Jesus Montero traded for Pineda

[jbone17]

Every player that is traded has a fresh start with a new team. Honestly, I like these deals the Yankees have made. They were deep at catcher position and Montero hasn't been projected to be the catcher for them for a while now. With Pineda, I see good things. He's got a better than average lineup to be able to score runs for him and the defense is pretty good too. Again, he has a fresh start. The Yanks signing Kuroda is a pretty sound move. He's put up solid numbers even if his "W-L" stat doesn't indicate it. I think signing him is better than investing in some of the guys they have in recent years like Pavano, Wright, Brown, and a few others.

Lets just wait and see it all unfold!

I actually really like the deals for the Yankees too, but I don't necessarily think Pineda needs a fresh start, rather just building on his season last year and not be the pitcher of 2 halves. Last year he definitely impressed a lot of people, and I think it was definitely a positive overall. It'll be interesting to see him on a big stage, because honestly I think a lot of people who are against this from the Yankees POV didn't see much of him last year, being that his games were over at 1 AM on the east coast and subsequently got little media coverage.

That is my problem with Pineda, but I have always liked his upside. If he can pitch all year round like he did in the second half last season, all my doubts will flutter away lol.

 

[SeattleSports]

"Pineda, first half: 3.14 K/BB. Pineda, second half: 3.16 K/BB. BABIP regression is being translated into him wearing down."

 

[blanning71]

I am not going simply on W/L record. I am simply praying that this trade works out for the better. I hope that Cashman can prove me wrong. Pineda is young and I never said that I completely hate him. I do not like the trade because giving up Montero was too pricey for what we got in return. 2 years ago the Yankees could have had Halladay and now you have Pineda. It is bittersweet lol. I hope I do eat my own words! I really do! When you give up the gem of the system you will by nature have skepticism. The trade does improve the rotation drastically, but the price was to much in my eyes. Let's hope everything works out!

Cashman won't prove you wrong. The players on the field will. And lets not forget, that they tried to get Halladay and they failed to do so. Its not a huge loss for the Yankees. Two years ago, Montero was THE guy on the top of the prospect lists. This past year, he fell down the ladder some. And I don't see how losing a DH is a huge loss for New York. You get two youthful pitchers for a DH. One of those pitchers had a solid season last year for a average/better than average team. I think you're not seeing the whole picture here. What does New York need now? PITCHING. STARTING PITCHING. They got that in this trade and the guys weren't 30-something transplants that have seen better years. I'm a huge skeptic about trades that they have made in the past but this one was an exciting turn with lots of promise for the Bronx.

 

[MacK]

Every player that is traded has a fresh start with a new team. Honestly, I like these deals the Yankees have made. They were deep at catcher position and Montero hasn't been projected to be the catcher for them for a while now. With Pineda, I see good things. He's got a better than average lineup to be able to score runs for him and the defense is pretty good too. Again, he has a fresh start. The Yanks signing Kuroda is a pretty sound move. He's put up solid numbers even if his "W-L" stat doesn't indicate it. I think signing him is better than investing in some of the guys they have in recent years like Pavano, Wright, Brown, and a few others.

Lets just wait and see it all unfold!

I actually really like the deals for the Yankees too, but I don't necessarily think Pineda needs a fresh start, rather just building on his season last year and not be the pitcher of 2 halves. Last year he definitely impressed a lot of people, and I think it was definitely a positive overall. It'll be interesting to see him on a big stage, because honestly I think a lot of people who are against this from the Yankees POV didn't see much of him last year, being that his games were over at 1 AM on the east coast and subsequently got little media coverage.

That is my problem with Pineda, but I have always liked his upside. If he can pitch all year round like he did in the second half last season, all my doubts will flutter away lol.

Well, he's not even 23 yet.. he's still 3 or 4 years away from his peak.

 

[D-Lite]

This thread has become unreadable.

 

[joey12508]

jeter.

 

[SydBarrett]

Can a Yankees fan, who has an IQ above 90 please explain to me why this trade is bad for them?

