coltsnsox07
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matfanofold
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You guys really feel Hughes has "Great Stuff"?
Forget for the moment all the prospector hype, the BMB man crush, and the early on scouting reports. Forget he is a yankee and an all around nice guy. Put aside the arbitrary MiLB numbers game(good and bad) and lets just focus on when you actually watch him pitch.
You really think "GREAT STUFF"??
I just do not see it. I see a guy with a 'decent' fast ball but simple, well followed delivery. I see a guy with average breaking stuff and not much 'command' per see. I see a guy with flashes of brilliance but more so to be average. Again, I think he has what it takes to be a MLB pitcher, and there alone is something special. But I just do not see him as an ACE or top of the line guy. I believe he is going to be a low to middle starter on an average teams rotation at best.
time will tell though, I would not be unhappy to be wrong though!
Forget for the moment all the prospector hype, the BMB man crush, and the early on scouting reports. Forget he is a yankee and an all around nice guy. Put aside the arbitrary MiLB numbers game(good and bad) and lets just focus on when you actually watch him pitch.
You really think "GREAT STUFF"??
I just do not see it. I see a guy with a 'decent' fast ball but simple, well followed delivery. I see a guy with average breaking stuff and not much 'command' per see. I see a guy with flashes of brilliance but more so to be average. Again, I think he has what it takes to be a MLB pitcher, and there alone is something special. But I just do not see him as an ACE or top of the line guy. I believe he is going to be a low to middle starter on an average teams rotation at best.
time will tell though, I would not be unhappy to be wrong though!
Mudcatsfan
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matfanofold said:
Ahem.
Strengths: Hughes has it all, with the combination of stuff, feel and command to profile as a No. 1 starter. In the words of one club official, "His stuff and his command keep getting better," and they were pretty good to begin with. Hughes sits at 91-95 mph with his four-seam fastball and touches 96. He can throw quality strikes with either his four-seamer or his upper-80s two-seamer. As he gains experience, his excellent control (his career K-BB ratio is 269-54) should evolve into above-average command. Hughes' greatest accomplishment as a pro has been to forsake his slider in favor of a knockout curveball, which is more of a strikeout pitch and produces less stress on his arm. It's a true power breaking ball that sits in the low 80s with 1-to-7 break. Club officials call it the best in the system because Hughes can throw it for quality strikes or bury it out of the zone, and because he uses the same arm slot and release point he uses for his fastball. While his slider is still a good pitch, he rarely throws it in games anymore.
-the BMB did not write that.
Mudcatsfan
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Also, the BMB didn't create the hype that labeled Huges as the 4th best prospect in all of baseball 2007
1. Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhp, Red Sox
2. Alex Gordon, 3b, Royals
3. Delmon Young, of, Devil
4. Philip Hughes, rhp, Yankees
5. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds
6. Cameron Maybin, of, Tigers
7. Evan Longoria, 3b, Devil Rays
8. Brandon Wood, ss, Angels
9. Justin Upton, of, Diamondbacks
10. Andrew Miller, lhp, Tigers
11. Tim Lincecum, rhp, Giants
12. Chris Young, of, Diamondbacks
13. Andrew McCutchen, of, Pirates
14. Jay Bruce, of, Reds
15. Troy Tulowitzki, ss, Rockies
16. Yovani Gallardo, rhp, Brewers
17. Reid Brignac, ss, Devil Rays
18. Carlos Gonzalez, of, Diamondbacks
19. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Dodgers
20. Mike Pelfrey, rhp, Mets
21. Matt Garza, rhp, Twins
22. Fernando Martinez, of, Mets
23. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians
24. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers
25. Billy Butler, of, Royals
26. Ryan Braun, 3b, Brewers
27. Jose Tabata, of, Yankees
28. Adam Jones, of, Mariners
29. Colby Rasmus, of, Cardinals
30. Franklin Morales, lhp, Rockies
31. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers
32. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals
33. Jacoby Ellsbury, of, Red Sox
34. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels
35. Jeff Niemann, rhp, Devil Rays
36. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c, Braves
37. Jacob Mcgee, lhp, Devil Rays
38. Hunter Pence, of, Astros
39. Adam Lind, of, Blue Jays
40. Chris Volstad, rhp, Marlins
41. Carlos Carrasco, rhp, Phillies
42. Jason Hirsh, rhp, Rockies
43. Joey Votto, 1b, Reds
44. James Loney, 1b, Dodgers
45. Josh Fields, 3b, White Sox
46. Ian Stewart, 3b, Rockies
47. Bill Rowell, 3b, Orioles
48. Dexter Fowler, of, Rockies
49. Felix Pie, of, Cubs
50. Travis Buck, of, Athletics
1. Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhp, Red Sox
2. Alex Gordon, 3b, Royals
3. Delmon Young, of, Devil
4. Philip Hughes, rhp, Yankees
5. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds
6. Cameron Maybin, of, Tigers
7. Evan Longoria, 3b, Devil Rays
8. Brandon Wood, ss, Angels
9. Justin Upton, of, Diamondbacks
10. Andrew Miller, lhp, Tigers
11. Tim Lincecum, rhp, Giants
12. Chris Young, of, Diamondbacks
13. Andrew McCutchen, of, Pirates
14. Jay Bruce, of, Reds
15. Troy Tulowitzki, ss, Rockies
16. Yovani Gallardo, rhp, Brewers
17. Reid Brignac, ss, Devil Rays
18. Carlos Gonzalez, of, Diamondbacks
19. Andy LaRoche, 3b, Dodgers
20. Mike Pelfrey, rhp, Mets
21. Matt Garza, rhp, Twins
22. Fernando Martinez, of, Mets
23. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians
24. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers
25. Billy Butler, of, Royals
26. Ryan Braun, 3b, Brewers
27. Jose Tabata, of, Yankees
28. Adam Jones, of, Mariners
29. Colby Rasmus, of, Cardinals
30. Franklin Morales, lhp, Rockies
31. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers
32. Luke Hochevar, rhp, Royals
33. Jacoby Ellsbury, of, Red Sox
34. Nick Adenhart, rhp, Angels
35. Jeff Niemann, rhp, Devil Rays
36. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c, Braves
37. Jacob Mcgee, lhp, Devil Rays
38. Hunter Pence, of, Astros
39. Adam Lind, of, Blue Jays
40. Chris Volstad, rhp, Marlins
41. Carlos Carrasco, rhp, Phillies
42. Jason Hirsh, rhp, Rockies
43. Joey Votto, 1b, Reds
44. James Loney, 1b, Dodgers
45. Josh Fields, 3b, White Sox
46. Ian Stewart, 3b, Rockies
47. Bill Rowell, 3b, Orioles
48. Dexter Fowler, of, Rockies
49. Felix Pie, of, Cubs
50. Travis Buck, of, Athletics
card-treasury
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Phil is a stud, dudermen, and on top of that, he's a good egg so-to-speak.
