Has David Ortiz gone from Lovable to huge d-bag?

[bmp1971]

Undetectable steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroids!

Papi hit .688 in the World Series and won the MVP because the guy is a beast and you don't want to admit it.

Papi's enemies will whine about whether or not he used PEDs back in 2004 prob as long as they remember Big Papi, but however much any PEDs helped him earlier on in his career, he's clearly proven himself as a BOSS on the field ever since.

Most fans outside of Boston can't handle Papi because all he does is beat your team.

 

[elmalo]

Papi hit .688 in the World Series and won the MVP because the guy is a beast and you don't want to admit it.

Papi's enemies will whine about whether or not he used PEDs back in 2004 prob as long as they remember Big Papi, but however much any PEDs helped him earlier on in his career, he's clearly proven himself as a BOSS on the field ever since.

Most fans outside of Boston can't handle Papi because all he does is beat your team.

That is assuming that he stopped taking whatever it was that he was taking.

 

[jcmint]

Anabolic steroids were always against the law and certainly not meant for athlete consumption but for race horses.
i never had any respect for him or manny for that fact. If you pitched even a tad inside they would give a state or over exaggerate every pitch slightly inside and heavens forbid they got brushed. The flip and pose maybe bonds look silly and that was hard to do and bonds hit 70

ortiz will never sniff the hall of fame
voters will never overlook the steroids legal by baseball or not no baseball rules supercede state or federal laws.

 

[jcmint]

Just like bonds mcgwire and ire and sosas had nothing to do with their success. Lol someone is drinking the coolaid

Do you think Ortiz hitting .688 in the 2013 World Series (against outstanding pitching) and his subsequent MVP award is attributed to steroids?

The guy is a beast. Accept it. Steroids has nothing to do with it.

 

[hive17]

I guess I always gave Papi a pass because he was standing nect to Manny. EVERYONE looks like a nice guy standing next to that ******.

But my biggest problem was that April/May/June were filled with stories about how Carlos Gomez is some sort of problem, but no one said **** about Ortiz. They both may have pimped their shots (Papi definately), but GoGo would make it around the basepath at 2X the speed, documented. But because Papi is "untouchable" and GoGo stands up to people when they jaw at him, GoGo is the ******* and Papi just has "fun with it". ********...

 

[elmalo]

Anabolic steroids were always against the law and certainly not meant for athlete consumption but for race horses.
i never had any respect for him or manny for that fact. If you pitched even a tad inside they would give a state or over exaggerate every pitch slightly inside and heavens forbid they got brushed. The flip and pose maybe bonds look silly and that was hard to do and bonds hit 70

ortiz will never sniff the hall of fame
voters will never overlook the steroids legal by baseball or not no baseball rules supercede state or federal laws.

Actually, no, they were designed for humans and were not illegal until 1990 when they were classified as a controlled substance.

 

[bmp1971]

I guess I always gave Papi a pass because he was standing nect to Manny. EVERYONE looks like a nice guy standing next to that ******.

But my biggest problem was that April/May/June were filled with stories about how Carlos Gomez is some sort of problem, but no one said **** about Ortiz. They both may have pimped their shots (Papi definately), but GoGo would make it around the basepath at 2X the speed, documented. But because Papi is "untouchable" and GoGo stands up to people when they jaw at him, GoGo is the ******* and Papi just has "fun with it". ********...

Because Gomez hit a "no-doubter" that didn't leave the park. You don't stare at your double.

 

[hive17]

Because Gomez hit a "no-doubter" that didn't leave the park. You don't stare at your double.

He thought it would be gone, then thought it would be caught, then made a positive play out of it.

So, you're fine with your double-standard. Good to know. Papi would have been thrown out at 1st base in that same situation.

 

[bmp1971]

He thought it would be gone, then thought it would be caught, then made a positive play out of it.

So, you're fine with your double-standard. Good to know. Papi would have been thrown out at 1st base in that same situation.

"Would have been" never was. That is the key difference, hive. Papi won the game with that swing. Gomez only started a fight. Therefore, it's not a double-standard when the one results in what it did for Gomez, and I like Gomez, and the other wins the game because it was a bomb.

As I mentioned earlier, Papi didn't show-boat it on that bat toss, he was just pumped, and far less pumped than I've seem Archer at times when he displays his own flamboyance and stares people (*Nava*) down after he strikes them out. That's bush and prob what instigated Papi to be more emotional.

