I WAS BUSTED BY THE E-BAY POLICE!!! E-BAY RANT

[TBTwinsFan]

Feedback is way over-rated.
Typically the only feedback one worries about is their own.
I think it's a freudian thing. :lol:
David

This.

I have no problem ordering from a seller with a few negatives...

 

[ballerskrip]

Feedback is way over-rated.
Typically the only feedback one worries about is their own.
I think it's a freudian thing. :lol:
David

This.

I have no problem ordering from a seller with a few negatives...

And you have what, five transacations under your belt? Seriously bro, chill out. You certainly aren't an ebay expert and shouldn't be preaching about it since you are an amateur.

 

[TBTwinsFan]

Feedback is way over-rated.
Typically the only feedback one worries about is their own.
I think it's a freudian thing. :lol:
David

This.

I have no problem ordering from a seller with a few negatives...

And you have what, five transacations under your belt? Seriously bro, chill out. You certainly aren't an ebay expert and shouldn't be preaching about it since you are an amateur.

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And I should be MORE cautious for that reason itself. I have actually been helping people do it for years... I just don't take credit for it.

 

[Sean_C]

With all of the issues, problems, and pitfalls of eBay as of late, feedback is the one area that doesn't have to be a problem as long as you don't let it become one. Someone buys your item, you ship it out to them, then leave them feedback that day to thank them for their transaction, and let them know their item is on the way. No muss, no fuss. If it is a big deal for you, it's because you are making it into one. I have 2420 transactions on eBay so far this year, and leaving feedback for my buyers is the least problematic thing about them.

 

[justinmandawg]

try something like I leave positive feedback because it is my only choice

 

[parsetdx]

Good Morning Fellow Boardmembers,

I have a bad habit. I don't leave feedback for transactions that go smoothly like I probably should because of how time consuming it is and how it's difficult to do so in bulk.

You know there is a screen where you can bring up all your transactions (I think it comes up when you click "Leave more feedback". Click on the positive button, type a message, highlight it, hit control+c (copy), and then go down the list click the positive button on each listing and hit control+v (paste). Continue on down the list leaving the same message for your buyers. You could have done your entire months transactions in the time it took you to write this message.

+1

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I agree with one point of his. As a buyer I only leave feedback once the seller did. I can not give someone a 5 for communication if they did not "communicate" to me by giving me feedback. I will not give them a neutral, negative or harm their rating in anyway, I just do not give feedback.

As a seller I give feedback the day I mail the item.

I know guys, but I'm honestly a little bit turned off by my inability to leave actual PRODUCTIVE feedback. Really, think about it. What If we could leave feedback/rate (as a seller) the amount of days to pay? What if we could be honest in our feedback--like in my case where the guy left a neg for not receiving the second card pictured? AS A SELLER YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE!!!!

Why feed a system that is broken?

ebay changed it for that reason!!!!!!!! use to be you paid the seller right away and it would take 3 weeks to get the item after asking the seller WHERE IS MY CARD AFTER 2 WEEKS WITH NO RESPONCE. i would leave a big neg. then get a big neg in retaliation! some time i would get a neg before i got the card.it is wayyyyyyyy better that they changed it.

Right. So you can leave negative feedback to sellers with impunity and no worry about any type of retribution.

Here's the definition of the internet tough guy...

Did you comprehend what i wrote? so in the old way if you got a card in 3 weeks you gave the seller a positive feed back. and why? because if you left a neg, you got one in return, because of a scumbag seller. but that is OK.

In the old days of feed back the seller did not care what they sent or how long it took to get the card or item to you. because they knew if they got a neg, they would leave a neg. you must be a seller with not so good feedback. by the way i have left only 1 neg. since the change. thats right 1. in 2500+ soooo i am an internet bad guy. next time you get screwed on ebay----leave that posi!

With the stars system, you could have left a "negative" positive feedback. I don't believe that a person is a scumbag seller if they don't ship in 3 weeks. They're just slow.

Honestly, if I didn't get a card in 3 weeks, I wouldn't leave feedback at all. Therefore, there's no positive going. If the seller had left me positive, I would then leave a negative or a "negative" positive.

i'm not sure why you think I'm a seller with "not so good feedback". . . I have a rating of over 4900 and 100% positives...

 

[sportscardtheory]

I agree both sides should leave feedback for every transaction.

That said, there are a couple of things that I absolutely do not agree with:

1. The notion that sellers should leave feedback immediately after getting paid. WHY? The transaction hasn't ended. There are tens of ways for the buyer to screw you over after paying (from demanding refunds, to being unreasonable, to do chargebacks, damaging the card and then returning it, etc.). There is no reason for the seller to leave feedback for the buyer until the transaction is completed.

