I WAS BUSTED BY THE E-BAY POLICE!!! E-BAY RANT

[ajbraves25]

I leave feedback while I am packaging up the items. Then I put in the tracking number and marked shipped. That way the buyer has feedback, a tracking number and knows that it is on the way. Usually within 2 days of recieving payment. I still have 2 buyers that have not left me feedback from recent deals and I wondered about it for a day or two, but why bother. I did my part. Hell I haven't recieved feedback from a buyer on this site and that deal was atleast 2 weeks ago now. Oh well.

~AJ

 

[Wes]

I leave feedback while I am packaging up the items. Then I put in the tracking number and marked shipped. That way the buyer has feedback, a tracking number and knows that it is on the way. Usually within 2 days of recieving payment. I still have 2 buyers that have not left me feedback from recent deals and I wondered about it for a day or two, but why bother. I did my part. Hell I haven't recieved feedback from a buyer on this site and that deal was atleast 2 weeks ago now. Oh well.

~AJ

I should add that I do the same, feedback as soon as I received payment and ship. Just sayin' it doesn't affect me either way when I buy stuff. But as I said I'm over 1000 with 100%.

 

[cardsrmytherapy]

Why don't I leave feedback right away? Here's why:

I had a guy purchase a 2000 Topps Traded Miggy Auto RC from me. He received it 3 days later claiming the card was trimmed and dinged and had every defect in the book and the only way he would consider keeping it was with a "considerable discount" (in his exact words). I told him that I believed that card was in fact perfectly mint and that I would be happy to take the card back no questions asked and even reimburse him for the return shipping. He never wrote back and I never heard from him again until two weeks later when he left me feedback saying "amazing card and shipped quickly". This guy had 1500+ feedbacks. All that time I was concerned I was going to receive a neg and did not leave feedback awaiting his move so that I can answer accordingly. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've gone through this. I even had a guy send me a picture of a card with a bent toploader in front of it to make it seem like the card was damaged. He demanded a FULL REFUND without returning the card in order to be satisfied with the transaction. As a seller I don't have the blanket of feedback to shield me from these situations.

As far as laziness, no...I package my cards with EXTREME care and go above and beyond to ensure they arrive safely--SPARING NO EXPENSE. Now, my not wanting to contribute to a broken system makes me a bad person? I think not.

I'm not throwing a pity party here people, I'm simply trying to do two things:
1. Vent to my supposed community friends about an issue that I'm having. I thought that's what community was all about.
and
2. Provide a little insight into my situation so that it doesn't happen to others.

Thanks to everyone for your comments thus far (albeit positive or negative in light). They are greatly appreciated. To my detractors, I'm taking steps to correct the feedback situation--as far as auctions that DESERVE a positive note, but can you at least see where I'm coming from with the way I've been beaten up by e-bay?

 

[Lancemountain]

I agree with one point of his. As a buyer I only leave feedback once the seller did. I can not give someone a 5 for communication if they did not "communicate" to me by giving me feedback. I will not give them a neutral, negative or harm their rating in anyway, I just do not give feedback.

As a seller I give feedback the day I mail the item.

Yup

 

[sportscardtheory]

Simply receiving a payment doesn't end a transaction. As a seller, I leave feedback when feedback is received, because only then do I know the buyer received the item and is satisfied. As a buyer, I leave feedback as soon as the item is received. If everyone simply went by these same simple guidelines, there would be no feedback problems.

 

[jumbojohnny]

It takes about thirty seconds to leave a feedback EX: "Fast Payment, Great Buyer, Thank You!"

Right click, copy, and paste the same for all buyers. I just did my feedback for the week and it took less than 5 minutes for 31 auctions.

Your rant took longer to type up...and all of your responses add up too. While feedback maybe optional, your refusal to leave feedback for others has bit you on your ass. Maybe its a good idea to start leaving feedback for people.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

This is how I feel. If PayPal's involved I don't see the need to provide feedback, feedback is better suited to straight-up trading. Many other sites do not have feedback; ebay feedback helps ebay from having to police itself.

