Had to open up a paypal dispute....

[masonphillip]

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

I too went by the card# in the title (Dillon Gee lot) thinking it would be chrome. No worries though, it was only a few bucks.

What happened there is an error of mine in turbolister. I create 110 Bowman Chrome auctions then mass edit them to turn them into 110 Bowman auctions, it saves a ton of work. I got out the word chrome, changed quantity from 20 to 25 but didn't get the number changed. Like I said, I've had several contact me an issue a refund.

Incidentally, these items weren't overpaid for due to my error.

A lot of 20 just went for $10.88 shipped: [phil:254fqgym]250636681300[/phil:254fqgym]

He bought my lot of 25 for $10.36 shipped: [phil:254fqgym]300427544981[/phil:254fqgym]

It is entirely possible that these could have been relisted and even after fees had a little money made, it is really neither here nor there but just a random thought.

 

[masonphillip]

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

Don't forget he came straight here to drag your name through the mud, too.

Spoken like a true Lawyer. You should seek punitive damages for defamation of character.

Quite honestly, he didn't post a link until it was asked for.

 

[chowell3fan]

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

I too went by the card# in the title (Dillon Gee lot) thinking it would be chrome. No worries though, it was only a few bucks.

What happened there is an error of mine in turbolister. I create 110 Bowman Chrome auctions then mass edit them to turn them into 110 Bowman auctions, it saves a ton of work. I got out the word chrome, changed quantity from 20 to 25 but didn't get the number changed. Like I said, I've had several contact me an issue a refund.

Incidentally, these items weren't overpaid for due to my error.

A lot of 20 just went for $10.88 shipped: [phil:e8tz10so]250636681300[/phil:e8tz10so]

He bought my lot of 25 for $10.36 shipped: [phil:e8tz10so]300427544981[/phil:e8tz10so]

It is entirely possible that these could have been relisted and even after fees had a little money made, it is really neither here nor there but just a random thought.

Errors happen, and being a 6000+positive feedback seller, it's obvious that you would do everything you could to make things right. If i had "overspent" on the lot in question, yeah, i might ask you for a refund, but in my case, it's really not that big a deal. I am not sure I would agree with Jeff's assessment of being niave, but I will say I should have looked for chrome in the title as well as the card #

 

[RZimm11]

So, if I'm reading this right.

You bought an auction that says 2010 Bowman in the title, and in the description, and thought you were getting one over on the the seller by winning what you consider a slightly "mislabeled" auction where you were getting Chrome cards, and now you're upset?

This seems like one of those times where people come on and say they got a "steal" because of the wording in the title.

Either:
#1 You tried to get a steal and lost, so you are in the wrong.
Or
#2 You should have contacted the seller beforehand and got clarification on what the cards were.

Also, you shouldn't open paypal disputes without contacting the seller and giving him time to respond. Just opening cases now goes on permanent records which can really harm people's accounts.

 

[masonphillip]

Also, you shouldn't open paypal disputes without contacting the seller and giving him time to respond. Just opening cases now goes on permanent records which can really harm people's accounts.

This is pretty much what sucks about it.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Again, to the original poster:

What if it was, instead of BP5, listed as BP1? Would you expect a lot of 10 Strasburgs?

 

[pigskincardboard]

So, if I'm reading this right.

You bought an auction that says 2010 Bowman in the title, and in the description, and thought you were getting one over on the the seller by winning what you consider a slightly "mislabeled" auction where you were getting Chrome cards, and now you're upset?

This seems like one of those times where people come on and say they got a "steal" because of the wording in the title.

Either:
#1 You tried to get a steal and lost, so you are in the wrong.
Or
#2 You should have contacted the seller beforehand and got clarification on what the cards were.

Also, you shouldn't open paypal disputes without contacting the seller and giving him time to respond. Just opening cases now goes on permanent records which can really harm people's accounts.

Jump on this guy for the paypal dispute, not the cards.

If the title says you're buying a card numbered BCP5 and you get a card labeled BP5, you are not in the wrong.

The card number takes priority, regardless. It's the distinguishing mark on the card and would take priority over even, "20x Bowman Chrome Andrew Cashner."

If you were to buy a camera with different feature sets, but essentially the same camera, the Model Number would take priority unless it was explicitly stated in the description. 2010 Bowman is merely the name of the product and the exclusion of "chrome" does nothing to substantiate the cards being "base bowman."

I understand where the buyer is coming from because I'll often slow my spending on certain cards after placing a winning bid. I have no clue what availability is like now, but not only do you generally lose your original item but also opportunity to bid on future items.

As for the dispute, sometimes it gets peoples attention if they're just being dicks. In this case, it was just a mistake but I'm sure the buyer was less than pleased. He should've given you at least 2 days to respond.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Again, to the original poster:

What if it was, instead of BP5, listed as BP1? Would you expect a lot of 10 Strasburgs?

Jeff, you know damn well that if an auction is listed at Andrew Cashner BP#1 2010 Bowman, the buyer could do whatever he wants, especially if the description says "see title."

If the buyer received the item and it was not BP1, he could easily ask for a return stating that he only collects cards labeled one in the set.

Mislabeled products are the responsibility of the seller, not the buyer. To avoid this a simple "checklist subject to change w/o notice" and a description of the exact item would pretty much negate any screw ups on the seller's part.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I find it interesting that the OP hasn't come back here to comment.

 

[pigskincardboard]

I find it interesting that the OP hasn't come back here to comment.

He was getting owned by you guys. :/

 

[masonphillip]

I find it interesting that the OP hasn't come back here to comment.

He was getting owned by you guys. :/

He sent me an apology through eBay messages. I truly don't think he knew that it was a permanent mark on my record.

 

[t3dudek]

I thought i posted this hours ago guess it never showed up.

