Fan dies tonight going after foul ball

[justinmandawg]

They say he was alive and alert after the fall.
He even told security to get his kid as he was alone.

This would make me think he had suffered a severe trauma, ended up w/ a bleed or the like, loss of circulatory pressure. A TBI without loss of consciousness, is odd or at least speech / neurological problems is unlikely. That's just me thinking. I wouldn't think cardiac arrest would be it here. I've seen people bleed out from a AAA, loss of pressure etc, under a minute. Above 20 feet most falls result in death (according to what I was taught by an ER MD), below 20 is still 25% casualty. Add in concrete and this guy is one unlucky dude. I can't imagine leaving my kids now.

 

[justinmandawg]

I realize that. But i dont know, the laughing kind of disturbed me. That is solely my opinion however

I've been in codes where we all (multiple MD, DO, ARNP, RN, RT, etc) started hysterically laughing. It's a protective mechanism. It's not something that is nice but it's saved my psychological state a time or two. Maybe that's what these guys are doing. I didn't watch the clip, I see it enough. I'm not saying anyone that did watch it is rude or anything. I just can't.

 

[justinmandawg]

was just talking to a friend about this and he made a very good point - security could be liable as well. didn't look like a fall that could necessarily kill the man. it's very possible that they moved him in a manner that they shouldn't have when they got down there.

The cause of cardiac arrest was most likely trauma from the fall. I would be shocked if they determined that the first responders were accountable at all.

I was expecting to hear it was a TBI.

From the video that would be the easiest conclusion to arrive at. Are cardiac arrests common in instances of TBI?

I didn't watch it. I don't know of a connection of cardiac arrest to TBI. Ususally w/ a tbi, the Pons,. etc, remain undamaged, allowing brain death but still support of autonomic systems. My training lies in the multi-organ system failure area along with stroke so TBI and CA aren't my strong suits.

 

[TBTwinsFan]

I think an autopsy needs to be done for this one. I mean clearly the fall in some way caused this man to die but, was it the impact with the ground, or was it shock from the fall. I could see it going either way, maybe it scared him to a point of some cardiac failure.

I would say either Trauma, or both. He died about 3 hours later.

 

[rsmath]

Hamilton is back in the lineup tonight so I guess he can't feel too bad about things. I suppose he is probably hardened to death after probably being around a lot of accidental deaths.

At least he should claim emotional breakdown and get removed from the lineup for a day or two (or go on the DL if he really wants to play it up). He'll be feeling it in the pocketbook when the man's family comes after him in court.

 

[alabamalongsnake]

Hamilton is back in the lineup tonight so I guess he can't feel too bad about things. I suppose he is probably hardened to death after probably being around a lot of accidental deaths.

At least he should claim emotional breakdown and get removed from the lineup for a day or two (or go on the DL if he really wants to play it up). He'll be feeling it in the pocketbook when the man's family comes after him in court.

Hamilton is in no way going to be held responsible. My guess is that the Rangers will negotiate a nice settlement with the family. That's what insurance is for and a stadium policy will certainly cover something like this. Now if the insurance company wants to fight it then they might have a problem.

 

[WJCIII]

To those saying the railing is too short, OSHA recommends/requires railing to be 42 inches high. The railing at this ballpark is 46 inches high. While it may need to be higher it is certainly well over requirements and suing the Rangers/Hamilton will just make a sad situation even more sad. People need to see this for what it is, an accident.

Also, I had to have 1/4 of my skull removed 15 years ago to relieve bleeding and swelling in my brain from a similar type injury and one of the things the doctors were concerned about was me going into cardiac arrest. They explained to me why but I don't remember so I guess things like that happen with these injuries sometimes.

The Rangers and the city of Brownwood have both started funds for his family.

 

[fengzhang]

was just talking to a friend about this and he made a very good point - security could be liable as well. didn't look like a fall that could necessarily kill the man. it's very possible that they moved him in a manner that they shouldn't have when they got down there.

The cause of cardiac arrest was most likely trauma from the fall. I would be shocked if they determined that the first responders were accountable at all.

I was expecting to hear it was a TBI.

From the video that would be the easiest conclusion to arrive at. Are cardiac arrests common in instances of TBI?

I didn't watch it. I don't know of a connection of cardiac arrest to TBI. Ususally w/ a tbi, the Pons,. etc, remain undamaged, allowing brain death but still support of autonomic systems. My training lies in the multi-organ system failure area along with stroke so TBI and CA aren't my strong suits.

People who die from a TBI die from loss of autonomic function but not because the medulla or pons is directly damaged. The TBI causes bleeding in the brain. Since the skull is a closed space, bleeding will increase intracranial pressure which in turn causes the brain to herniate. The brain typically herniates to the side and downward which puts pressure on the brain stem, leading to autonomic collapse and/or cessation of breathing.

One type of brain bleed is typically associated with a "lucid interval" (where the patient remains awake and lucid). That's an epidural bleed. Typically, patient will initially lose consciousness on impact, then become lucid, and then slowly become somnolent as their brain herniate before passing away. If this guy never lost consciousness at all, it's unlikely he hit his head. He could've just injured his liver or spleen or had a pelvic fracture and then bled to death. Likely not an aortic tear as he would've died within minutes (your belly can easily accomodate 5 liters of blood).