Even though he left me hanging once.
When he wins 20 games someday, everyone will be back on his bandwagon.
How many pro players came into collectors lives and gave them inside info, free autographs, and became one of the guys?
Zero other than Phil.
He learned fast enough that you can't please everyone, and being a professional baseball player in NYC, he has a few more important things to worry about than baseball cards.
Phil will be fine. He's 22!!
22!!
22!!
C'mon man, give the dude a break.
And this comes from a guy who deleted his number from his address book.
Phil Hughes is arguably the most dominating pitcher to pass through the minors (check the stats) in the past 10 years that isn't named Hamels or Lincecum.
He will come around. Trust me. Injuries, and only injuries, have set him back.
Play back the 6 inning no-hit outing against the Rangers when he tweaked his hammy if you don't believe me.
If he, or the Yonkis, would let me train him, he'd be on top again sooner than later.
He'll get there though.
Go Phil. No doubt.
Allergic to shellfish:
Even though he left me hanging once.
When he wins 20 games someday, everyone will be back on his bandwagon.
How many pro players came into collectors lives and gave them inside info, free autographs, and became one of the guys?
Zero other than Phil.
He learned fast enough that you can't please everyone, and being a professional baseball player in NYC, he has a few more important things to worry about than baseball cards.
Phil will be fine. He's 22!!
22!!
22!!
C'mon man, give the dude a break.
And this comes from a guy who deleted his number from his address book.
Phil Hughes is arguably the most dominating pitcher to pass through the minors (check the stats) in the past 10 years that isn't named Hamels or Lincecum.
He will come around. Trust me. Injuries, and only injuries, have set him back.
Play back the 6 inning no-hit outing against the Rangers when he tweaked his hammy if you don't believe me.
If he, or the Yonkis, would let me train him, he'd be on top again sooner than later.
He'll get there though.
Go Phil. No doubt.
Allergic to shellfish:
Moonlight Graham
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card-treasury said:Phil is a stud, dudermen, and on top of that, he's a good egg so-to-speak.
Even though he left me hanging once.
When he wins 20 games someday, everyone will be back on his bandwagon.
How many pro players came into collectors lives and gave them inside info, free autographs, and became one of the guys?
Zero other than Phil.
He learned fast enough that you can't please everyone, and being a professional baseball player in NYC, he has a few more important things to worry about than baseball cards.
Phil will be fine. He's 22!!
22!!
22!!
C'mon man, give the dude a break.
And this comes from a guy who deleted his number from his address book.
Phil Hughes is arguably the most dominating pitcher to pass through the minors (check the stats) in the past 10 years that isn't named Hamels or Lincecum.
He will come around. Trust me. Injuries, and only injuries, have set him back.
Play back the 6 inning no-hit outing against the Rangers when he tweaked his hammy if you don't believe me.
If he, or the Yonkis, would let me train him, he'd be on top again sooner than later.
He'll get there though.
Go Phil. No doubt.
Allergic to shellfish:
Well stated; thanked.
card-treasury said:Phil is a stud, dudermen, and on top of that, he's a good egg so-to-speak.
Even though he left me hanging once.
When he wins 20 games someday, everyone will be back on his bandwagon.
How many pro players came into collectors lives and gave them inside info, free autographs, and became one of the guys?
Zero other than Phil.
He learned fast enough that you can't please everyone, and being a professional baseball player in NYC, he has a few more important things to worry about than baseball cards.
Phil will be fine. He's 22!!
22!!
22!!
C'mon man, give the dude a break.
And this comes from a guy who deleted his number from his address book.
Phil Hughes is arguably the most dominating pitcher to pass through the minors (check the stats) in the past 10 years that isn't named Hamels or Lincecum.
He will come around. Trust me. Injuries, and only injuries, have set him back.
Play back the 6 inning no-hit outing against the Rangers when he tweaked his hammy if you don't believe me.
If he, or the Yonkis, would let me train him, he'd be on top again sooner than later.
He'll get there though.
Go Phil. No doubt.
Allergic to shellfish:
What did he do? Stick you with the bill?
