Jordan /100

[Gio]

WOW very shocking MICHAEL JORDAN UD 97 SP AUTHENTIC SP PROFILES #54/100 only sold for $580 What's going on here!!! lol

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... MEWAX%3AIT

It was up for a while with a $1,200 BIN and finally sold for $580. Still is a little high imo but it's getting there....

Before they would hype this card for minimum $1500 to $2500+ lol Who knows, maybe the people responsible for that fake hype are in jail now??? :lol:

Did the seller get what he thought was a legit best offer at $580, got happy that he was going to actually get real money out of the deal instead of fake bids??? Did it turn out to be a fake bid after all that he didn't know about??? Whatever the case is, its' back up, but for auction this time around ----------> http://cgi.ebay.com/MICHAEL-JORDAN-UD-9 ... 2a0dff39f6

Why do I have a feeling that they're not going to let it go cheap this time................................ Will this card remain with the seller even though "it sold at auction"??? Will he sell it another 10 times in the near future and record "real" prices???

Make up your own mind.....

 

[emeyeceeone]

Gio...

Serious question, nothing mean spirited here:

Can you name some names (ebay sellers, board members on here or HK or otherwise) who you believe are corrupt and/or conspiring as you believe?

I'm interested in knowing who these people are.

MIKE

 

[Orangejello727]

You just posted a legitimate spx holoview jordan auto redemption that sold on ebay for $300 on your huper royalty site. Now its been relisted again by the same seller. How legit was that sale?

 

[emeyeceeone]

i wasn't aware that it was re-listed until i received a message about it on hobby kings.
see here:
http://www.hobbykings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116637

i have since, deleted the previous price. see updated post.
http://huperoyalty.wordpress.com/2011/0 ... tion-auto/

MIKE

 

[emeyeceeone]

Gio,

how much do you think that Jordan would get in an open auction? you've already stated you wouldn't sell yours, so I'm not asking how much you want for your copy, but rather, what price do you think it would get in an open auction.

I am referencing the 97 Ultra '98 Greats Platinum Medallion /100 card that you posted on page 2.

and i'm still waiting your response on this...

Serious question, nothing mean spirited here:

Can you name some names (ebay sellers, board members on here or HK or otherwise) who you believe are corrupt and/or conspiring as you believe?

I'm interested in knowing who these people are.

MIKE

 

[emeyeceeone]

bump for gio.

 

[Gio]

Sorry for the late reply MIKE, been busy... But thanks for bumping this thread just for me, I feel special.

You know exactly what i'm talking about, and you know exactly the people i'm talking about, especially that liar that you have on your website with author privileges!!! The idiot that posts Jordan PMG RED's/100 for $25,000.00...

Funny the last time I told people on this board to watch out for the same exact serial numbering on the cards he lists, and list again, and again..... Then the next time he listed a Jordan PMG on ebay it was a different serial number!!! What a big surprise... That means he must be readig this thread. And since he is reading this thread he might want to go a little back and read where I said that this whole Jordan insert fake hype is about people with a bunch of the same cards(HIM) trying to make FAKE sales on ebay, then they(HE) can post them on YOUR awesome price site, and BAM!!! You got yourself some fake prices where people can get suckered into paying....

So thanks to that idiot for proving my other "theory" correct, where this is nothing more than a few idiots who own multiple of the same card trying to build fake hype, and he is ONE of them! Just when I told people right here in this thread to watch out for the same exact card with the same serial number being sold a million times, BAM, he lists another PMG with a DIFFERENT serial number on ebay, which only proves he has MULTIPLE and is part of the problem with FAKE PRICES!!!

You have 50 PMG's that's great for you, awesome!!! Just don't go around making a circus with your fake listings, fake prices "documented" on your site...............

So yeah MIKE, thanks again for bumping this thread just for Gio..... You asked for it so here I am just for you and the awesoe people you have on your awesome site!

BTW, are you also one of the people who "doesn't" have a million Jordan inserts? I bet you don't have any right, you just like to document prices and love and enjoy so much to look at the great pictures of the beautiful cards all in one place ::facepalm:: as you've stated in the past....... You just enjooy looking at all the cards and like to have a photo library.... Yeah ok.

Good day!

 

[Gio]

Oh my goodness, I am SHOCKED!!! Right after I made the above post I deceided to search around ebay and what do know... He listed one for ONLY $5,000.00 this time, WOW!