They gave up a player who isn't even on their major league roster.

They acquired a pitcher, who is, at worst, a number three of four starter at the major-league level, and is at best an All-Star ace. They also acquired a top 50 prospect (top 15 pitchers).

 

[elmalo]

I have looked at his stats. He has barely scrapped past .500 in every season that he has pitched. Like I said, hopefully Kuroda and Cashman can prove me wrong. When you give up the best damn prospect in your organization for Pineda and waste 10 million dollars on a 37 year old pitcher, you are prone to have a trace of skepticism right? How am a posting nonsense by the way? The stats that I have posted are facts. I am all for these moves IF they work and by looking at things right now, I am skeptical. I eat crow in every post huh? I don't think so.

Which pitcher would you rather have?

Player A) 13-16 3.07 ERA, 161 K's, 1.21 WHIP, .254 BAA
Player B) 16-4 3.70 ERA, 98 K's, 1.33 WHIP, .258 BAA

If you answered B, you are a Yankee fan.

Player A is Kuroda, player B is Nova. Player A had a significantly better season. Please just stop looking at W/L... It's painful.

Kuroda was also pitching in a much frendlier park for a pitcher and against much weaker lineups.

 

[Joshua.Roundtree]

[sarcasm]I love Yankees fans, they are SO knowledgable about the game, smartest fans in baseball by far.[/sarcasm]

You have to give up something of value to get something of value. I've probably read 90% of this thread and there have been some ridiculous posts. Including the poster who claims the Yankees could have given up two lower tier prospects for Pineda. Ha. You obviously aren't working for a MLB front office. Yankees fans have nothing to worry about with this trade. You gave up one of the most over-hyped prospects EVER and received a solid MLB #3 starter who is under team control for the next 4-5 years (ignoring the Noesi/Campos part of the deal) w/o being arbitration eligible for another 3 seasons. Yankees win BIG on this one.

 

[Wes]

Can a Yankees fan, who has an IQ above 90 please explain to me why this trade is bad for them?

They gave up a player who isn't even on their major league roster.

They acquired a pitcher, who is, at worst, a number three of four starter at the major-league level, and is at best an All-Star ace. They also acquired a top 50 prospect (top 15 pitchers).

I'm not a Yankee fan but your facts are wrong and your logic here makes no sense. Montero was on the major league roster, he played in the playoffs.

Aside from that, the logic that by not being on a major league roster somehow makes you not worth a player who is on a roster is beyond ridiculous.

Finally, Campos is not even close to being a top 50 prospect, let alone a top 15 pitching prospect.

 

[D-Lite]

[sarcasm]I love Yankees fans, they are SO knowledgable about the game, smartest fans in baseball by far.[/sarcasm]

You have to give up something of value to get something of value. I've probably read 90% of this thread and there have been some ridiculous posts. Including the poster who claims the Yankees could have given up two lower tier prospects for Pineda. Ha. You obviously aren't working for a MLB front office. Yankees fans have nothing to worry about with this trade. You gave up one of the most over-hyped prospects EVER and received a solid MLB #3 starter who is under team control for the next 4-5 years (ignoring the Noesi/Campos part of the deal) w/o being arbitration eligible for another 3 seasons. Yankees win BIG on this one.

Please don't group all Yankee fans together. It's like grouping all Red Sox fans together, even though they're all Sully's....

 

[blanning71]

[sarcasm]I love Yankees fans, they are SO knowledgable about the game, smartest fans in baseball by far.[/sarcasm]

You have to give up something of value to get something of value. I've probably read 90% of this thread and there have been some ridiculous posts. Including the poster who claims the Yankees could have given up two lower tier prospects for Pineda. Ha. You obviously aren't working for a MLB front office. Yankees fans have nothing to worry about with this trade. You gave up one of the most over-hyped prospects EVER and received a solid MLB #3 starter who is under team control for the next 4-5 years (ignoring the Noesi/Campos part of the deal) w/o being arbitration eligible for another 3 seasons. Yankees win BIG on this one.

