every few minutes.
You got me there, but did I give him any hatred? Have I ever? Is their any hatred for him in this post? One person called him above-average, which I would debate, but not call hatred.
He is as overrated as any baseball player in the history of the game. He is also one of the best. Do you call that "flack"?
My point: no one would have any dislike of the guy if not for people (not him) needing to pump him up all the time.
I hear this hypocritical banter all the TIME about Jeter. "He is one of the best ever, but he is overrated." How does that make sense??? He is beloved for the way he plays the game, but doesn't deserve the accolades because WHY?
It's not hypocritical. It's just like saying a player isn't great, but he's underrated, they're not mutually exclusive. It makes perfect sense, not sure how it's hard to get.[/quote:1h5acs9t]
Hmmm, let's see. "(blank) player is AWESOME, but he doesn't deserve to be talked about as being awesome." Catch my drift?[/quote:1h5acs9t]
"______ ______ is the greatest thing since sliced bread." When in fact, there have been atleast a handful of things as good or better than that player since the advent of sliced bread, like the microwave and Barry Larkin.[/quote:1h5acs9t]
Barry Larkin was better than Derek Jeter? I guess we are all entitled to our opinions, and I'm certainly not touching this one with a ten-foot pole.[/quote:1h5acs9t]
So in your eagerness to defend the Jeter, you fail to read? "as good or better".[/quote:1h5acs9t]
:lol: Oh, sorry. And Lou Whitaker was "as good or better" than Ryne Sandberg.[/quote:1h5acs9t]
Nah, there's no real case for that.
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look, everyone has there opinion, some say jeter is ovefrrated, others say that he is underrated, others say they hate him because he is a yankee, the guy is good, and i think so will ANDRUS but i am not putting andrus in the hall of fame, i am just saying that they have a lot of the same qualities, plus andrus will steal more bases, and i dont knomw where they will end up in world series rings but they kid can play, there is no doubt about that and i think some of you need to understand that i was just comparing some of the tools that they have as short stops, plus, i think jeter gets a lot of praise because he is mr november and he was clutch in those playoff games, then again people do just hate him because he is a yankee. i hate the yankees, but i respect jeter and i think he is a shoe-in hall of famer. i dont know where andrus will be, but i was looking at 2 things:
the catch that happened last night where andrus makes the catch in the first row of the stands and in someone's lap, just like JETER
the running towards the outfield, jumpthrow that they do and get the guy running to first.
not saying that no other person has done that before, but i will say that andrus and jeter make some awesome catches, what i want to know is, where is the phenom word for andrus, felix hernandez was a phenom, now a days, people put strasburg and bryce harper in the hall of fame and before they even play one game, yet andrus is just ok, ARE YOU KIDDING ME, THIS GUY IS DOING IT NOW, IN FRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE PROS, so dont give me this lets wait a couple of years before we start comparing, people do this everyday and with kids from high school, everyone can compare who with who they want and i think ANDRUS has a shot at being the next jeter. yankees or no yankees
the catch that happened last night where andrus makes the catch in the first row of the stands and in someone's lap, just like JETER
the running towards the outfield, jumpthrow that they do and get the guy running to first.
not saying that no other person has done that before, but i will say that andrus and jeter make some awesome catches, what i want to know is, where is the phenom word for andrus, felix hernandez was a phenom, now a days, people put strasburg and bryce harper in the hall of fame and before they even play one game, yet andrus is just ok, ARE YOU KIDDING ME, THIS GUY IS DOING IT NOW, IN FRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE PROS, so dont give me this lets wait a couple of years before we start comparing, people do this everyday and with kids from high school, everyone can compare who with who they want and i think ANDRUS has a shot at being the next jeter. yankees or no yankees
sportscardtheory
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I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
sportscardtheory
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
Mighty Bombjack
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sportscardtheory said:Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
This is a very telling comparison, thanks for posting it. Is there a stat for hype, or "ratedness"? Something tells me one of these guys would be "under," and one would be "over."
Brett Keith
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sportscardtheory said:Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
Jeter has been healthier, Larkin's numbers were pulled down some because of injuries. When Jeter has some injuries or starts going downhill, you'll see the numbers get closer. I believe Larkin was a far superior defender also, and a better baserunne, who K'd much less.
sportscardtheory
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Mighty Bombjack said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":ixnyq9gn]sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
This is a very telling comparison, thanks for posting it. Is there a stat for hype, or "ratedness"? Something tells me one of these guys would be "under," and one would be "over."[/quote:ixnyq9gn]
You are right, Jeter is "over" Larkin in 10 of 15 categories. :lol:
Mighty Bombjack
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":3uphc1a0]sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
Jeter has been healthier, Larkin's numbers were pulled down some because of injuries. When Jeter has some injuries or starts going downhill, you'll see the numbers get closer. I believe Larkin was a far superior defender also, and a better baserunne, who K'd much less.[/quote:3uphc1a0]
Larkin was a much better defender who won only three GGs because of Ozzie. Jeter has been superior offensively. Pretty close comparison.
sportscardtheory
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Brett Keith said:sportscardtheory said:[quote="Brett Keith":2ot6x23g]sportscardtheory said:I will agree that Barry Larkin was a GREAT baseball player... but talk to me when Derek Jeter's career is over to start any comparisons.
Jeter has already peaked though, and obviously Larkin has. Larkin won't have near the career numbers Jeter will, because he had a number of injuries. Some people prefer longevity and counting stats, I probably wouldn't fall into that category. You can say Jeter is better based on what you value, that's fine, but I will say that at both of their bests, give me Larkin.
Fair enough. But you can look at their career per-162 game averages to see who was/is seemingly the "better" player.
Jeter - RUNS (119) HITS (207) 2B (34) 3B (5) HR (17) RBI (82) SB (23) BB (67) SO (112) AVG (.315) OBP (.386) SLG (.458) OPS (844) TB (300)
Larkin - RUNS ( 99) HITS (174) 2B (33) 3B (6) HR (15) RBI (71) SB (28) BB (70) SO ( 61) AVG (.295) OBP (.371) SLG (.444) OPS (815) TB (262)
Jeter has been healthier, Larkin's numbers were pulled down some because of injuries. When Jeter has some injuries or starts going downhill, you'll see the numbers get closer. I believe Larkin was a far superior defender also, and a better baserunne, who K'd much less.[/quote:2ot6x23g]
5 more stolen bases a season makes him that much of a better baserunner? And what good does Larkin striking out less mean when Jeters OBP is 15 points higher. I'm not here to argue, but I just don't see Larkin being "as good or better". It seems as though he is "not as good"... at least offensively.
