How did Razor do it?

[200lbhockeyplayer]

They bought USA cards and cut them up. The players didn't sign for them.

I am completely aware that the players did not sign directly for Tristar, however they acquired them and inserted them. Also, not all were from USA cards, the closed Tim Beckham Tristar autograph #/50 was signed in ball point pen...probably 3 X 5.

If this is how easy it is for Tristar to release their autographs, what is to stop Tristar from acquiring a slew of 3 X 5s, or similar flat pieces? Tristar's lack of a soul certainly would consider including virtually any flat piece with an autograph, no matter how gaudy or illegible.

I don't think anything will stop Tristar from acquiring anything. I'm surprised they didn't get balls and do a sweet spot type of release.
What does Razor do to make it impossible for tristar to pick up items from the secondary market?

Hence me questioning the "exclusive" nature of these contracts.

 

[justinmandawg]

They bought USA cards and cut them up. The players didn't sign for them.

I am completely aware that the players did not sign directly for Tristar, however they acquired them and inserted them. Also, not all were from USA cards, the closed Tim Beckham Tristar autograph #/50 was signed in ball point pen...probably 3 X 5.

If this is how easy it is for Tristar to release their autographs, what is to stop Tristar from acquiring a slew of 3 X 5s, or similar flat pieces? Tristar's lack of a soul certainly would consider including virtually any flat piece with an autograph, no matter how gaudy or illegible.

I don't think anything will stop Tristar from acquiring anything. I'm surprised they didn't get balls and do a sweet spot type of release.
What does Razor do to make it impossible for tristar to pick up items from the secondary market?

Hence me questioning the "exclusive" nature of these contracts.

What they signed in the past has nothing to do w/ the current contract. They are also allowed to sign for fans at games so far as I understand.

It gives me a headache.

 

[All In Cards]

I think they can appear in MILB sets as in Tristar. They can also appear in team released sets. They just can't have auto's or game used in these sets.

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

I think they can appear in MILB sets as in Tristar. They can also appear in team released sets. They just can't have auto's or game used in these sets.

the players can have autos they just cant sign for the company

 

[justinmandawg]

The difference between razor autos and tristar autos are the prices on the secondary market. There are only 5 brett wallace autos in tristar but yet his autos were a key marketing point of the product. Same with Tim Beckham being on the product box itself and the inclusion of all of 40-50 of his autograph.

 

[predatorkj]

I got an email last week from Edgeman, they are one of my distributors. The email stated that as of 12/31/08 they are closing their doors.

The reason they are closing is so Brian can take care of Razor full time. The email also stated that Brian has wanted to be a card manufacture for a while now.

I know I will miss my dealings with Edgeman but have been told my rep has a new job already in place at another distributor.


For those that don't know, Edgeman is a pretty big distributor. They carry everything. Just take a look at their site when you get a chance.

That blows...I guess my buddy will have to go through another distributor now.He buys everything through edgemans and usually gives me good deals because he can pass along his good deals.

 

[Weatherwarrior]

For the folks that said that 99.9% of razor sales came from this board shows general ignorance i believe. There are 1200 members of this board probably 66.6% are into buying or picking up prospects of that 66% a good majority are true "Chromies" (nothing wrong with it I love chrome) But would never bust this stuff. So I would estimate only a handful of those say 33.3% are on here supporting and enjoying the product Razor put out! Of that Final 33% How many people actually bought cases? I know I did but I bought direct from my local shop where he sold several cases to individuals looking to bust the product to get local Hurricane players in it (weeks, Alonso, Raben) But this product has done fairly well outside of the FCB boards.

And If I am not mistaken the "exclusive" contract states No card manufacturer can make a card with player in a MLB Uniform until a certain period is reached. the fact that Tristar has bought (cut Sig) cards of players like Beckham and wallace means they didn't break the exclusivity of the contract they just found a loophole.

 

[justinmandawg]

Less than 100 cases were bought by this board total. That is just over 5% of the total print run.

 

[Therion]

Didn't Upper Deck make cards of players that Topps had an exclusive contract with and a court ruled that UD could still produce them?

 

[Weatherwarrior]

Less than 100 cases were bought by this board total. That is just over 5% of the total print run.

+1

I bought a case and loved it and I am sitting on 3 cases.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

They bought USA cards and cut them up. The players didn't sign for them.

I am completely aware that the players did not sign directly for Tristar, however they acquired them and inserted them. Also, not all were from USA cards, the closed Tim Beckham Tristar autograph #/50 was signed in ball point pen...probably 3 X 5.

If this is how easy it is for Tristar to release their autographs, what is to stop Tristar from acquiring a slew of 3 X 5s, or similar flat pieces? Tristar's lack of a soul certainly would consider including virtually any flat piece with an autograph, no matter how gaudy or illegible.