It's a sad story overall.

 

[markakis8]

Hamilton is back in the lineup tonight so I guess he can't feel too bad about things. I suppose he is probably hardened to death after probably being around a lot of accidental deaths.

At least he should claim emotional breakdown and get removed from the lineup for a day or two (or go on the DL if he really wants to play it up). He'll be feeling it in the pocketbook when the man's family comes after him in court.

Did Josh give you some of his old stash or something? What are you smoking?

 

[shanks25]

Hamilton is back in the lineup tonight so I guess he can't feel too bad about things. I suppose he is probably hardened to death after probably being around a lot of accidental deaths.

At least he should claim emotional breakdown and get removed from the lineup for a day or two (or go on the DL if he really wants to play it up). He'll be feeling it in the pocketbook when the man's family comes after him in court.

I'm not a Rangers fan or a Hamilton fan in any manner but you sir, are a *********.

 

[bricewaynebisel]

Hamilton is back in the lineup tonight so I guess he can't feel too bad about things. I suppose he is probably hardened to death after probably being around a lot of accidental deaths.

At least he should claim emotional breakdown and get removed from the lineup for a day or two (or go on the DL if he really wants to play it up). He'll be feeling it in the pocketbook when the man's family comes after him in court.

I'm not a Rangers fan or a Hamilton fan in any manner but you sir, are a *********.

+1. Any attempt at a suit for something like this would get laughed right out of court. Even if it wouldn't, the contributory negligence on the part of the fan would surely cancel out anything on Hamilton's part.

 

[thegreathambino]

I am a huge fan of Josh Hamilton, one of the biggest I know. This is such a terrible thing that happened. Words cannot describe it. I feel for the death of the man, the son and family that was left behind, I really do. Its really so saddening to me, that its actually had me down since it happened. I tend to feel bad for people or anything very often, even after killing a fly or something. I feel horrible for Josh Hamilton. After all he's been through, this is not something he needs. He had a few years of weakness in his life where he reached the depths of his life.

Josh Hamilton has overcome so much in his life, to be an All Star in the Major Leagues and an MVP. I love Josh Hamilton and I almost wish I could do something about this to make it better. I feel horrible for the family of the victim. I feel horrible for Josh Hamilton. This was so sad.

Anyone who says that Josh Hamilton didn't have strong feelings over it because he played tonight is just an absolute a-hole. From experiencing troubling loss's myself, doing something you love can help briefly take your mind off the tragedy in your life.

RIP to the victim, Shannon. My prayers are with his son and the rest of his family and friends.
And my prayers are with my favorite player, now and always, Josh Hamilton.

 

[MacK]

This kind of just reminded of Busch's stadium higher levels.

There's a higher barrier at the end of the aisle, so anyone falling down the aisle would be blocked by the barrier, but it seems like the actual barrier in front of the seats is rather low. Last month, I was sitting in the 4th row up there, and tripped over someones foot, and fell down a row. If I was in the first row, I'm not sure if I would have been able to keep myself from falling over the barrier.

 

[predatorkj]

20 feet is a heck of a long way to fall on cement.

Yes...it is. 5 years ago, we had our job site shut down for a day when a guy died after falling only about 10 feet off a ladder. Two years before, at another job(actually Lamar Consolidated High School remodel) another guy fell backwards off of a 6 foot ladder(he was half way up) and had a major TBI. Not sure if he died but from what the general contractor told us...dude was seriously f'd up.

Sad to see something like this happen. Especially with a child involved. I don't think the Rangers or Josh are at fault nor should they feel that way. To think that the family should or could sue(which they might) is kinda wrong IMO. We need to, as a society, get away from lawsuits due to people's own self negligence and throwing themselves in harms way. I doubt the guy knew he'd fall. I mean...who the hell wants to do that? But at the same time, he took a chance. Even if it is the leagal responsibility of the Rangers, it shouldn't be. It would be weird too, in a way, if you can go to a ball park and get crushed in the face with a bat and have no legal recourse but you can lean way out over a railing and be able to take legal action. The bat hitting you isn't intentional. Leaning over a railing is.

 

[rsmath]

To those saying the railing is too short, OSHA recommends/requires railing to be 42 inches high. The railing at this ballpark is 46 inches high.

If that OSHA info is correct, the Rangers ballpark doesn't meet OSHA recommendations/requirements.

An AP story today (Saturday) mentioned Arlington building codes call for railings to be 26 inches and that railing the fan fell over was 33 inches. What should happen at all railings that have a more than 3' drop like fieldlevel ones is to have a 48 inch railing made out of clear plexiglass and sell the first 1-3 rows behind the railing for a reduced "obstructed view" price because it would be like looking at the game though a window. I arrived at 48
inches because it's about 2/3 the height of a fairly typical 6' tall person so it shouldn't be easy to fall over without jumping or climbing.

For another poster's question... Why the gap between the scoreboard and the stands? I haven't seen any article mention it but I would guess that it's needed for air circulation around the videoboards or provides an access to the videoboards for technicians so whole panals of videoboards don't have to be removed in order to fix the videoboards. Who would have thought netting might have to be put up in that gap because it's easy to fall over short railings?