How did Razor do it?

[Bob Loblaw]

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Use it.

What's up your ass?

I thought it would make for interesting conversation.

Furthermore, there are some on here who know more than I do about Brian's dealings. See above.

You create thread after thread and post after post regarding rumors and unsubstantiated statements about Razor. There is no better source than the horse's mouth.

Jeff, I think JP's response is more about kind of how things have went in the past with your threads and participation in threads about Razor, not necessarily this thread in particular.

I think the real question here from a hobby perspective is not how did Razor do it? But more of, if Razor can do this, for all these players, why can't DLP and Topps not do it?[/quote:25k5nvqp]


Which is exactly where I planning on going with this, Phil. I was curious as to how Brian did it - whether he hopped planes to their homes, to winter leagues, etc.

If anything, I intended this thread to turn into a positive one for Razor. Unfortunately some people won't let that happen.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

maybe the players only autographed one card and then the rest are just photocopies.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

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Use it.

What's up your ass?

I thought it would make for interesting conversation.

Furthermore, there are some on here who know more than I do about Brian's dealings. See above.

You create thread after thread and post after post regarding rumors and unsubstantiated statements regarding Razor. There is no better source than the horse's mouth.

I do? Show me 2. I mentioned one thing in a box break, and it was because Skrip's dealer said the same thing.

This was a direct question for discussion from those who know -- Brian, Chris, and others. This has nothing to do with rumor and unsubstantiated statement.

Jeez.[/quote:3tzx4r5d]



Typical Jeff being Jeff. Indirectly push buttons and make comments on the sly, get called on it and immediately claim innocence and make excuses. Pretty sad and pathetic. But I see it's true a zebra won't ever change it's stripes.[/quote:3tzx4r5d]

What the **** are you talking about?

 

[braden]

Babe Ruth's nurse signed all of them.

 

[Jaypers]

If anything, I intended this thread to turn into a positive one for Razor. Unfortunately some people won't let that happen.

If true, then an apology is in order.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

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You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

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If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

[quote="Jeff N.":1nlui91u]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

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You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

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If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.[/quote:1nlui91u]

Your dealers aren't the only ones spreading this rumor.

 

[cgilmo]

[quote="Jeff N.":v80kp4rt]

[quote="Jeff N.":v80kp4rt]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.[/quote:v80kp4rt]

Your dealers aren't the only ones spreading this rumor.[/quote:v80kp4rt]


this "rumor" isnt an acceptable topic for this board. I don't want to get on the subject of something that can't be affirmed or rebutted when the very accusation is damaging to both UD and Razor. Let's save the bashing for when something can be directly proven beyond the level of conspiracy theory.

 

[rico08]

I think the reason Razor can do this and Topps and the rest have problems is simple:

Razor can focus on one brand, one product at a time. Razor produces in one sport while Topps/UD/DLP are spread out over several products and multiple sports. Razor is also dealing with 100% minor league players instead of a bunch of Major League egotistical maniacs. On top of that, collectors got complacent with the stickers and the companies took advantage of it.

Looking forward, however, I like what I'm seeing. Ultimate Collection baseball is supposed to be all on-card autographs. Now let's just see what happens for other products in 2009.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I think the reason Razor can do this and Topps and the rest have problems is simple:

Razor can focus on one brand, one product at a time. Razor produces in one sport while Topps/UD/DLP are spread out over several products and multiple sports. Razor is also dealing with 100% minor league players instead of a bunch of Major League egotistical maniacs. On top of that, collectors got complacent with the stickers and the companies took advantage of it.

Looking forward, however, I like what I'm seeing. Ultimate Collection baseball is supposed to be all on-card autographs. Now let's just see what happens for other products in 2009.

Topps and Donruss have a big enough personnel department to where they can assign one person, or one group of people, to minor league/prospects... or, for Topps: Bowman Autograph coordinator; for Donruss: Elite autograph coordinator.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":20kqas4h]

[quote="Jeff N.":20kqas4h]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.

Your dealers aren't the only ones spreading this rumor.[/quote:20kqas4h]


this "rumor" isnt an acceptable topic for this board. I don't want to get on the subject of something that can't be affirmed or rebutted when the very accusation is damaging to both UD and Razor. Let's save the bashing for when something can be directly proven beyond the level of conspiracy theory.[/quote:20kqas4h]

Moderators probably shouldn't be bringing it up, then.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="Mighty Bombjack":11jm1otx][quote="Jeff N.":11jm1otx]

[quote="Jeff N.":11jm1otx]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.