 

[hive17]

"Would have been" never was. That is the key difference, hive. Papi won the game with that swing. Gomez only started a fight. Therefore, it's not a double-standard when the one results in what it did for Gomez, and I like Gomez, and the other wins the game because it was a bomb.

As I mentioned earlier, Papi didn't show-boat it on that bat toss, he was just pumped, and far less pumped than I've seem Archer at times when he displays his own flamboyance and stares people (*Nava*) down after he strikes them out. That's bush and prob what instigated Papi to be more emotional.

If you want to pretend this is just about 1 issue with Ortiz and 1 issue with Gomez, have your willful ignorance.

Meanwhile, I patiently await your defense of Gomez during the McCann altercation...

 

[bmp1971]

If you want to pretend this is just about 1 issue with Ortiz and 1 issue with Gomez, have your willful ignorance.

Meanwhile, I patiently await your defense of Gomez during the McCann altercation...

As usual, it was a payback to the Braves and Maholm for apparently intentionally hitting him in June for no fault of his own. Either way, he apologized for going over the top. I don't need to defend anything there. I'm not defending Gomez, you are, or, were.

 

[hive17]

As usual, it was a payback to the Braves and Maholm for apparently intentionally hitting him in June for no fault of his own. Either way, he apologized for going over the top. I don't need to defend anything there. I'm not defending Gomez, you are, or, were.

I'm not defending Gomez. I'm pointing out that when Gomez "pimps" a homerun, it doesn't get played off, even though he hustles afterward.

You prefer Papi slowly dragging himself around the bases after a homerun, calling it emotion. I prefer hustle. The media has been quiet for years when Papi does it, but they couldn't wait to jump on Gomez for "emotion" or whatever. Hypocrites, one and all.

 

[bmp1971]

I'm not defending Gomez. I'm pointing out that when Gomez "pimps" a homerun, it doesn't get played off, even though he hustles afterward.

You prefer Papi slowly dragging himself around the bases after a homerun, calling it emotion. I prefer hustle. The media has been quiet for years when Papi does it, but they couldn't wait to jump on Gomez for "emotion" or whatever. Hypocrites, one and all.

I think there is a small difference in their actions relating to the situations mentioned. That's all. If you don't agree, I respect that and understand why you'd think that.

FTR: I'm not in favor of Papi being a ****** pepper with that slow trot, but the man just ain't built for speed. In a full sprint, the guy might only go twice as fast!

Anyway, emotion gets the better of these guys. Hating on any of these guys just isn't called for. Some go over the top and admit it, and some, like Papi, like to push things a bit further than most others prob would. Why? Prob tied into Price hitting him, or people talking s--t about him.

I think Archer talking s--t is more laughable than what Papi did-- which ultimately won the game for Boston.

 

[Super Mario]

Gomez is a tool. Papi is a tool.

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[bmp1971]

just saw Jimmy Nelson super auto pulled from 2013 BC

 

[vwnut13]

I guess I always gave Papi a pass because he was standing nect to Manny. EVERYONE looks like a nice guy standing next to that ******.

But my biggest problem was that April/May/June were filled with stories about how Carlos Gomez is some sort of problem, but no one said **** about Ortiz. They both may have pimped their shots (Papi definately), but GoGo would make it around the basepath at 2X the speed, documented. But because Papi is "untouchable" and GoGo stands up to people when they jaw at him, GoGo is the ******* and Papi just has "fun with it". ********...

Oh, trust me, I was going to make a post about Ortiz in those threads, but figured I would be attacked if I mentioned the lovable, huggable, teddy bear.

 

[jcmint]

Always iilegal meaning during Ortiz playing years
winnyv premo deca cop etc were all made for race horses and came from Mexico

Actually, no, they were designed for humans and were not illegal until 1990 when they were classified as a controlled substance.

 

[elmalo]

Always iilegal meaning during Ortiz playing years
winnyv premo deca cop etc were all made for race horses and came from Mexico

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[hive17]

Gomez is a tool. Papi is a tool.

Why can't we all just get along?

Regardless of pitching, would you take a team (AL with DH) of 9 Carlos Gomez's or 9 David Ortiz's?

 

[Super Mario]

Regardless of pitching, would you take a team (AL with DH) of 9 Carlos Gomez's or 9 David Ortiz's?

Gomez. Because he actually plays baseball.