If you had to take one current member of the HOF....

[sportscardtheory]

like I said do you see Andrus Jones, Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter being a HOFer just because their gold glovers. A ball player generally is good at hitting and fielding but look at these players that are medicore at best at fielding and win a GG. Prior to last season there was atleast 2 other better shortstops than Derek Jeter(im a Yankees fan) and Jeter won it. So I dont think anyone really takes gg's as serious as tyhey did say 20 years ago. W/ that said I just dont see how Ozzie Smith is a Hofer while players like Blyvan,Lee Smith and Dawson are not.

Because it's the Hall of FAME. You seem to think it's about stats. They help a player's cause, but they make it on merit and how popular they are. Ozzie Smith was one of the most popular players of his generation. You can not deny that.

 

[colts1888]

like I said do you see Andrus Jones, Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter being a HOFer just because their gold glovers. A ball player generally is good at hitting and fielding but look at these players that are medicore at best at fielding and win a GG. Prior to last season there was atleast 2 other better shortstops than Derek Jeter(im a Yankees fan) and Jeter won it. So I dont think anyone really takes gg's as serious as tyhey did say 20 years ago. W/ that said I just dont see how Ozzie Smith is a Hofer while players like Blyvan,Lee Smith and Dawson are not.

Because it's the Hall of FAME. You seem to think it's about stats. They help a player's cause, but they make it on merit and how popular they are. Ozzie Smith was one of the most popular players of his generation. You can not deny that.

If that how the HOF voting goes then its a joke. Of course if someone gonna do a back flip there gonna be liked. So the next time we see a player do a back flip and is liked buy the media put him in the HOF. You need the numbers to be a HOFer more than the personality if you want the HOF to actually mean anything

 

[Nate Colbert 17]

Gary Carter

Rabbit Maranville

Frankie Frisch

Phil Rizzuto

Ross Youngs

Don Sutton

 

[Adamsince1981]

All one-dimensional players:

All pitchers
Ozzie Smith
Brooks Robinson

All players that have not reached BOTH of those "magic" milestones:
500 HRs
3000 Hits

Pitcher milestones don't matter because pitchers shouldn't be in.

As we all know and have learned from the brilliant minds of half the guys on these boards, offensive-powerhouse guys are the ONLY ones who deserve to be in the HOF.

Baseball is 100% about offense and home runs...so no one else matters.

Im glad i read the whole post before i started my rant haha. I thought you were agreeing with these guys. This thread is gonna be a great read as was the last that turned into an ozzie smith shouldnt be in thread. The thinking behind some peoples posts is a mystery to me. Ozzie is unquestionably a hall of famer and as for maz hes another guy that people only look at his offensive numbers. He was an 8 time gold glover and 7 or 8 time allstar as well as a clutch hitter in the post season (im not just talking about his big home run either). He batted .400 in 3 nlcs and .323 in 2 world series both of which the pirates won. Baseball is not just about the long ball people. if defense didnt matter they wouldnt play the field.

like I said do you see Andrus Jones, Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter being a HOFer just because their gold glovers. A ball player generally is good at hitting and fielding but look at these players that are medicore at best at fielding and win a GG. Prior to last season there was atleast 2 other better shortstops than Derek Jeter(im a Yankees fan) and Jeter won it. So I dont think anyone really takes gg's as serious as tyhey did say 20 years ago. W/ that said I just dont see how Ozzie Smith is a Hofer while players like Blyvan,Lee Smith and Dawson are not.

Why are you comparing 3 OFer's that will never catch Ozzie's GG total to a SS with 13 GG's?

 

[colts1888]

All one-dimensional players:

All pitchers
Ozzie Smith
Brooks Robinson

All players that have not reached BOTH of those "magic" milestones:
500 HRs
3000 Hits

Pitcher milestones don't matter because pitchers shouldn't be in.

As we all know and have learned from the brilliant minds of half the guys on these boards, offensive-powerhouse guys are the ONLY ones who deserve to be in the HOF.

Baseball is 100% about offense and home runs...so no one else matters.