But since then me n mason have settled this.

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

The card was numbered BCP that is why i bid on it i didnt think that i had to ask about it being a Chrome or regular. i looked at the fact you where selling many lots an thought that he was a reputable dealer an knew the difference between the 2. I thought i scored a good deal on the lot but also alot of the bowman chrome cashner's have dropped in price down to that level.

The person who said chromes are always in lots of 20. I just thought maybe he opened up his cases had 25 cashners so why not sell all 25 in one lot then a lot of 20 an a lot 5.

I opened the ebay dispute because i have had cases that the other person doesnt answer back for several days so just did it sorry. That is my fault.

Don't forget he came straight here to drag your name through the mud, too.

an i didnt come straight out an say this person did it dont ever go an buy from him on ebay ever again. In the original post i didnt give the ebay page only after 2 ppl asked for it did i.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I thought i posted this hours ago guess it never showed up.

But since then me n mason have settled this.

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

The card was numbered BCP that is why i bid on it i didnt think that i had to ask about it being a Chrome or regular. i looked at the fact you where selling many lots an thought that he was a reputable dealer an knew the difference between the 2. I thought i scored a good deal on the lot but also alot of the bowman chrome cashner's have dropped in price down to that level.

The person who said chromes are always in lots of 20. I just thought maybe he opened up his cases had 25 cashners so why not sell all 25 in one lot then a lot of 20 an a lot 5.

I opened the ebay dispute because i have had cases that the other person doesnt answer back for several days so just did it sorry. That is my fault.

[quote:3nts5pu1]Don't forget he came straight here to drag your name through the mud, too.

an i didnt come straight out an say this person did it dont ever go an buy from him on ebay ever again. In the original post i didnt give the ebay page only after 2 ppl asked for it did i.[/quote:3nts5pu1]

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?

 

[jbhofmann]

I thought i posted this hours ago guess it never showed up.

But since then me n mason have settled this.

It was a mistake on my part to put BCP5 in the auction title, there is no doubt about it.

That being said, the title does not say chrome in it, its being sold in a lot of 25 and the price it would won at should indicate what it was, but like I said, I can see how it would be a little confusing (although I was selling 20 ct lots with chrome in the title at the same time).

I've refunded two other buyers who thought they were getting the chromes too, I have no problem doing it, it was my mistake.

That being said, here is what pisses me off about this. He opened a case at the exact same time the email was sent. Of course the way it looks to paypal is that I haven't been working with him or responding to him, this is what he marked, when in reality, he got a refund less than 15 minutes after he sent the email.

At least give me a chance to make this right before you go straight to paypal.

The card was numbered BCP that is why i bid on it i didnt think that i had to ask about it being a Chrome or regular. i looked at the fact you where selling many lots an thought that he was a reputable dealer an knew the difference between the 2. I thought i scored a good deal on the lot but also alot of the bowman chrome cashner's have dropped in price down to that level.

The person who said chromes are always in lots of 20. I just thought maybe he opened up his cases had 25 cashners so why not sell all 25 in one lot then a lot of 20 an a lot 5.

I opened the ebay dispute because i have had cases that the other person doesnt answer back for several days so just did it sorry. That is my fault.

[quote:3f60kpfw]Don't forget he came straight here to drag your name through the mud, too.

an i didnt come straight out an say this person did it dont ever go an buy from him on ebay ever again. In the original post i didnt give the ebay page only after 2 ppl asked for it did i.

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?[/quote:3f60kpfw]

I would expect Strasburgs myself. StrasbErg doesn't have the same upside. People make mistakes lets move on.

 

[t3dudek]

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner Chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner non-chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP RC LOT

I would expect the seller to list which 25 cards where in the lot lol :lol:

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Stephen Strasburg RC Lot

i would of been bidding on 25 regular bowman Strasburg's



Hope that clears all those up for you Jeff....

Now i think this thread is dead.

 

[cgilmo]

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner Chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner non-chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP RC LOT

I would expect the seller to list which 25 cards where in the lot lol :lol:

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Stephen Strasburg RC Lot

i would of been bidding on 25 regular bowman Strasburg's



Hope that clears all those up for you Jeff....

Now i think this thread is dead.

not been around here much huh?


Just when you think threads are dead, they explode with a vengeance.

 

[t3dudek]

been around multiple times a day since i joined. I know threads come back to life out of no where. I bring alot of threads back to life. Just look at the wheeler one i bring it back once a day atleast.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner Chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner non-chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP RC LOT

I would expect the seller to list which 25 cards where in the lot lol :lol:

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Stephen Strasburg RC Lot

i would of been bidding on 25 regular bowman Strasburg's



Hope that clears all those up for you Jeff....

Now i think this thread is dead.

Nope. Never answered my question. If the title said 25 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC lot

what do you expect to get?

 

[Bornagaincollector]

If you got a refund,i would think you would send the cards back to the seller!

 

[Casebusters]

And would you have expected Strasbergs if the title said BP1 rather than BP5?

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner Chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC Lot

I would expect 25 Andrew Cashner non-chromes

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BCP RC LOT

I would expect the seller to list which 25 cards where in the lot lol :lol:

If the title said (25) 2010 Bowman BP1 Stephen Strasburg RC Lot

i would of been bidding on 25 regular bowman Strasburg's



Hope that clears all those up for you Jeff....

Now i think this thread is dead.

Nope. Never answered my question. If the title said 25 2010 Bowman BP1 Andrew Cashner RC lot

what do you expect to get?

Not saying OP is right or Seller is wrong, Just on what others are saying about the number.
What if you needed BPC1 to complete your set and you didnt have a checklist, Title in auction says 2010 Bowman BPC1 Cashner,
what card would you expect to get?