It's way below the $25,000.00 mark, but waaaaaay above the $350 to $550 it was selling for before all this FAKE hype, with FAKE sale and FAKE documentation of prices began...

Before he would list this same card, Jordan PMG Red/100, but it was serial number 045/100 and this current one is 018/100 which I will include a link below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Jordan-97-9 ... 3f0954b807

I don't care if this guy or anybody else has 20 of these cards, all I ask is don't make up a bunch of BS... Of course my request will do nothing to stop it, because they will continue to make fake sales and document those fake sales and sucker people in...

Am I saying this guy is scamming with that listing? NO! Just follow everything that's going on with ebay auctions and make up your own mind.

If you see this 5K card all of a sudden get a $3800.00 offer is it "sells" and then you see that price on the Royalty price website has a selling price, and then you see this same exact card with the same serial numbering selling another half a dozen times.... then wouldn't you say there's something up? Let's watch and see what happens......

This guy is the biggest liar may I add and he knows exactly what i'm talking about! Remember going on the PSA boards pretending you were your father....? You know it's only YOU behind your PSA Forum account, ebay and everything else, so why lie about that? I always knew something wasn't right with you but whatever... And don't even get me started, because if you want me to go digging around for threads I know exactly were to get them.

Let's just watch ebay for Jordan activity and make up our own mind. There's no need for anybody to listen to any I or anybody says, just watch it for yourself!

 

[emeyeceeone]

gio.. thanks for those two posts.

for anyone interested, he is talking about hobbykings member gonblott, who goes by sound-intel on ebay.

those two posts FAILED to answer my question that i asked you though. refer to the last post on page 3 of this thread.

i dont own any jordan cards, so im not involved in any scam you are talking about. my ebay user name is : emeyeceeone. feel free to see my history.

STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION FROM PAGE 3 OF THIS THREAD.

 

[emeyeceeone]

also, gonblott has NEVER posted anything on hupe royalty. search his name on the site, you won't find anything he has contributed on there.

 

[emeyeceeone]

im not going to defend gonblott, as that is definitely something between the two of you that happened before i ever became a member on hobby kings. i dont know all the details, so that battle between you and him is not my concern.

i will say however, that many sellers list outrageous BIN/BO prices. just cause they list them as such does not mean it is going to sell. i could ask a million dollars for a coffee mug, that doesn't mean that it is the value of it. who cares what he lists it for. a buyer, if one comes along, will offer what they want, and it is up to the seller to choose to accept it or not.

 

[emeyeceeone]

Gio,

how much do you think that Jordan would get in an open auction? you've already stated you wouldn't sell yours, so I'm not asking how much you want for your copy, but rather, what price do you think it would get in an open auction.

I am referencing the 97 Ultra '98 Greats Platinum Medallion /100 card that you posted on page 2.

and i'm still waiting your response on this...

Serious question, nothing mean spirited here:

Can you name some names (ebay sellers, board members on here or HK or otherwise) who you believe are corrupt and/or conspiring as you believe?

I'm interested in knowing who these people are.

MIKE

 

[Gio]

First off I don't need to answer anything! The scammers, "whoever" that might be should be doing the answering...

But if you're refering to my Jordan, the answer is simple. It's not for sale. Why do you want me to guess the selling price on it? what does that matter? It's not for sale period. I would imagine it would have sold for about $300 to $500 in auction before the fake hype... Now? Who knows, but don't care anyways because it's staying with me!

Maybe I should list it on ebay for $50,000.00 and have a friend of mine offer me $5,500.00 for it! Wait I forgot, I don't do that!!!

 

[Gio]

I'll post it again just for you, because you feel the need to keep posting so that my post gets burried, so here it is again just for you!

Sorry for the late reply MIKE, been busy... But thanks for bumping this thread just for me, I feel special.

You know exactly what i'm talking about, and you know exactly the people i'm talking about, especially that liar that you have on your website with author privileges!!! The idiot that posts Jordan PMG RED's/100 for $25,000.00...

Funny the last time I told people on this board to watch out for the same exact serial numbering on the cards he lists, and list again, and again..... Then the next time he listed a Jordan PMG on ebay it was a different serial number!!! What a big surprise... That means he must be readig this thread. And since he is reading this thread he might want to go a little back and read where I said that this whole Jordan insert fake hype is about people with a bunch of the same cards(HIM) trying to make FAKE sales on ebay, then they(HE) can post them on YOUR awesome price site, and BAM!!! You got yourself some fake prices where people can get suckered into paying....

