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heavy_hitter
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I finished the 2010 Exquisite Griffey patch "rainbow." Just need to find a copy of the base/75.
Rainbow is complete. Picked up the base Exquisite last week:
Nice! Congrats, heavy_hitter. It must be a great feeling as a collector to complete a mini-set, especially a set as nice as those.
heavy_hitter
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Thanks. I consider myself lucky, especially given the scarcity of the Exquisites. I got great deals on three of the five cards and actually managed to pull the quad patch. The A-Rod combo patch cost me a small fortune, but I figured the cost across all five cards balanced out in the end.
goobmcnasty
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Question on the 1994 Upper Deck Griffey/Mantle Autographs.
Since Upper Deck won't verify any of these are authentic, is there a database somewhere (maybe listed by serial #s ) to help determine the difference between REAL dual autos, and the ones that people forged a second signature on?
Since Upper Deck won't verify any of these are authentic, is there a database somewhere (maybe listed by serial #s ) to help determine the difference between REAL dual autos, and the ones that people forged a second signature on?
I remember reading something that said their database information from the early 90's was lost so it may not be possible to verify by holograms on back which are dual/single auto variations. I could be wrong on this though so if someone has other info please chime in.
I'd say the safest way to go though is a PSA or BGS certified slabbed.
goobmcnasty
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Yeah, when you try to call Upper Deck to verify any of those serial #s , they won't even comment. They won't comment as to why they won't comment.
What I'm thinking is the serial #s on the back correspond to what version they are. The duals that I have seen PSA/DNA certified have serial #s fairly close to eachother.
Example:
1994 UD Griffey autos Serial #s would be 00000 through 01000
1994 UD Mantle autos Serial #s would be 01001 through 02000
1994 UD Dual autos Serial #s would be 02001 through 03000
These #s are no doubt NOT right, but I remember reading somewhere that the authentic duals are certain range of Cert #s . Just trying to find someone who knows what numbers those are.
What I'm thinking is the serial #s on the back correspond to what version they are. The duals that I have seen PSA/DNA certified have serial #s fairly close to eachother.
Example:
1994 UD Griffey autos Serial #s would be 00000 through 01000
1994 UD Mantle autos Serial #s would be 01001 through 02000
1994 UD Dual autos Serial #s would be 02001 through 03000
These #s are no doubt NOT right, but I remember reading somewhere that the authentic duals are certain range of Cert #s . Just trying to find someone who knows what numbers those are.
Joey_peapod
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It isn't possible to verify. JSA and 6 weeks later is the only real way.
Pinbreaker
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Or buy one with the COA that comes with a card..
I bought a raw one that had the COA and then had JSA authenticate it..
I don't think buying one raw that comes with the authenticity card is any sort of authentication measure. I'm pretty sure that both the single signed and dual signed came with identically written certification cards in later releases (apparently Upper Deck had some extras after 1994). To be clear, the singles and dual did not come with any authentication card when pulled from 1994 Upper Deck retail. Also, most people also don't know that the autos were only found in retail that year.
I don't think there is any sequence to the serial numbers relating to single or dual. I've tried looking at these in the past before buying mine, and I couldn't find any correlation. It would be an interesting project if someone wanted to track these over time though, but I don't think there is a correlation, unfortunately.
If you know Griffey's sig, and you know Mantle's sig, it is pretty easy to spot a fake. If you know what to look for in terms of the characteristics of these two signatures, you should be ok. Remember, the guys at JSA or any other certification company are still human, and they look at these characteristics as well.
I don't think there is any sequence to the serial numbers relating to single or dual. I've tried looking at these in the past before buying mine, and I couldn't find any correlation. It would be an interesting project if someone wanted to track these over time though, but I don't think there is a correlation, unfortunately.
If you know Griffey's sig, and you know Mantle's sig, it is pretty easy to spot a fake. If you know what to look for in terms of the characteristics of these two signatures, you should be ok. Remember, the guys at JSA or any other certification company are still human, and they look at these characteristics as well.
Pinbreaker
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Here is my Griffey auto.. When I talked with the guy at Beckett/JSA, he said they won't authenticate the auto's unless they have the COA's..
But do the COA's say whether it is a single or a dual? I've seen a couple of the COA's, and they look exactly the same, from what I remember. I don't think there was any distinction, but I could be wrong. So, how does that help JSA? Also, are you only talking about verifying the duals? It seems completely pointless to authenticate the single autos, since no cards came unsigned.
So I've also heard before that some of the single Mantle autographs were either signed by Griffey later (whether being sent to him by collectors) or signed at shows etc. Those cards are technically real autographs by both players but would not have been authentically issued by Upper Deck as "Dual"
Good point, Sevilist. One way to perhaps try to make sure that you have a legit Griffey signed for that product in 1994 is to look for the "y" in Griffey to come back under Griffey, like it does in mine. I'm pretty sure he stopped doing that after 1994, but he may have done it occasionally after that. I'm in no way saying pinbreaker's is not legit (it is of course legit), but it can be an added way to verify one that is ungraded. It really is a tough card. It's a shame that Upper Deck couldn't simply print the word "Dual" on the dual signed cards.
Joey_peapod
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Between the dual signature and the Peter Max auto this is why I don't collect autos.
Pinbreaker
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When I get home, I'll look at the COA for each..
Noticed that as well but when I did a bit of research on Ebay and google to look at ALL the ones I could find of the SINGLE griffey auto far more did not have the Y come under and just end. Now I'm 100% certain that ALL single Griffey's are legit so I've been using those as a base and it seems that 90% (of what I've seen) do not have his Y going under his name.
This is very interesting to me and I'm hoping if we put all our heads together we can maybe get somewhere!
I have one as well a Dual next time I head to the bank I'll snap a pic of it - I'm almost certain the Y is straight down.
Quick edit: Can anyone confirm if there were any of these issued as "Non Auto'd" versions? If so then we could confirm all single Mantles, and single Griffey's authentic and maybe start comparing the ink colors and autograph styles of the duals. Also signing literally thousands of these things his autograph may have gotten shorter/sloppier in the later signings. I have a couple that are numbered to say 50 and the earlier serial numbers 1-20 look cleaner than say 20-50
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