Your dealers aren't the only ones spreading this rumor.[/quote:11jm1otx]


this "rumor" isnt an acceptable topic for this board. I don't want to get on the subject of something that can't be affirmed or rebutted when the very accusation is damaging to both UD and Razor. Let's save the bashing for when something can be directly proven beyond the level of conspiracy theory.[/quote:11jm1otx]

Moderators probably shouldn't be bringing it up, then.[/quote:11jm1otx]

It was sarcasm, so relax Mr. Martyr.

You brought up a good topic, but you also could have just emailed or called Brian for the info too. Considering how you are 99.9% of the time, people expect you to try and instigate something.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

I think the reason Razor can do this and Topps and the rest have problems is simple:

Razor can focus on one brand, one product at a time. Razor produces in one sport while Topps/UD/DLP are spread out over several products and multiple sports. Razor is also dealing with 100% minor league players instead of a bunch of Major League egotistical maniacs. On top of that, collectors got complacent with the stickers and the companies took advantage of it.

Looking forward, however, I like what I'm seeing. Ultimate Collection baseball is supposed to be all on-card autographs. Now let's just see what happens for other products in 2009.

Topps and Donruss have a big enough personnel department to where they can assign one person, or one group of people, to minor league/prospects... or, for Topps: Bowman Autograph coordinator; for Donruss: Elite autograph coordinator.

Rico makes a good point.

Aren't Bowman autos on-card? I don't prospect...

 

[sportscardtheory]

That whole "Razor backed by Upper Deck" thing is so stupid... why would UD use ANOTHER company to accomplish something that they could just do THEMSELVES.

 

[rico08]

If I'm correct, a Bowman Chrome baseball autograph has never seen a sticker; other sports haven't been so fortunate.

Jeff, how do you know Topps and Donruss have a big enough personnel dept? We already know they don't witness every autograph in person. It is way more cost effective to print out a sheet of stickers and mail it to an athlete. It gives companies time to print the cards and they can use the sheets all year.

By and large, collectors have spoken and they don't want to see stickers anymore--Razor just happened to be the first company to release a product with an auto checklist of more than 20 players and have all the signatures be on card.

[quote="Jeff N.":1ipi5u3v]

Topps and Donruss have a big enough personnel department to where they can assign one person, or one group of people, to minor league/prospects... or, for Topps: Bowman Autograph coordinator; for Donruss: Elite autograph coordinator.

Rico makes a good point.

Aren't Bowman autos on-card? I don't prospect...[/quote:1ipi5u3v]

 

[Gellman]

That whole "Razor backed by Upper Deck" thing is so stupid... why would UD use ANOTHER company to accomplish something that they could just do THEMSELVES.

Yeah, I gotta agree with this, there is no way that Upper Deck helps out a competitor, even if they are not directly competing, even though Razor is directly competing with topps.

The enemy of my enemy thing wouldnt work as well here.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

That whole "Razor backed by Upper Deck" thing is so stupid... why would UD use ANOTHER company to accomplish something that they could just do THEMSELVES.

MLB might not look too kindly on UD putting out an unlisensed product alongside their licensed ones. Besides, what I've heard is not that UD "owns" Razor, but that they are giving them some financial backing in order to weaken their main competitor's stronghold EDIT TO ADD with some possible beneficial use of contractual rights for players down the road.

Sorry to harp on it, cgilmo, but unsubstantiated or not, this stuff is part of our hobby. Further, I personally don't view it as damaging to either company, nor do I consider it a "conspiracy."

 

[Jaypers]

MLB might not look too kindly on UD putting out an unlisensed product alongside their licensed ones.

USA?

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

MLB might not look too kindly on UD putting out an unlisensed product alongside their licensed ones.

USA?

That's licensed by USA baseball.

 

[cgilmo]

That whole "Razor backed by Upper Deck" thing is so stupid... why would UD use ANOTHER company to accomplish something that they could just do THEMSELVES.

MLB might not look too kindly on UD putting out an unlisensed product alongside their licensed ones. Besides, what I've heard is not that UD "owns" Razor, but that they are giving them some financial backing in order to weaken their main competitor's stronghold EDIT TO ADD with some possible beneficial use of contractual rights for players down the road.

Sorry to harp on it, cgilmo, but unsubstantiated or not, this stuff is part of our hobby. Further, I personally don't view it as damaging to either company, nor do I consider it a "conspiracy."

Can you prove or disprove or really add anything to the discussion other than what you heard second or third hand?