So thanks to that idiot for proving my other "theory" correct, where this is nothing more than a few idiots who own multiple of the same card trying to build fake hype, and he is ONE of them! Just when I told people right here in this thread to watch out for the same exact card with the same serial number being sold a million times, BAM, he lists another PMG with a DIFFERENT serial number on ebay, which only proves he has MULTIPLE and is part of the problem with FAKE PRICES!!!

You have 50 PMG's that's great for you, awesome!!! Just don't go around making a circus with your fake listings, fake prices "documented" on your site...............

So yeah MIKE, thanks again for bumping this thread just for Gio..... You asked for it so here I am just for you and the awesoe people you have on your awesome site!

BTW, are you also one of the people who "doesn't" have a million Jordan inserts? I bet you don't have any right, you just like to document prices and love and enjoy so much to look at the great pictures of the beautiful cards all in one place as you've stated in the past....... You just enjooy looking at all the cards and like to have a photo library.... Yeah ok.

Good day!


and here's my second post just in case there's anything extra in there....

Oh my goodness, I am SHOCKED!!! Right after I made the above post I deceided to search around ebay and what do know... He listed one for ONLY $5,000.00 this time, WOW!

It's way below the $25,000.00 mark, but waaaaaay above the $350 to $550 it was selling for before all this FAKE hype, with FAKE sale and FAKE documentation of prices began...

Before he would list this same card, Jordan PMG Red/100, but it was serial number 045/100 and this current one is 018/100 which I will include a link below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Michael-Jordan-97-9 ... 3f0954b807

I don't care if this guy or anybody else has 20 of these cards, all I ask is don't make up a bunch of BS... Of course my request will do nothing to stop it, because they will continue to make fake sales and document those fake sales and sucker people in...

Am I saying this guy is scamming with that listing? NO! Just follow everything that's going on with ebay auctions and make up your own mind.

If you see this 5K card all of a sudden get a $3800.00 offer is it "sells" and then you see that price on the Royalty price website has a selling price, and then you see this same exact card with the same serial numbering selling another half a dozen times.... then wouldn't you say there's something up? Let's watch and see what happens......

This guy is the biggest liar may I add and he knows exactly what i'm talking about! Remember going on the PSA boards pretending you were your father....? You know it's only YOU behind your PSA Forum account, ebay and everything else, so why lie about that? I always knew something wasn't right with you but whatever... And don't even get me started, because if you want me to go digging around for threads I know exactly were to get them.

Let's just watch ebay for Jordan activity and make up our own mind. There's no need for anybody to listen to any I or anybody says, just watch it for yourself!

im not going to defend gonblott, as that is definitely something between the two of you that happened before i ever became a member on hobby kings. i dont know all the details, so that battle between you and him is not my concern.

i will say however, that many sellers list outrageous BIN/BO prices. just cause they list them as such does not mean it is going to sell. i could ask a million dollars for a coffee mug, that doesn't mean that it is the value of it. who cares what he lists it for. a buyer, if one comes along, will offer what they want, and it is up to the seller to choose to accept it or not.

If you read carefully you will get your answer, because you know exactly what i'm saying and you know that i'm talking about people getting FAKE offers on their items and preteding that it sold for that, to later see the same exact cards selling again!!! Then people who don't know any better fall for the fake sales.................... No need to play dumb here.

PEOPLE JUST READ BACK POSTS AND YOU'LL BE UP TO DATE!

 

[emeyeceeone]

ahh...

i give up on debating with you. you offer no facts or are willing to state what "you know" to share with other people, other people who MIGHT benefit from your knowledge of people you believe to be corrupt.

you have your opinions and i have mine. it is what it is.

and again, i wasn't asking how much you would sell your card for. you already stated that a few times. i was asking your opinion on how much you think market value is for that card. there are 100 copies of that card, so there are 99 other versions that might be available. you seem to be pretty confident at gauging 'real' market value for jordan inserts, so i was just asking for your insights on that. i dont understand why offering your opinion is such a difficult task for you.

my guess is it would sell for for about $600-$750 based on this sale i recorded of the platinum medallion of the base card. since yours is a subset version, i think it would sell for less. i might be close, i might be wayyy off. its just a guess though.