Im glad i read the whole post before i started my rant haha. I thought you were agreeing with these guys. This thread is gonna be a great read as was the last that turned into an ozzie smith shouldnt be in thread. The thinking behind some peoples posts is a mystery to me. Ozzie is unquestionably a hall of famer and as for maz hes another guy that people only look at his offensive numbers. He was an 8 time gold glover and 7 or 8 time allstar as well as a clutch hitter in the post season (im not just talking about his big home run either). He batted .400 in 3 nlcs and .323 in 2 world series both of which the pirates won. Baseball is not just about the long ball people. if defense didnt matter they wouldnt play the field.

like I said do you see Andrus Jones, Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter being a HOFer just because their gold glovers. A ball player generally is good at hitting and fielding but look at these players that are medicore at best at fielding and win a GG. Prior to last season there was atleast 2 other better shortstops than Derek Jeter(im a Yankees fan) and Jeter won it. So I dont think anyone really takes gg's as serious as tyhey did say 20 years ago. W/ that said I just dont see how Ozzie Smith is a Hofer while players like Blyvan,Lee Smith and Dawson are not.

Why are you comparing 3 OFer's that will never catch Ozzie's GG total to a SS with 13 GG's?

Does it matter what postion they play my point is they won Gold Gloves too and will never be considered a HOFer

 

[scotty21690]

All one-dimensional players:

All pitchers
Ozzie Smith
Brooks Robinson

All players that have not reached BOTH of those "magic" milestones:
500 HRs
3000 Hits

Pitcher milestones don't matter because pitchers shouldn't be in.

As we all know and have learned from the brilliant minds of half the guys on these boards, offensive-powerhouse guys are the ONLY ones who deserve to be in the HOF.

Baseball is 100% about offense and home runs...so no one else matters.

LMAO!.....Great post.

 

[Adamsince1981]

All one-dimensional players:

All pitchers
Ozzie Smith
Brooks Robinson

All players that have not reached BOTH of those "magic" milestones:
500 HRs
3000 Hits

Pitcher milestones don't matter because pitchers shouldn't be in.

As we all know and have learned from the brilliant minds of half the guys on these boards, offensive-powerhouse guys are the ONLY ones who deserve to be in the HOF.

Baseball is 100% about offense and home runs...so no one else matters.

Im glad i read the whole post before i started my rant haha. I thought you were agreeing with these guys. This thread is gonna be a great read as was the last that turned into an ozzie smith shouldnt be in thread. The thinking behind some peoples posts is a mystery to me. Ozzie is unquestionably a hall of famer and as for maz hes another guy that people only look at his offensive numbers. He was an 8 time gold glover and 7 or 8 time allstar as well as a clutch hitter in the post season (im not just talking about his big home run either). He batted .400 in 3 nlcs and .323 in 2 world series both of which the pirates won. Baseball is not just about the long ball people. if defense didnt matter they wouldnt play the field.

like I said do you see Andrus Jones, Mike Cameron or Tori Hunter being a HOFer just because their gold glovers. A ball player generally is good at hitting and fielding but look at these players that are medicore at best at fielding and win a GG. Prior to last season there was atleast 2 other better shortstops than Derek Jeter(im a Yankees fan) and Jeter won it. So I dont think anyone really takes gg's as serious as tyhey did say 20 years ago. W/ that said I just dont see how Ozzie Smith is a Hofer while players like Blyvan,Lee Smith and Dawson are not.

Why are you comparing 3 OFer's that will never catch Ozzie's GG total to a SS with 13 GG's?

Does it matter what postion they play my point is they won Gold Gloves too and will never be considered a HOFer

1st - yes it does matter. SS is a much more challenging position in terms of defense.

2nd - out of your 3 examples...only Andruw has 10 and he won't win another, while Hunter would have to win 4 more to catch Smith.

 

[SilverandBlack]

Gary Carter

Rabbit Maranville

Frankie Frisch

Phil Rizzuto

Ross Youngs

Don Sutton

Really?Don Sutton won 324 games and 3500 strikeouts isnt that bad either. Great choice

 

[sportscardtheory]

Gary Carter

Rabbit Maranville

Frankie Frisch

Phil Rizzuto

Ross Youngs

Don Sutton

Really?Don Sutton won 324 games and 3500 strikeouts isnt that bad either. Great choice

One of only 6, I think, pitchers with over 300 Ws and 3,500 Ks.

 

[SilverandBlack]

Gary Carter

Rabbit Maranville

Frankie Frisch

Phil Rizzuto

Ross Youngs

Don Sutton

Really?Don Sutton won 324 games and 3500 strikeouts isnt that bad either. Great choice

One of only 6, I think, pitchers with over 300 Ws and 3,500 Ks.

while he did pitch for a long time you cant fault him for being consistent and healthy also if you look at his career numbers there is no case you can make against him being there

 

[bouwob]

Does it matter what postion they play my point is they won Gold Gloves too and will never be considered a HOFer

Also noted just above they still have a ways to get to ozzie's numbers. Jones would likly have had a chance if he didn't completely keel over after 2007. He isnt even considered a starter now. Another 6 or so decent years and he may have had a chance.