2. With #1 in mind, the buyer should probably leave feedback first. The transaction is usually concluded with the buyer receiving the item and being happy with it. Unless the buyer wants to take the times to email the seller, there's no way for the seller to know that the buyer is satisfied until they receive feedback. In the end, both sides should leave feedback but it seems more intuitive to me for the buyer to leave feedback first.

Agreed 100%. The transaction is over when the buyer receives their end and are satisfied. That's when a seller should leave feedback. Any earlier than that is just pure risk on the sellers part.

How so? As a seller you can't leave nothing but a positive so why does it matter? Ebay and their rules aren't perfect but as we all know feedback can boost/reduce your sales totals. I always leave feedback regardless. As a seller I do so if not immediately, at least within a few days. As a buyer I leave feedback after the item is received and inspected(only to make sure there are no huge defects i.e. creases, tears, etc.). I do it as a common courtesy. I don't always receive feedback in return but whatever, I have at least shown I am the better person. How many sellers have had these simular rants after having received negs/neutrals? If we only had a nickel for each. Has anyone learned from these posts? Doesn't seem like it because it continually happens so why set yourself up for a possible scenario like this, just leave the damn feedback, CYA. Why wait until the buyer leaves feedback, nothing you can do in return other than a positive so waiting on them is futile and leaves you open to all the idiots on ebay that don't know better or abuse the system. It isn't hard as many have testified to leave feedback so I have no sympathy for anyone that this happens to, sorry.

The transaction is not complete until the buyer receives their end and is happy. That's when I leave feedback. It works for me. Anytime someone asks me to leave feedback, I do without hesitation, but I won't leave it until it's left for me. It just makes sense to me. It also keeps people from taking shots at me because not everyone even knows that sellers can't leave negative feedback. I rarely if ever have people take shots, so it seems to be working.

 

[predatorkj]

As far as laziness, no...I package my cards with EXTREME care and go above and beyond to ensure they arrive safely--SPARING NO EXPENSE.

Thank you...John Hammond.

Sorry...I just couldn't resist.

In any case...I do see where you are going with the not feeding a broken system. I myself kind of hate the feedback rules and I only buy. I figure the cream always rises to the top. Even if a guy has good feedback and decides to try to screw me over and I leave negative feedback...sure many may not notice it, but they could always look at my feedback left and received and see the type of person I am and then they have a better scale to weigh it on. But now since a seller can't really leave a neg, my feedback after the changes to the feedback system is worthless. Now if I leave a good seller a neg, you can't look at my feedback and tell what kind of a buyer I am . Am I somebody who is logical and rational or am I a nutcase who tries to pull crap all the time? You don't know anymore.

I'm not saying you shouldn't leave feedback. Personally since I have over 800...I don't care whether you do or not. But there are ways to leave automatic feedback as soon as payment is received. My advice is to look at all the different types of programs available for selling and managing your account. I would. It will help you out.

But yeah...the system is pretty useless now. I really don't think you can have a one way system like that. And for anybody who says otherwise...you are just fooling yourself. The cream will rise to the top. If a seller or buyer is bad and they can be touched by feedback, it will show.

 

[predatorkj]

Simply receiving a payment doesn't end a transaction. As a seller, I leave feedback when feedback is received, because only then do I know the buyer received the item and is satisfied. As a buyer, I leave feedback as soon as the item is received. If everyone simply went by these same simple guidelines, there would be no feedback problems.

That's a little flawed. Why not leave feedback for whatever part of the transaction is your interest? As a seller all you are worried about as far as experience goes is if you get paid on time. Now days with feedback the way it is, you can't leave a neg so if the dude pays...you as a seller have obtained your experience as far as it goes. Only if the system were the way it used to be, would the feedback need to be held onto until the buyer is happy. But your goal is to get paid now. After that, you're done.


And btw...I will leave a negative if the transaction was a bad experience. I mean...getting the card is only half the battle for me. I am not one of those freaks who cries about pwe's but if the seller was a rude person and I wasn't treated very fairly, then my experience wasn't good and you won't get a good feedback for it. But I have actually noticed when weighing all variables, this rarely even is an issue.

 

[zep33]

I used to care about people not leaving feedback but after my number got high enough it became less important.

I've left feedback for every transaction I've ever had though.

My account:

1112 FB left
976 FB received

Looks like you are far from alone

 

[f2tornado]

Worth leaving feedback just to avoid all the people asking for it. I leave feedback for most items I sell and do not expect the favor returned. I cannot even get a simple thank you around here when I send free cards so I'm not banking on one from someone paying for a card.