I don't think anything will stop Tristar from acquiring anything. I'm surprised they didn't get balls and do a sweet spot type of release.
What does Razor do to make it impossible for tristar to pick up items from the secondary market?

Hence me questioning the "exclusive" nature of these contracts.

What they signed in the past has nothing to do w/ the current contract. They are also allowed to sign for fans at games so far as I understand.

It gives me a headache.

back when this started, i asked Brian specifically if his exclusivity of Tim Beckham was just for auto'd cards, and insert cards, or BASE cards as well.

This was brought up because people were debating the words, insert and base, as topps no longer considered 'prospect' cards to be 'base' cards on a base checklist.

Brian flat out said NO TIM BECKHAM cards could be produced by anyone by Razor. Razor had the exclusive rights to his image usage.

This was obviously disproven.

 

[justinmandawg]

[quote="justinmandawg":279sgb2p]


They bought USA cards and cut them up. The players didn't sign for them.

I am completely aware that the players did not sign directly for Tristar, however they acquired them and inserted them. Also, not all were from USA cards, the closed Tim Beckham Tristar autograph #/50 was signed in ball point pen...probably 3 X 5.

If this is how easy it is for Tristar to release their autographs, what is to stop Tristar from acquiring a slew of 3 X 5s, or similar flat pieces? Tristar's lack of a soul certainly would consider including virtually any flat piece with an autograph, no matter how gaudy or illegible.

I don't think anything will stop Tristar from acquiring anything. I'm surprised they didn't get balls and do a sweet spot type of release.
What does Razor do to make it impossible for tristar to pick up items from the secondary market?

Hence me questioning the "exclusive" nature of these contracts.

What they signed in the past has nothing to do w/ the current contract. They are also allowed to sign for fans at games so far as I understand.

It gives me a headache.

back when this started, i asked Brian specifically if his exclusivity of Tim Beckham was just for auto'd cards, and insert cards, or BASE cards as well.

This was brought up because people were debating the words, insert and base, as topps no longer considered 'prospect' cards to be 'base' cards on a base checklist.

Brian flat out said NO TIM BECKHAM cards could be produced by anyone by Razor. Razor had the exclusive rights to his image usage.

This was obviously disproven.[/quote:279sgb2p]

Tristar has the right through MILB to make base cards of him. The other companies cannot make any cards of him currently.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

Wow...... you called it. WTG

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":evp3wsxg]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

Wow...... you called it. WTG [/quote:evp3wsxg]


Has this been substantiated?

I missed this thread...

 

[i43770]

[quote="P_Manning 18":51lujpd3]

[quote="Jeff N.":51lujpd3]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

Wow...... you called it. WTG [/quote:51lujpd3]


Has this been substantiated?

I missed this thread...[/quote:51lujpd3]

Of course it has, all you need is a rumor and a blacked out email for anything to be true on the internet.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="P_Manning 18":1pjb7wf8]

[quote="Jeff N.":1pjb7wf8]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

Wow...... you called it. WTG

Has this been substantiated?

I missed this thread...[/quote:1pjb7wf8]

Of course it has, all you need is a rumor and a blacked out email for anything to be true on the internet.[/quote:1pjb7wf8]


Blacked out email?

 

[Jaypers]

Blacked out email?

Referring to the memo regarding UD/Razor with several "sensitive" bits of contact info blacked out. See Gilmo's thread.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":4vkqqcdx]

[quote="Jeff N.":4vkqqcdx]Within a matter of a few weeks, Razor traveled the US - if not the globe - to obtain 100 different player autographs.

Any insight as to how this was accomplished? I'm sure there are some very interesting stories.

~~~

You didn't hear? They got Upper Deck to do it for them....

~~~

If you'd believe Skrip's and my dealers, your message would be right. However, I have serious doubts about that.

Your dealers aren't the only ones spreading this rumor.[/quote:4vkqqcdx]


this "rumor" isnt an acceptable topic for this board. I don't want to get on the subject of something that can't be affirmed or rebutted when the very accusation is damaging to both UD and Razor. Let's save the bashing for when something can be directly proven beyond the level of conspiracy theory.[/quote:4vkqqcdx]


Quoted for Gilmo as per our facebook chat.

 

[cgilmo]

right, but you are saying that I was saying that there is NO relationship between UD and Razor.


I never said that.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

right, but you are saying that I was saying that there is NO relationship between UD and Razor.


I never said that.

I don't have the time or energy, but I suspect that Brian Gray said that.

If there is an alleged loan between UD and Edgeman, and Edgeman no longer exists, does Brian Gray not owe UD the money?