97 Ultra Platinum Medallion /100 $960.23 10/13/10

 

[JOEMLM]

if that sale was legit then i would sell one or more of my older low number jordans as well

one reason i left ebay is the shill bidding and price fixing

the same seller will either resell it himself, on another account he owns or a friend will sell it on his, and then buy it back with the original account and be for sale at some point again on the original account... i have seen some cards for sale, for a year or longer, one card i followed was 2 and half years on 3 different ebay accounts, just kept going back and forth until it was traded in 2009 on another forum for far, far less than all those of those ebay sale prices it got, that one card sold over 20 times i believe and only had the same three sellers every time, and each of those accounts did get shut down eventually i believe

just remember, if you see shill pidding, fake auto's and/ or fake patches, report the item and the sellers, that is the only way they get shut down, and please do not use foul language if you talk to ebay and or paypal, you can get mad, just do not get too mad, those kinds of complaints seem to get ignored js

 

[Orangejello727]

im not going to defend gonblott, as that is definitely something between the two of you that happened before i ever became a member on hobby kings. i dont know all the details, so that battle between you and him is not my concern.

i will say however, that many sellers list outrageous BIN/BO prices. just cause they list them as such does not mean it is going to sell. i could ask a million dollars for a coffee mug, that doesn't mean that it is the value of it. who cares what he lists it for. a buyer, if one comes along, will offer what they want, and it is up to the seller to choose to accept it or not.

I dont think thats the issue. Atleast not for me. What I have an issue with is when that mug does sell for 1 million dollars. THen you blog about how a mug sold for 1 million dollars on ebay. Now those reading your blog assume the new standard for a going mug is as much as 1 million dollars. Then that notion gets passed around trading forums and amongst collectors. "What do you want for that mug?" "Well duhh...last one on ebay sold for 1 million. Give me 700k". That notion of blogging a sale for 1 million could have been fruitless for all we know. An attempt to set a market price and here we are using it as a guide to latest market prices. Thats what I hate.

 

[emeyeceeone]

wbonus

I got you.

The thing is, I feel like I'm being crucified for my site from you and gio. I DON'T feel like I owe anything to either of you (no offense) to change my blog because of your opinions about it. I DO think that I it is better than having nothing to guide collectors even if it has some flaws, because I don't analyze each and every single auction data I post.

However, there are hundreds of blogs online, and I HIGHLY doubt that my site sets any kind of market. I am in no way forcing people to use it as their basis when they make their purchases online. I think I've stated that many many many times. If they choose to use the information to make a decision, then great, but if they don't, they don't.

Technically I could make all the price information that I blog about private and only open it up (via password) to those who WANT to view the data, so that you, Gio or anyone else who thinks it is negative to post the information for all to view. I think that would defeat the purpose of sharing information for free though.

I don't see posts about people complaining when ebay sellers put beckett BV on the titles of their auctions. To me, THAT, is more price fixing than anything, because it is setting a value that is false. It has been known for years that beckett's numbers can be wildly off when ascertaining the value of a card, yet people continue to use the BV's in their ebay titles.

 

[Orangejello727]

wbonus

I got you.

The thing is, I feel like I'm being crucified for my site from you and gio. I DON'T feel like I owe anything to either of you (no offense) to change my blog because of your opinions about it. I DO think that I it is better than having nothing to guide collectors even if it has some flaws, because I don't analyze each and every single auction data I post.

However, there are hundreds of blogs online, and I HIGHLY doubt that my site sets any kind of market. I am in no way forcing people to use it as their basis when they make their purchases online. I think I've stated that many many many times. If they choose to use the information to make a decision, then great, but if they don't, they don't.

Technically I could make all the price information that I blog about private and only open it up (via password) to those who WANT to view the data, so that you, Gio or anyone else who thinks it is negative to post the information for all to view. I think that would defeat the purpose of sharing information for free though.

I don't see posts about people complaining when ebay sellers put beckett BV on the titles of their auctions. To me, THAT, is more price fixing than anything, because it is setting a value that is false. It has been known for years that beckett's numbers can be wildly off when ascertaining the value of a card, yet people continue to use the BV's in their ebay titles.

You are correct in saying that beckett values given can be way off. And to associate that in an auction to prelude the notion that a certain card is worth $*** because it was written in a guide. But how is that any different than what you do... when you quote the sales of auctions that never happend? You are in a sense doing exactly what beckett does. If one is wrong how is the other right?

 

[emeyeceeone]

well, the data that i blog about comes DIRECTLY from the completed auctions listings on eBay.
If the data is wrong, then that is eBay's fault. Unfortunately I cannot verify each and every completed auction.

I guess that the easiest thing for me to say is Buyer Beware if using Hupe Royalty as any kind of reference.