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I believe any members voted in are worthy of being in for one reason or another not solely based on stats. If a member is considered a "fan favorite" then that member is probably a good human being and a likeable guy. MLB most likely would love to have great representatives like this in the hall because there are plenty of A holes that can hit a baseball. Fans like players that they can like not just the ones that hit HR's. I realize stat-wise there are certain criteria expected from players, but popularity should be accounted for as well.
 

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henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.
 

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Alright then, Tony Perez also did not win any defensive awards. I also do not believe he was anything amazing defensively either. If someone wants to disagree with his defense please feel free to educate me. I have not read or saw anything that would make me feel he was a liability defensively but i do not think his D was strong enough to make up for his good but not HOF hitting

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Funny how everyone ONLY mentions offensive stats when saying someone shouldn't be in the hall of fame.
 

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bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?
 

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henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.
 

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henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

No he is saying 3,000 hits is a major accomplishment that can only be achieved by elite hitters(hof worthy hitters)
 

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sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?
 

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henderson939 said:
sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?


3,300 hits
500 stolen bases
career .300 average
1,300 rbis
1,700 runs scored
 

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henderson939 said:
sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?

I'm not even going to get into Molitor with you. You clearly have no clue. Kirby Puckett was seriously injured in a freak incident and had to retire because of it. He had HOF stats even BEFORE losing his career. THAT'S why he's in the Hall of Fame. Don Mattingly faded away as a player. He was one of the best for a long time, but he lost it all very quickly which hurt his chances. Puckett retired early at the top of his game.
 

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thenumberonemetfan said:
henderson939 said:
sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
[quote="henderson939":1bsjv2g3]What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?


3,300 hits
500 stolen bases
career .300 average
1,300 rbis
1,700 runs scored[/quote:1bsjv2g3]

Not to mention he was raking his whole career. The freak of nature hit .341 with 225 hits and 119 RBI's and 18 stolen bases when he was 40 for god's sake. Anyone who questions the validity of Molitors HOF credentials is just arguing for the sake of arguing a loosing battle..
 

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henderson939 said:
sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?

ok so either your 15 and never saw him play or your a moron. There is literally no arguement against molitor. Do a little research and learn a thing or 2
 

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bondofan38 said:
henderson939 said:
sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
bondofan38 said:
[quote="henderson939":qna8fbus]What about Molitor & Puckett? The only thing that stands out for Molitor is the 3,000 hits. As far as Puckett, how is he in and not Mattingly?

Oh is that all? Man some of these posts are hilarious. I agree with the guys that said anyone in deserves to be in. Although there are a couple guys that belong that arent rose and shoeless joe.

Is that all what? Are you telling me there is more to Molitor than 3,000 hits?

You can't be serious.

Check Molitors stats, and tell me what is so HOF worthy? Then compare Mattingly with Puckett and explain how one is in and not the other?

ok so either your 15 and never saw him play or your a moron. There is literally no arguement against molitor. Do a little research and learn a thing or 2[/quote:qna8fbus]

Im not 15, but I guess I am a moron. His stats ARE hall worthy. I overlooked all those steals. You guys are right. Sorry I set everybody off :oops: Ive embarassed myself. Im sure it wont be the last time. As far as Mattingly & Puckett, their overall numbers are similar. It doesnt matter if Puckett had to retire early, thats part of life.
 

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henderson939 said:
Im not 15, but I guess I am a moron. His stats ARE hall worthy. I overlooked all those steals. You guys are right. Sorry I set everybody off :oops: Ive embarassed myself. Im sure it wont be the last time. As far as Mattingly & Puckett, their overall numbers are similar. It doesnt matter if Puckett had to retire early, thats part of life.

Props for being man enough to admit it. On the other hand, I think voters will always look at what a player accomplished all the way up to their retirement. A player like Puckett is similar to Sandy Koufax. Injury ended their careers while in their prime, or at least while playing at a very high level. Don Mattingly played as long as he could and faded big time. Puckett never faded, as didn't Koufax. That's why they are HOFers. If Albert Pujols retired tomorrow because he lost some fingers in an accident, he would make the HOF even though he doesn't have the accumulated stats.
 

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sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
Im not 15, but I guess I am a moron. His stats ARE hall worthy. I overlooked all those steals. You guys are right. Sorry I set everybody off :oops: Ive embarassed myself. Im sure it wont be the last time. As far as Mattingly & Puckett, their overall numbers are similar. It doesnt matter if Puckett had to retire early, thats part of life.

Props for being man enough to admit it. On the other hand, I think voters will always look at what a player accomplished all the way up to their retirement. A player like Puckett is similar to Sandy Koufax. Injury ended their careers while in their prime, or at least while playing at a very high level. Don Mattingly played as long as he could and faded big time. Puckett never faded, as didn't Koufax. That's why they are HOFers. If Albert Pujols retired tomorrow because he lost some fingers in an accident, he would make the HOF even though he doesn't have the accumulated stats.

Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Seriously though, that's exactly it with Puckett. Mattingly was really good for about 5-6 straight years, then really faded for the last 6. Puckett, you look at his numbers from Season 1 to Season 12, and they are stellar year after year.

On top of that, Puckett was clutch in the post-season and helped lead the Twins to two World Series titles.
 

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Minor quibble - does anyone really think the Hall of Fame wouldn't make a special allowance for someone who has put up the numbers Albert Pujols has, but doesn't meet the requirement of playing 10 seasons?

Maybe if he murdered someone or was exposed as a PED user, maybe he falls short, but come on - he is practically a HOFer.

sportscardtheory said:
henderson939 said:
Im not 15, but I guess I am a moron. His stats ARE hall worthy. I overlooked all those steals. You guys are right. Sorry I set everybody off :oops: Ive embarassed myself. Im sure it wont be the last time. As far as Mattingly & Puckett, their overall numbers are similar. It doesnt matter if Puckett had to retire early, thats part of life.

Props for being man enough to admit it. On the other hand, I think voters will always look at what a player accomplished all the way up to their retirement. A player like Puckett is similar to Sandy Koufax. Injury ended their careers while in their prime, or at least while playing at a very high level. Don Mattingly played as long as he could and faded big time. Puckett never faded, as didn't Koufax. That's why they are HOFers. If Albert Pujols retired tomorrow because he lost some fingers in an accident, he would make the HOF even though he doesn't have the accumulated stats.
 

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Sly said:
Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Oh yes, I forgot he needs 1 at-bat next season to be Hall worthy. My point is the same... just imagine I said it in April. :)
 

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Mattingly vs. Puckett:
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Sly said:
Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Seriously though, that's exactly it with Puckett. Mattingly was really good for about 5-6 straight years, then really faded for the last 6. Puckett, you look at his numbers from Season 1 to Season 12, and they are stellar year after year.

On top of that, Puckett was clutch in the post-season and helped lead the Twins to two World Series titles.
 

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uniquebaseballcards said:
Mattingly vs. Puckett:
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Sly said:
Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Seriously though, that's exactly it with Puckett. Mattingly was really good for about 5-6 straight years, then really faded for the last 6. Puckett, you look at his numbers from Season 1 to Season 12, and they are stellar year after year.

On top of that, Puckett was clutch in the post-season and helped lead the Twins to two World Series titles.

If Mattingly would not have faded into oblivion the last handful years of his career, he might have had BETTER per-162 stats than Puckett instead of worse. They are definitely comparable, but Puckett was seemingly no where near being done when he was forced to retire.
 

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LOL, For all intents and purposes, its fair to say the stats are identical.

I'm not saying Mattingly is HOF, but if Puckett is than Mattingly is. But Puckett wasn't as scary as Mattingly.

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uniquebaseballcards said:
Mattingly vs. Puckett:
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Sly said:
Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Seriously though, that's exactly it with Puckett. Mattingly was really good for about 5-6 straight years, then really faded for the last 6. Puckett, you look at his numbers from Season 1 to Season 12, and they are stellar year after year.

On top of that, Puckett was clutch in the post-season and helped lead the Twins to two World Series titles.

If Mattingly would not have faded into oblivion the last handful years of his career, he might have had BETTER per-162 stats than Puckett instead of worse. They are definitely comparable, but Puckett was seemingly no where near being done when he was forced to retire.
 

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uniquebaseballcards said:
LOL, For all intents and purposes, its fair to say the stats are identical.

I'm not saying Mattingly is HOF, but if Puckett is than Mattingly is. But Puckett wasn't as scary as Mattingly.

sportscardtheory said:
uniquebaseballcards said:
Mattingly vs. Puckett:
stats-1.jpg


Sly said:
Technically, no, Pujols wouldn't, as he's only had 9 season in the pros, and you need 10 to be inducted (unless due to death). ;)

Seriously though, that's exactly it with Puckett. Mattingly was really good for about 5-6 straight years, then really faded for the last 6. Puckett, you look at his numbers from Season 1 to Season 12, and they are stellar year after year.

On top of that, Puckett was clutch in the post-season and helped lead the Twins to two World Series titles.

If Mattingly would not have faded into oblivion the last handful years of his career, he might have had BETTER per-162 stats than Puckett instead of worse. They are definitely comparable, but Puckett was seemingly no where near being done when he was forced to retire.

I don't see what is funny. Puckett's career was cut severely short, Mattingly played until he could no longer. Puckett would have had 3,000 hits among other milestones. You say their stats are identical and they are clearly NOT. Puckett leads in nearly every single stat. He was MUCH better on the base paths and was an integral part of 2 World Series teams. Mattingly can't say that and he was a mere shadow of himself for the last bunch of years in his career. You can't argue that.
 

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