I have to agree with D-Lite on this. We aren't all homers with limited knowledge. I agree that you do have to give to get. I had figured all along they would move Montero. Hell, a bunch of guys on here called it last year that he would be traded. I'm totally fine with this trade. I feel like both teams got something of value and that both players involved can flourish for their respective teams. I hope so anyway.

 

[ljw29]

Danny Hultzen will start the year in the Mariners rotation. Mark that down.

Danny Hultzen will not have a better year or career than Felix Hernandez. Mark that down.

Never? Thats pretty bold as eventually he has to decline

 

[Wes]

Danny Hultzen will start the year in the Mariners rotation. Mark that down.

Danny Hultzen will not have a better year or career than Felix Hernandez. Mark that down.

Never? Thats pretty bold as eventually he has to decline

I meant next season, but actually even if you phrase it that way, I still might go on that. Felix is only three years older than Hultzen and I'd be comfortable saying that he will be better than him for every year of his career. Would it shock you if a 35 year old Felix was better than a 32 year old Hultzen?

 

[ljw29]

Danny Hultzen will start the year in the Mariners rotation. Mark that down.

Danny Hultzen will not have a better year or career than Felix Hernandez. Mark that down.

Never? Thats pretty bold as eventually he has to decline

I meant next season, but actually even if you phrase it that way, I still might go on that. Felix is only three years older than Hultzen and I'd be comfortable saying that he will be better than him for every year of his career. Would it shock you if a 35 year old Felix was better than a 32 year old Hultzen?

Yep

But time will tell, take Hultzen out I am not a believer in Felix past a couple more years

 

[Wes]

Danny Hultzen will start the year in the Mariners rotation. Mark that down.

Danny Hultzen will not have a better year or career than Felix Hernandez. Mark that down.

Never? Thats pretty bold as eventually he has to decline

I meant next season, but actually even if you phrase it that way, I still might go on that. Felix is only three years older than Hultzen and I'd be comfortable saying that he will be better than him for every year of his career. Would it shock you if a 35 year old Felix was better than a 32 year old Hultzen?

Yep

But time will tell, take Hultzen out I am not a believer in Felix past a couple more years

Just out of curiosity what is it about Felix that you don't believe in? And who are some pitchers that you do believe in?

 

[ljw29]

[quote="solt0131":3xx99ir3]Danny Hultzen will start the year in the Mariners rotation. Mark that down.

Danny Hultzen will not have a better year or career than Felix Hernandez. Mark that down.

Never? Thats pretty bold as eventually he has to decline

I meant next season, but actually even if you phrase it that way, I still might go on that. Felix is only three years older than Hultzen and I'd be comfortable saying that he will be better than him for every year of his career. Would it shock you if a 35 year old Felix was better than a 32 year old Hultzen?

Yep

But time will tell, take Hultzen out I am not a believer in Felix past a couple more years

Just out of curiosity what is it about Felix that you don't believe in? And who are some pitchers that you do believe in?[/quote:3xx99ir3]

His long term ability to maintain at a top pitching level. Like I said time will tell, I like his and Lincecum's game but do not see either being able to maintain it.

 

[KC37]

I'm not reading 20 pages of this. I'll just say, I can't see how Yankee fans could be upset with this trade.
(I know, not all of you are)

As a Sox fan, I'm pretty pissed they were able to pull this off. I think it's a great trade for the Yankees.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

SO how about some real baseball talk in regards to this trade?

Will Montero bat 3rd or 4th?

I'm thinking Ichiro, Ackley, Montero, Gutierrez, Olivo,,,,,then 4 other guys i can't think of right now.

 

[vwnut13]

SO how about some real baseball talk in regards to this trade?

Will Montero bat 3rd or 4th?

I'm thinking Ichiro, Ackley, Montero, Gutierrez, Olivo,,,,,then 4 other guys i can't think of right now.

Justin "cost us pineda" Smoak