Is Mike Leake the best draft pick in the last 10 years?

[sportscardtheory]

What about Rick Porcello? He's a year younger, has 18 more wins and was picked 27th overall to Leake's 8th. I certainly would't call Porcello the best draft pick in the last 10 years.

 

[seitas]

this is the stupidest thread I've ever read on here and that's saying a lot.

 

[bradical]

this is the stupidest thread I've ever read on here and that's saying a lot.

Thanked.

 

[ronfromfresno]

Again, Lincecum was the 10th overall pick in 2006, won a Cy-Young in each of his first two full seasons......so one by the end of his second season, now a four time All-Star, and a post season MVP. He's had a much bigger impact than Leake and drafted at a lower slot.

 

[bradical]

What about Rick Porcello? He's a year younger, has 18 more wins and was picked 27th overall to Leake's 8th. I certainly would't call Porcello the best draft pick in the last 10 years.

Good call with Porcello. I don't want to get up in age here, I am strictly looking for Draft Year and Service Time vs Results. Porcello was drafted in 2007, spent 2008 in the MiLB and had 14 wins at the MLB level in 2 full years of service since drafted.

 

[seitas]

Again, Lincecum was the 10th overall pick in 2006, won a Cy-Young in each of his first two full seasons......so one by the end of his second season, now a four time All-Star, and a post season MVP. He's had a much bigger impact than Leake and drafted at a lower slot.

But Mike Leake has thrown 250 innings and has won 17 games while compiling a 4 era. If that doesn't scream # 3 starter I don't know what does. Take your world series winning ace and his cy young awards back to SF.

 

[bradical]

Again, Lincecum was the 10th overall pick in 2006, won a Cy-Young in each of his first two full seasons......so one by the end of his second season, now a four time All-Star, and a post season MVP. He's had a much bigger impact than Leake and drafted at a lower slot.

Again, not arguing against any of those points.

 

[bradical]

But Mike Leake has thrown 250 innings and has won 17 games while compiling a 4 era. If that doesn't scream # 3 starter I don't know what does. Take your world series winning ace and his cy young awards back to SF.

Hey guy, I am not trying to disprove any of these as incorrect, I was looking for more draftees in the last 10 years who have had a more productive draft-date to MLB service time than Leake.

 

[sportscardtheory]

What about Rick Porcello? He's a year younger, has 18 more wins and was picked 27th overall to Leake's 8th. I certainly would't call Porcello the best draft pick in the last 10 years.

Good call with Porcello. I don't want to get up in age here, I am strictly looking for Draft Year and Service Time vs Results. Porcello was drafted in 2007, spent 2008 in the MiLB and had 14 wins at the MLB level in 2 full years of service since drafted.

I think age has a lot more to do with it than anything. Who cares what he has done in 2 seasons when he's already 23 years old. Players like Porcello, Felix Hernandez and C.C. Sabathia did more than Leake at younger ages, irregardless of how fast Leake made the Majors.

 

[seitas]

Again, Lincecum was the 10th overall pick in 2006, won a Cy-Young in each of his first two full seasons......so one by the end of his second season, now a four time All-Star, and a post season MVP. He's had a much bigger impact than Leake and drafted at a lower slot.

Again, not arguing against any of those points.

Mike Leake isn't even in the same league as Lincecum. I don't even know that you can make an argument, that isn't ridiculous, that he is a top 10 draft pick over the last ten years...even with the criteria you're considering. His two seam fastball is impressive but your hyperbole was overdone.

 

[bradical]

I think age has a lot more to do with it than anything. Who cares what he has done in 2 seasons when he's already 23 years old. Players like Porcello, Felix Hernandez and C.C. Sabathia did more than Leake at younger ages, irregardless of how fast Leake made the Majors.

There are plenty of people have done more than Leake at a younger age, I am not trying to argue that. What I am saying is that I think we are going to start seeing an increased value placed on draft picks who have been in college for 4-years, performed at a high-level, and as a result are drafted high for instant help with their big league club.

Is there more value in instant results from a draft pick, versus having them spend 1-2 years in the minors and bring them up after that?

 

[ronfromfresno]

But Mike Leake has thrown 250 innings and has won 17 games while compiling a 4 era. If that doesn't scream # 3 starter I don't know what does. Take your world series winning ace and his cy young awards back to SF.

Hey guy, I am not trying to disprove any of these as incorrect, I was looking for more draftees in the last 10 years who have had a more productive draft-date to MLB service time than Leake.

Lincecum was drafted in June 2006, had 7 wins in 2007 and 150 K's and then won the Cy-Young with 18 wins and 265 k's in 2008......

Leake was signed in 2009 and at this point has 17 wins and 174 k's......both severally pale to Lincecum's numbers in his first two seasons. So Lincecum is a better draft pick in the last 10 years.

 

[seitas]

Can anyone name a player in any sport that entered the league playing for a sub 500 team and in their first three full seasons won the two highest individual awards available, a team championship and the MVP for said championship?
Thats a real argument. What has Mike Leake done that compares even remotely to Lincecum?

 

[cgilmo]

Read the title, instantly thought....

nope.



moved on

 

[bradical]

Read the title, instantly thought....

nope.

Anyone got any others than Lincecum, Kershaw, and Porcello who have had instant success after draft dates?

 

[TomMurry]

Can anyone name a player in any sport that entered the league playing for a sub 500 team and in their first three full seasons won the two highest individual awards available, a team championship and the MVP for said championship?
Thats a real argument. What has Mike Leake done that compares even remotely to Lincecum?

Roethlisberger I think comes closest.

 

[bradical]

Read the title, instantly thought...

idiot.

moved on

Thanks, dick.

 

[Topnotchsy]

Read the title, instantly thought....

nope.

Anyone got any others than Lincecum, Kershaw, and Porcello who have had instant success after draft dates?

I think the issue is that you took fair obscure set of criteria to make a judgment call, and was not all that clear about what you were talking about, so people read in that you are saying that Leake is one of the best pitchers in baseball, or that the beginning of his career has been better than Lincecum, Kershaw, etc.

I think that based on the criteria (impact in the MLB shortly after he was drafted) Leake rates highly, but honestly, I'm not really sure why considering such a "stat" would be worthwhile? Interesting though.

 

[bradical]

I think that based on the criteria (impact in the MLB shortly after he was drafted) Leake rates highly, but honestly, I'm not really sure why considering such a "stat" would be worthwhile? Interesting though.

Not necessarily a stat, but an interesting trend.

Topic came to mind with all of the Trevor Bauer talk and why Arizona drafted him where they did. Basically because they thought he was MLB ready and could be in Arizona by September. So, is this going to become a trend for drafts in the years to come? A player that has instant impact abilities being drafted higher than "work in progress" or overall potential.

 

[Topnotchsy]

I think that based on the criteria (impact in the MLB shortly after he was drafted) Leake rates highly, but honestly, I'm not really sure why considering such a "stat" would be worthwhile? Interesting though.

Not necessarily a stat, but an interesting trend.

Topic came to mind with all of the Trevor Bauer talk and why Arizona drafted him where they did. Basically because they thought he was MLB ready and could be in Arizona by September. So, is this going to become a trend for drafts in the years to come? A player that has instant impact abilities being drafted higher than "work in progress" or overall potential.

I hear that. I did not really think of it that way because I was considering that the cost of having a player in the Minors is negligible and because it takes 99% of guys a while to get to the Majors, I assumed most teams do not even consider it when drafting.