Also with the above statement you are saying that pudge shouldn't get in. I think he should be first ballot. He is impo the best defensive catcher to ever play the game. And yes, his defense did help win games. He might not have 500 HRs but he is still one of the best.

 

[colts1888]

Does it matter what postion they play my point is they won Gold Gloves too and will never be considered a HOFer

Also noted just above they still have a ways to get to ozzie's numbers. Jones would likly have had a chance if he didn't completely keel over after 2007. He isnt even considered a starter now. Another 6 or so decent years and he may have had a chance.

Also with the above statement you are saying that pudge shouldn't get in. I think he should be first ballot. He is impo the best defensive catcher to ever play the game. And yes, his defense did help win games. He might not have 500 HRs but he is still one of the best.

I think a catcher has different HOF criteria to meet. 350 Hrs is considered amazing. They are on their knees (crouch position) for the enitre game. Thats not good for your body so when they hit its a bonus. As long as a catcher can call a game,throw out runners block balls i think a teams happy. Pudge w/o a doubt is one of the best of all time. I think if anything keeps him out its the steroid cloud surrounding him

 

[hofautos]

Everyone that is in, should be in.
I believe in the election process, and it's their club.

 

[Sean_C]

George Kelly. Absolute joke that he is in the Hall of Fame

 

[Huffamaniac]

Tony Perez. He was just a good player on some great teams. I do not feel his overall numbers and accomplishments make him a HOFer

He only top 5 in MVP 2 times in his career, and the only category he ever lead the league in during a season was grounding into double plays

 

[matfanofold]

I must admit that there is not a single player I can think of who did not warrent induction! Every single person I have read mentioned thus far had enough of the combined mojo to make it in my eyes. Weither it be offensive/defensive dominance, hugh numbers, fame within the sport, or a mixture of all 3, they all are plausable to me.

This is not to say if I were to redo the HOF I would not do some things differently, but it is to say that considering the meaning of the HOF and how it has continually been handled, I see eye to eye with the voting and player selection.

 

[subpop77]

::facepalm:: :benson:

Pete Rose.

Gambling should not be accepted.

zookerman182 I agree with you on Jim Rice, It was his last chance on the ballot and maybe people felt sorry for him

 

[Vagrant]

I think the player that used PEDs that is in the hall should be taken out of the hall. If Canseco said it was true, then it probably was true. As much of a slimeball as he is, he's been the best narc in baseball history. I would suspect Rickey Henderson, but that is nowhere near a concrete answer. For all the guys that Canseco played with, Henderson and Eck make the most sense. No cheaters allowed, whichever one it was.

 

[aminors]

I think the player that used PEDs that is in the hall should be taken out of the hall. If Canseco said it was true, then it probably was true. As much of a slimeball as he is, he's been the best narc in baseball history. I would suspect Rickey Henderson, but that is nowhere near a concrete answer. For all the guys that Canseco played with, Henderson and Eck make the most sense. No cheaters allowed, whichever one it was.

Yeah, because there just CAN NOT be good players in baseball with natural talent. They MUST be on steroids if they were ever around anyone who used.
Makes sense, right?


Ant

 

[sportscardtheory]

I must admit that there is not a single player I can think of who did not warrent induction! Every single person I have read mentioned thus far had enough of the combined mojo to make it in my eyes. Weither it be offensive/defensive dominance, hugh numbers, fame within the sport, or a mixture of all 3, they all are plausable to me.

This is not to say if I were to redo the HOF I would not do some things differently, but it is to say that considering the meaning of the HOF and how it has continually been handled, I see eye to eye with the voting and player selection.

My thoughts exactly. Most of us were not there when a lot of these players were inducted and use only stats to make our points. Players like Maz and Ozzie were HUGE players during their playing days and weren't voted in for no reason. I agree that anyone who is in deserves it. It's not like we are forced to agree. Like I have said before, if you don't personally recognize a player as Hall worthy, then to you he isn't... it doesn't matter. What I mean is, there are levels to everything. Clearly there will ALWAYS be "lesser" Hall of Famers, otherwise we wouldn't know who was the best of the best.