Just sold for 410... TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

[iphoner111]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Coltsfan: so many better prospects? who would you say is better just wondering?

 

[AKA Coastal]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

so 2-3 more dominant starts and he will be back up where he was with room to grow and a call up to the majors with good starts with even more room the grow

No no. You see.. his big growth has already happened.

Already.. as in... you've missed the boat. What everyone is trying to tell you is that your margin of return is pretty minimal right now. If he DOES happen to get a call up AND has a FEW (i.e. not 1) dominant starts, then you MAY see a $50 - $100 profit on that card.

You'd be looking at sitting on that card for a few months, maybe. Heck, maybe you'll luck out, and he'll come up and throw a no hitter! Odds of that happening? Slim.... but it could happen!

1 start will do it. If he his debut in the majors is like his first start in the minors this year you would see a pretty big jump. I'm not saying if this is a good buy or not. I haven't been following Hanson's stuff.

 

[moxacaine]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Coltsfan: so many better prospects? who would you say is better just wondering?

Im pretty sure he meant better buys.

 

[Johan Santana 57]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Coltsfan: so many better prospects? who would you say is better just wondering?

better prospects for the money

Sure I can go buy wieters elites at 300 or whatever they get, but that wouldnt be smart. Now if I bought in when they were 100, that'd be good to have, but you shouldnt buy wieters or hanson or highend guys now.

 

[coltsfan23]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Coltsfan: so many better prospects? who would you say is better just wondering?

Im pretty sure he meant better buys.

You're correct. That is what I meant.

 

[A_Pharis]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

I think the moral of this story is:

A poor title does not make a steal -- as other people will probably stumble upon that mistake, too. Pretty soon, you have enough people watching it to make it comparable to a perfectly-worded auction. Completed auctions are your friend and often times help you price a steal.

Oh, and if you have to ask if it's a steal... chances are...

 

[aw00d05]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Coltsfan: so many better prospects? who would you say is better just wondering?

Doesn't really matter who's better, it's the price...Even if he wins his 1st 3 starts it won't go up much, you could easily go buy 10 lower end orange's of buys who people don't know about, and let's say 5 quadruple in price from $25 to $100 because of a good year, then you just made your money back like that and if you choose good you can easily double your money because you buy when nobody knows about them.

 

[flightposite]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

I think the moral of this story is:

A poor title does not make a steal -- as other people will probably stumble upon that mistake, too. Pretty soon, you have enough people watching it to make it comparable to a perfectly-worded auction. Completed auctions are your friend and often times help you price a steal.

Oh, and if you have to ask if it's a steal... chances are...

This isn't even really a poor title. As long as the name is right, people will find the auction quite easily. Not to mention that there is now a nice fat picture next to all auction titles.

 

[Jays_Cards]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Man, I love seeing "prospecting" turned into an entirely convoluted, completely inaccurate "science" by a large number of teenage kids. I know that not everyone that has posted in this thread fits this description, but rehashing inaccurate arguments that you have read from someone else before does not make you an authority on a subject. I am not claiming superiority over anyone, but its absolutely ridiculous to read some of the garbage on these boards.

With that said, do I think this was a great buy? No, I dont. Do I think hammering someone over a pickup citing a real-world business statistic such as "ROI" (which is really ROIC, not ROI) that is seldom used outside of these boards is justifiable? No, I dont.

 

[iphoner111]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Lol i guess we will see when i start this thread back up in 3 months to see if it truly was one

 

[A_Pharis]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

I know it wasn't directed at me, J_C (as I was just trying to let him know that, compared to prior sales, it was not a steal), but ROIC and ROI are pretty much interchangeable as "Return on investment" and "Return on invested capital" mean the same thing. ROI was used much more often than ROIC in all of my business courses, and it was my major.

 

[Jays_Cards]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

I know it wasn't directed at me, J_C (as I was just trying to let him know that, compared to prior sales, it was not a steal), but ROIC and ROI are pretty much interchangeable as "Return on investment" and "Return on invested capital" mean the same thing. ROI was used much more often than ROIC in all of my business courses, and it was my major.

No, it was not directed at you. Im not trying to say that you, or your professors, are wrong, but the GAAP term is ROIC. ROI is shorthand, but is not actually correct.

 

[flightposite]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Man, I love seeing "prospecting" turned into an entirely convoluted, completely inaccurate "science" by a large number of teenage kids. I know that not everyone that has posted in this thread fits this description, but rehashing inaccurate arguments that you have read from someone else before does not make you an authority on a subject. I am not claiming superiority over anyone, but its absolutely ridiculous to read some of the garbage on these boards.

With that said, do I think this was a great buy? No, I dont. Do I think hammering someone over a pickup citing a real-world business statistic such as "ROI" (which is really ROIC, not ROI) that is seldom used outside of these boards is justifiable? No, I dont.

A-Greed.

 

[jarjar23]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Hanson hasnt reached his ceiling. Morton will be called up- they wont rush Hanson. 4-5 more dominant starts in the minors, and his stuff will just get hotter in anticipation for a summer callup as he climbs the BA hot sheet. Hes improved at every level hes gotten to- no reason to think he wont do it in the majors...