I try to stay out of these ebay rants about feedback but I just have to wonder....
What's the big deal? I mean honestly. To me it seems like it's the same as Facebook friends. People just want to get as much as possible liek it's a contest or something. I mean I wish had had so little to worry about in life that I would care that a seller or buyer didn't leave me feedback. I just don't care. When I sell something yes I leave feedback right after payment, just to clean up my sold items and keep things organized. However I don't keep track if a seller hasn't left me feedback. I do however leave feedback after I get a card but only because it helps me remember that i actually received it. I just don't know what the big deal about feedback is, especially if you already have a good number. I guess if you're just starting out it's more important, but to me it's nothing to get upset about.
Just my 2 cents

 

[cardsrmytherapy]

It takes about thirty seconds to leave a feedback EX: "Fast Payment, Great Buyer, Thank You!"

Right click, copy, and paste the same for all buyers. I just did my feedback for the week and it took less than 5 minutes for 31 auctions.

Your rant took longer to type up...and all of your responses add up too. While feedback maybe optional, your refusal to leave feedback for others has bit you on your ass. Maybe its a good idea to start leaving feedback for people.

To you and all of the posts similar to this one...If you notice in my introduction, I admitted up front "I have a bad habit" acknowledging the error of my ways and provided my reasoning. I am not defending my actions, but I am asking for understanding. I am working on a solution.

This doesn't take away from the fact that this guy dinged my feedback for NOT LEAVING FEEDBACK on a $.99 card. He received his card in perfect condition, in a sleeve, toploader, and team bag w/cardboard backer, and still dinged me. THIS IS NOT FAIR.

Bottom line, this will probably cost me money in the long run. Why on earth would this guy feel it necessary to mess with my e-bay sales?

 

[TBTwinsFan]

It takes about thirty seconds to leave a feedback EX: "Fast Payment, Great Buyer, Thank You!"

Right click, copy, and paste the same for all buyers. I just did my feedback for the week and it took less than 5 minutes for 31 auctions.

Your rant took longer to type up...and all of your responses add up too. While feedback maybe optional, your refusal to leave feedback for others has bit you on your ass. Maybe its a good idea to start leaving feedback for people.

To you and all of the posts similar to this one...If you notice in my introduction, I admitted up front "I have a bad habit" acknowledging the error of my ways and provided my reasoning. I am not defending my actions, but I am asking for understanding. I am working on a solution.

This doesn't take away from the fact that this guy dinged my feedback for NOT LEAVING FEEDBACK on a $.99 card. He received his card in perfect condition, in a sleeve, toploader, and team bag w/cardboard backer, and still dinged me. THIS IS NOT FAIR.

Bottom line, this will probably cost me money in the long run. Why on earth would this guy feel it necessary to mess with my e-bay sales?

So then why are you ranting/venting?

It's like... some people have a bad habit of speeding. Then they get caught in the act...

I can see your frustration with the feedback problem, but is this conversation really necessary?

 

[cardsrmytherapy]

It takes about thirty seconds to leave a feedback EX: "Fast Payment, Great Buyer, Thank You!"

Right click, copy, and paste the same for all buyers. I just did my feedback for the week and it took less than 5 minutes for 31 auctions.

Your rant took longer to type up...and all of your responses add up too. While feedback maybe optional, your refusal to leave feedback for others has bit you on your ass. Maybe its a good idea to start leaving feedback for people.

To you and all of the posts similar to this one...If you notice in my introduction, I admitted up front "I have a bad habit" acknowledging the error of my ways and provided my reasoning. I am not defending my actions, but I am asking for understanding. I am working on a solution.

This doesn't take away from the fact that this guy dinged my feedback for NOT LEAVING FEEDBACK on a $.99 card. He received his card in perfect condition, in a sleeve, toploader, and team bag w/cardboard backer, and still dinged me. THIS IS NOT FAIR.

Bottom line, this will probably cost me money in the long run. Why on earth would this guy feel it necessary to mess with my e-bay sales?

So then why are you ranting/venting?

It's like... some people have a bad habit of speeding. Then they get caught in the act...I can see your frustration with the feedback problem, but is this conversation really necessary?

O.K., Fine...but does that entitle this guy to ding my feedback for it? Speeding is illegal. Not leaving feedback is not. Does it seem right that this guy can impose his wants with impunity? Yes, this conversation is necessary. What if someone could impose their wants and needs on you with impunity? Would you not be angry? Would you not want to tell your friends about it?

