Hey Cal Ripken Jr Collectors, what do you think about this?

[Mozzie22]

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Thanks, I stopped reading at "is a broken English phrase that became an Internet phenomenon."

 

[mwheeler27]

Here's what I know, son.

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why.................................

Son? Come on now Jeff, I'll assume that your kids have respect for you (they're still young enough) than I do.

As far as your crap points list...let's go one by one shall we?

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.
Yes, but counselor we aren't talking about Topps are we? A monkey with an ice pick jabbed in his eye socket could easily find examples of items from Topps having their authenticity questioned. Yet even a self-perceived master sleuth such as yourself can't find one example from ITG in their long history.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.
So by this broad, sweeping generalization, we could assume that all attorneys are lying thieves who care about nothing other than themselves and their bank accounts with no respect for the law or those lives that they ruin.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.
Yes, another great generalization and crazy conclusion. Because something is "not easy" it must be impossible and therefore not have been done. Well done counselor.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.
Yes, hold different standards for different companies. Where are you chiming in so vocally questioning every single "game-used" item from everyone? Oh, wait...you aren't.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.
No proven background? 21 years in the industry with never being questioned about authenticity screams a more "proven background" than either Topps or Upper Deck who each have items come into question every year.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.
I didn't jump to a single conclusion Jeff, spin away nutjob, spin away. Attacking people? Sure, when needed. You? When needed. Having doubts is very different that your claims about "nothing to lose" - my main point of contention.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...
While I agree that the hobby is riddled with shadiness (there was a lot of shadiness with a former BMB member who was a big time Phillies fan who lived in Florida if I recall...can't remember the username though), applying shadiness when there isn't a shred of evidence is a joke. As far as "what you've seen", again with the legendary hobby status? Seriously? Come on, I've been in this hobby long enough to know the ugliness...even perhaps to the 11th degree...just like Nigel's amp in Spinal Tap.

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why.................................
I am protective of ITG, very protective. Why? They are one of the hobby's few good guys who do it for the right reasons and always have. You know nothing about the company, their history or their staff...I do. As far as the dangle there assuming ulterior motives, guess away Jeff, guess away.

Very, very well said! You have been thanked.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Here's what I know, son.

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.

3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.

4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.

5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.

6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.

7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...

8) You're awfully protective of ITG. Gee, I wonder why................................. [/quote]
Son? Come on now Jeff, I'll assume that your kids have respect for you (they're still young enough) than I do.

mature.

As far as your crap points list...let's go one by one shall we?

mature.

1) Topps commonly mislabels or outright lies about game used memorabilia players as low as a football kicker and as high as an Honus Wagner jersey and can't tell the difference between a bench and a bat.
Yes, but counselor we aren't talking about Topps are we? A monkey with an ice pick jabbed in his eye socket could easily find examples of items from Topps having their authenticity questioned. Yet even a self-perceived master sleuth such as yourself can't find one example from ITG in their long history.

A) I haven't looked. B) I don't care. C) Whenever I see a rare piece of memorabilia slapped on a card, I have doubts - whether it be Topps, Fleer, ITG, UD, Panini, Score, Pinnacle, Donruss, Razor, Action Packed, Pro Set, or whomever.

2) If Topps will "make mistakes" or have "improper authentication", ANYONE can have improper authentication or make mistakes.
So by this broad, sweeping generalization, we could assume that all attorneys are lying thieves who care about nothing other than themselves and their bank accounts with no respect for the law or those lives that they ruin.

I'm talking about basbeall cards. I'mnot taking this to a personal level. Very mature, though.
3) It's not easy to authenticate a 40+++ year old bat.
Yes, another great generalization and crazy conclusion. Because something is "not easy" it must be impossible and therefore not have been done. Well done counselor.

I didn't say that. I said that it's not easy. If there was authentication from the Clemente Foundation, and there very well may be, then any doubt I had would go away.
4) There is no authentication offered about the bat.
Yes, hold different standards for different companies. Where are you chiming in so vocally questioning every single "game-used" item from everyone? Oh, wait...you aren't.

Sure I am. I posted above that this is the main reason why I don't own any game used memorabilia cards. If there was authentication from the Clemente Foundation, there'd be little issue.
5) All I said is that I have doubts about it, especially coming from a company with no proven background.
No proven background? 21 years in the industry with never being questioned about authenticity screams a more "proven background" than either Topps or Upper Deck who each have items come into question every year.
Not in the baseball industry. Completely different ballgame.
6) You have a serious issue with jumping to conclusions. And a serious issue, period, about attacking people. Maybe it's just me. Someone up in the thread indicated they had doubts about the bat too. Jump down his throat.
I didn't jump to a single conclusion Jeff, spin away nutjob, spin away. Attacking people? Sure, when needed. You? When needed. Having doubts is very different that your claims about "nothing to lose" - my main point of contention.

It's sad that you can't have a single discussion about a BASEBALL CARD PRODUCT . . . yes, we're talking about baseball cards, without making numerous personal attacks. You're in your 30s, right? sad.
7) As I said, when opportunity presents itself in this hobby, one can usually find shady dealings in just about every avenue. Trust no one. I've seen more than I care to know, and Gilmore can attest to what I've seen to the 10th degree...
While I agree that the hobby is riddled with shadiness (there was a lot of shadiness with a former BMB member who was a big time Phillies fan who lived in Florida if I recall...can't remember the username though), applying shadiness when there isn't a shred of evidence is a joke. As far as "what you've seen", again with the legendary hobby status? Seriously? Come on, I've been in this hobby long enough to know the ugliness...even perhaps to the 11th degree...just like Nigel's amp in Spinal Tap.
No legendary hobby status whatsoever. I don't think I have any. I've just been in this hobby for 30 years and seen a lot. Thats all. As for the Honyltd issue... I made that point above.


Have a swell day.

 

[mwheeler27]

Yawn.

As per the words of our respected leader, I'm not responding to your attack.

But... yawn.

Hmm...What happened to this?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Yawn.

As per the words of our respected leader, I'm not responding to your attack.

But... yawn.

Hmm...What happened to this?

I spoke with our respected leader.