 

[A_Pharis]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

[quote="A_Pharis":27emhdl4]I know it wasn't directed at me, J_C (as I was just trying to let him know that, compared to prior sales, it was not a steal), but ROIC and ROI are pretty much interchangeable as "Return on investment" and "Return on invested capital" mean the same thing. ROI was used much more often than ROIC in all of my business courses, and it was my major.

No, it was not directed at you. Im not trying to say that you, or your professors, are wrong, but the GAAP term is ROIC. ROI is shorthand, but is not actually correct.[/quote:27emhdl4]

Depends on the context of the matter. ROI actually refers to items turned over in a shorter time frame or smaller scale where ROIC generally refers to a net income on investment as related to total capital. Now.. had he purchased 500 Hansons and used that as his total means of capital... that'd be a different story.

Tom-AY-to, tom-AH-to.

Regardless, as J_C surely knows his business... he does have a point. It's much easier to explain the concept of steals without trying to make it sound corporate.

 

[coltsfan23]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Hanson hasnt reached his ceiling. Morton will be called up- they wont rush Hanson. 4-5 more dominant starts in the minors, and his stuff will just get hotter in anticipation for a summer callup as he climbs the BA hot sheet. Hes improved at every level hes gotten to- no reason to think he wont do it in the majors...

That wasn't the point... The point was that there are a lot of better investments of even Hanson than this card; not that this card WILL not absolutely 100% go up.

Regardless, I think this discussion is done as Jay's Cards thinks it is a pointless conversation, though ROI vs. ROIC is apparently not.

 

[Jays_Cards]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

[quote="Jays_Cards":1s225asw][quote="A_Pharis":1s225asw]I know it wasn't directed at me, J_C (as I was just trying to let him know that, compared to prior sales, it was not a steal), but ROIC and ROI are pretty much interchangeable as "Return on investment" and "Return on invested capital" mean the same thing. ROI was used much more often than ROIC in all of my business courses, and it was my major.

No, it was not directed at you. Im not trying to say that you, or your professors, are wrong, but the GAAP term is ROIC. ROI is shorthand, but is not actually correct.[/quote:1s225asw]

Depends on the context of the matter. ROI actually refers to items turned over in a shorter time frame or smaller scale where ROIC generally refers to a net income on investment as related to total capital. Now.. had he purchased 500 Hansons and used that as his total means of capital... that'd be a different story.

Tom-AY-to, tom-AH-to.

Regardless, as J_C surely knows his business... he does have a point. It's much easier to explain the concept of steals without trying to make it sound corporate.[/quote:1s225asw]

Hehe, I love business discussions. Capital turns is a more commonly seen term for what you are terming ROI. I will let the small difference between them slip as, in practice, the ROIC/ROI and ROI/Capital turns are commonly substituted for each other. Regardless, my original post was not directed at you whatsoever. I was merely venting on what I have seen recurring lately in different threads.

 

[A_Pharis]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Hanson hasnt reached his ceiling. Morton will be called up- they wont rush Hanson. 4-5 more dominant starts in the minors, and his stuff will just get hotter in anticipation for a summer callup as he climbs the BA hot sheet. Hes improved at every level hes gotten to- no reason to think he wont do it in the majors...

That wasn't the point... The point was that there are a lot of better investments of even Hanson than this card; not that this card WILL not absolutely 100% go up.

Regardless, I think this discussion is done as Jay's Cards thinks it is a pointless conversation, though ROI vs. ROIC is apparently not.

In all fairness, I kind of called out J_C on that, but I did it to poke at him... not to detract from his point. I think anything beyond "it's not a steal" in this thread is pretty pointless since that's all the OP asked.

 

[A_Pharis]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Hehe, I love business discussions. Capital turns is a more commonly seen term for what you are terming ROI. I will let the small difference between them slip as, in practice, the ROIC/ROI and ROI/Capital turns are commonly substituted for each other. Regardless, my original post was not directed at you whatsoever. I was merely venting on what I have seen recurring lately in different threads.

:-D

It's okay to vent.

Let it out.


Then, let's hug it ou... oh, wait.

 

[coltsfan23]

Re: Was this a steal for me? TOMMY HANSON ORANGE 9.5?

Hanson hasnt reached his ceiling. Morton will be called up- they wont rush Hanson. 4-5 more dominant starts in the minors, and his stuff will just get hotter in anticipation for a summer callup as he climbs the BA hot sheet. Hes improved at every level hes gotten to- no reason to think he wont do it in the majors...

That wasn't the point... The point was that there are a lot of better investments of even Hanson than this card; not that this card WILL not absolutely 100% go up.

Regardless, I think this discussion is done as Jay's Cards thinks it is a pointless conversation, though ROI vs. ROIC is apparently not.

In all fairness, I kind of called out J_C on that, but I did it to poke at him... not to detract from his point. I think anything beyond "it's not a steal" in this thread is pretty pointless since that's all the OP asked.

Touche. I mean I always thought ROI and ROIC were interchangeable as well, so it was interesting to read. I just thought it was a bit hypocritical is all.