 

[Gwynn545]

Good Morning Fellow Boardmembers,

I don't leave feedback for transactions that go smoothly like I probably should because of how time consuming it is and how it's difficult to do so in bulk.

You know there is a screen where you can bring up all your transactions (I think it comes up when you click "Leave more feedback". Click on the positive button, type a message, highlight it, hit control+c (copy), and then go down the list click the positive button on each listing and hit control+v (paste). Continue on down the list leaving the same message for your buyers. You could have done your entire months transactions in the time it took you to write this message.

I'd have to agree here. You could do 100's in the time i took to write that message... I just can't imagine how difficult it is.

 

[VizquelCollector.com]

Bottom line, this will probably cost me money in the long run. Why on earth would this guy feel it necessary to mess with my e-bay sales?

I can't remember an incident I chose not to buy an item I wanted from someone with a few negatives. Even if it looks somewhat sketchy, I'm protected by Paypal. The bottom line is that I'd attempt to buy a card from you if I needed it despite knowing you're lazy about your feedback. Relax and have a beer since it's far from the end of the world.

 

[fengzhang]

I agree both sides should leave feedback for every transaction.

That said, there are a couple of things that I absolutely do not agree with:

1. The notion that sellers should leave feedback immediately after getting paid. WHY? The transaction hasn't ended. There are tens of ways for the buyer to screw you over after paying (from demanding refunds, to being unreasonable, to do chargebacks, damaging the card and then returning it, etc.). There is no reason for the seller to leave feedback for the buyer until the transaction is completed.

2. With #1 in mind, the buyer should probably leave feedback first. The transaction is usually concluded with the buyer receiving the item and being happy with it. Unless the buyer wants to take the times to email the seller, there's no way for the seller to know that the buyer is satisfied until they receive feedback. In the end, both sides should leave feedback but it seems more intuitive to me for the buyer to leave feedback first.

 

[boomo]

i got the selling manager when i opened a store, set it to leave feedback immediately after payment received, bang never leave another manual feedback again.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I agree both sides should leave feedback for every transaction.

That said, there are a couple of things that I absolutely do not agree with:

1. The notion that sellers should leave feedback immediately after getting paid. WHY? The transaction hasn't ended. There are tens of ways for the buyer to screw you over after paying (from demanding refunds, to being unreasonable, to do chargebacks, damaging the card and then returning it, etc.). There is no reason for the seller to leave feedback for the buyer until the transaction is completed.

2. With #1 in mind, the buyer should probably leave feedback first. The transaction is usually concluded with the buyer receiving the item and being happy with it. Unless the buyer wants to take the times to email the seller, there's no way for the seller to know that the buyer is satisfied until they receive feedback. In the end, both sides should leave feedback but it seems more intuitive to me for the buyer to leave feedback first.

Agreed 100%. The transaction is over when the buyer receives their end and are satisfied. That's when a seller should leave feedback. Any earlier than that is just pure risk on the sellers part.

 

[TBTwinsFan]

O.K., Fine...but does that entitle this guy to ding my feedback for it? Speeding is illegal. Not leaving feedback is not. Does it seem right that this guy can impose his wants with impunity? 1. Yes, this conversation is necessary. What if someone could impose their wants and needs on you with impunity? 2. Would you not be angry? 3. Would you not want to tell your friends about it?

1. No, it isn't. I gotta say that a neutral WON'T damage your reputation. I bought an item from a 99.1% seller because I needed it that bad. If you sell as much as you say you do (I am not saying you are lying, just so we are clear), then a neutral of all things is the least of your worries. Yes, it can be frustrating if you have a 100% feedback. But the more you sell, the more risk is being taken with these sorts of things. You can't expect to do all of that work and still please EVERYONE.


2. It depends. If I was in your situation, I would shrug it off. I will admit, I get frustrated when people don't leave me feedback, but I am not going to come whine about it on FCB looking for sympathy because of a problem like this. If I had any items that I could leave feedback for, it would have taken me less time to do that then to type this paragraph. Is it a person's duty to leave feedback? No. Is it nice when they do? Hell yes.