 

[pac213up]

I do a good amount of buying and selling on Ebay and do not really understand why people are so obsessed with receiving feedback. If you are trying to build a reputation it is one thing but at a certain point it really means very little. I generally leave feedback as a seller BUT understand why some do not given they do not have the option of leaving honest feedback the same way buyers do. If buyers want all their sellers to leave feedback they should petition Ebay to allow sellers the same feedback options they have...... such as leaving a neutral when a seller takes too long to pay .... or a negative when they try to scam you for partial refunds.

 

[gvsu96]

When I'm selling I leave feedback as soon as I print out the shipping label and pack it out. I treat it like if I owned a brick and mortar business and was selling something to someone face to face. It's a quick "Thanks for your purchase."


My feedback disparity is:
Total feedback: 2863
Feedback as a seller: 1948
Feedback as a buyer: 803
Feedback left for others: 3476

 

[nosterbor]

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feed back works! this scumbag was kicked off ebay!

 

[Tom Oates]

Simply receiving a payment doesn't end a transaction. As a seller, I leave feedback when feedback is received, because only then do I know the buyer received the item and is satisfied. As a buyer, I leave feedback as soon as the item is received. If everyone simply went by these same simple guidelines, there would be no feedback problems.

DING... DING...DING... We have a winner. This is my policy as well. As a seller, my job is not done until the buyer receives the card and is happy with the transaction. I only know that the transaction is complete when I get their postitive feedback. Then I do likewise.

Tom

 

[zep33]

. I cannot even get a simple thank you around here when I send free cards so I'm not banking on one from someone paying for a card.

LOL you've run into that too ?

 

[Sean_C]

To me, that's part of that whole "making things far more difficult than they need to be" thing I was talking about earlier. It also presumes that the buyer is going to try to screw you somehow, which 1). is a very negative outlook to have towards your customers, and 2). isn't really going to be able to be handled via feedback anyway, since all you can do is leave positive feedback in any situation, regardless of what the text may say.

I agree both sides should leave feedback for every transaction.

That said, there are a couple of things that I absolutely do not agree with:

1. The notion that sellers should leave feedback immediately after getting paid. WHY? The transaction hasn't ended. There are tens of ways for the buyer to screw you over after paying (from demanding refunds, to being unreasonable, to do chargebacks, damaging the card and then returning it, etc.). There is no reason for the seller to leave feedback for the buyer until the transaction is completed.

2. With #1 in mind, the buyer should probably leave feedback first. The transaction is usually concluded with the buyer receiving the item and being happy with it. Unless the buyer wants to take the times to email the seller, there's no way for the seller to know that the buyer is satisfied until they receive feedback. In the end, both sides should leave feedback but it seems more intuitive to me for the buyer to leave feedback first.

Agreed 100%. The transaction is over when the buyer receives their end and are satisfied. That's when a seller should leave feedback. Any earlier than that is just pure risk on the sellers part.

How so? As a seller you can't leave nothing but a positive so why does it matter? Ebay and their rules aren't perfect but as we all know feedback can boost/reduce your sales totals. I always leave feedback regardless. As a seller I do so if not immediately, at least within a few days. As a buyer I leave feedback after the item is received and inspected(only to make sure there are no huge defects i.e. creases, tears, etc.). I do it as a common courtesy. I don't always receive feedback in return but whatever, I have at least shown I am the better person. How many sellers have had these simular rants after having received negs/neutrals? If we only had a nickel for each. Has anyone learned from these posts? Doesn't seem like it because it continually happens so why set yourself up for a possible scenario like this, just leave the damn feedback, CYA. Why wait until the buyer leaves feedback, nothing you can do in return other than a positive so waiting on them is futile and leaves you open to all the idiots on ebay that don't know better or abuse the system. It isn't hard as many have testified to leave feedback so I have no sympathy for anyone that this happens to, sorry.

The transaction is not complete until the buyer receives their end and is happy. That's when I leave feedback. It works for me. Anytime someone asks me to leave feedback, I do without hesitation, but I won't leave it until it's left for me. It just makes sense to me. It also keeps people from taking shots at me because not everyone even knows that sellers can't leave negative feedback. I rarely if ever have people take shots, so it seems to be working.

 

[jbhofmann]

I've made trades on another board (cough, SCF, cough) that made me send first because I was new there. Ok. Fair.

When the deal was done, I give my positive feedback out to a 546,695 ULTRA-PROFESSIONAL-UBER-TRADER who in turn ignores giving me feedback. Guess what? I still have a send first label on that site because of jagweeds that won't reciprocate feedback.

Did I mention how much I enjoy this board more than anywhere else?

 

[EricInCT]

Wow, seems like a lot of folks have problems with ebay, bummer.

I leave feedback once a week, 20 feedbacks take about a minute and a half. Copy and paste is a beautiful thing.