3. Depends how big the problem is. My friends DON'T CARE about my feedback. They never use ebay, nor collect cards. If it were an important problem, say, a legal issue (which I am basically too young for that stuff). I try not to drag my friends into my problems. I hate it when they do it too me, so I am just using do onto others there...

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Something called "Copy and Paste". Simple Thank You is fine feedback.

With the amount of time you took writing this you could have left easily 50 feedbacks with the copy and pastes. ::facepalm::

 

[nosterbor]

I agree with one point of his. As a buyer I only leave feedback once the seller did. I can not give someone a 5 for communication if they did not "communicate" to me by giving me feedback. I will not give them a neutral, negative or harm their rating in anyway, I just do not give feedback.

As a seller I give feedback the day I mail the item.

I know guys, but I'm honestly a little bit turned off by my inability to leave actual PRODUCTIVE feedback. Really, think about it. What If we could leave feedback/rate (as a seller) the amount of days to pay? What if we could be honest in our feedback--like in my case where the guy left a neg for not receiving the second card pictured? AS A SELLER YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE!!!!

Why feed a system that is broken?

ebay changed it for that reason!!!!!!!! use to be you paid the seller right away and it would take 3 weeks to get the item after asking the seller WHERE IS MY CARD AFTER 2 WEEKS WITH NO RESPONCE. i would leave a big neg. then get a big neg in retaliation! some time i would get a neg before i got the card.it is wayyyyyyyy better that they changed it.

Right. So you can leave negative feedback to sellers with impunity and no worry about any type of retribution.

Here's the definition of the internet tough guy...

Did you comprehend what i wrote? so in the old way if you got a card in 3 weeks you gave the seller a positive feed back. and why? because if you left a neg, you got one in return, because of a scumbag seller. but that is OK.

In the old days of feed back the seller did not care what they sent or how long it took to get the card or item to you. because they knew if they got a neg, they would leave a neg. you must be a seller with not so good feedback. by the way i have left only 1 neg. since the change. thats right 1. in 2500+ soooo i am an internet bad guy. next time you get screwed on ebay----leave that posi!

 

[Rickzcards]

I agree both sides should leave feedback for every transaction.

That said, there are a couple of things that I absolutely do not agree with:

1. The notion that sellers should leave feedback immediately after getting paid. WHY? The transaction hasn't ended. There are tens of ways for the buyer to screw you over after paying (from demanding refunds, to being unreasonable, to do chargebacks, damaging the card and then returning it, etc.). There is no reason for the seller to leave feedback for the buyer until the transaction is completed.

2. With #1 in mind, the buyer should probably leave feedback first. The transaction is usually concluded with the buyer receiving the item and being happy with it. Unless the buyer wants to take the times to email the seller, there's no way for the seller to know that the buyer is satisfied until they receive feedback. In the end, both sides should leave feedback but it seems more intuitive to me for the buyer to leave feedback first.

Agreed 100%. The transaction is over when the buyer receives their end and are satisfied. That's when a seller should leave feedback. Any earlier than that is just pure risk on the sellers part.

How so? As a seller you can't leave nothing but a positive so why does it matter? Ebay and their rules aren't perfect but as we all know feedback can boost/reduce your sales totals. I always leave feedback regardless. As a seller I do so if not immediately, at least within a few days. As a buyer I leave feedback after the item is received and inspected(only to make sure there are no huge defects i.e. creases, tears, etc.). I do it as a common courtesy. I don't always receive feedback in return but whatever, I have at least shown I am the better person. How many sellers have had these simular rants after having received negs/neutrals? If we only had a nickel for each. Has anyone learned from these posts? Doesn't seem like it because it continually happens so why set yourself up for a possible scenario like this, just leave the damn feedback, CYA. Why wait until the buyer leaves feedback, nothing you can do in return other than a positive so waiting on them is futile and leaves you open to all the idiots on ebay that don't know better or abuse the system. It isn't hard as many have testified to leave feedback so I have no sympathy for anyone that this happens to, sorry.

 

[David T.]

Feedback is way over-rated.
Typically the only feedback one worries about is their own.
I think it's a freudian thing. :lol:
David