Leaf v. Panini - Battle of the PRISMatic.

[notjomommasclint]

Your fat ass never fit in the back of a prizm

Sent from my portable **** viewing device!

She was bigger than me! It was an automatic.. I guess it was a prizmatic..

 

[hofmichael]

She was bigger than me! It was an automatic.. I guess it was a prizmatic..

XXXXing awesome:lol:

 

[All The Hype]

This comment couldn't be further off base. I've already made my comments about the lawsuit, but throwing out bombs like this as if it came from some educated experience is just a joke and a waste of a post.

Every Leaf product I've busted with the exception of the repackaged football stuff has all been profitable for me or will be very soon. I'll share my numbers later this evening if I remember, but I'm up huge on 2011 Valiant, 2012 Metal and Valiant will be profitable with my next few sales (and I have plenty of cards remaining), 2012 Ultimate was a HUGE winner for me (profitable by several hundred dollars with about half the cards left), 2012 Memories was awesome (already in the black and still have more than half the cards left), 2012 Legends of Sports is only a couple cards away from being profitable with most of the cards left.

I am not defending the lawsuit, but I will defend against off based comments like that one. There is a market for these cards and they are made very well...so I'd say BG has figured out how to make cards "worth a damn"...and quite a bit more than that.

I'm glad you've had success, but you're completely missing the point- instead of spending so much time and so many resources taking silly legal action against competitors (and I still can't get past the fact that BG came on here threatening libel suits against FCB members...unbelievable), why not put the time and resources into improving products?

 

[phillyfan0417]

I'm glad you've had success, but you're completely missing the point- instead of spending so much time and so many resources taking silly legal action against competitors (and I still can't get past the fact that BG came on here threatening libel suits against FCB members...unbelievable), why not put the time and resources into improving products?

Well, I think what you call silly some would call being aggressive in protecting your brand. If you were to take your own advice, it seems like you would just leave yourself open to having people push the envelope when it comes to your copyrights and such.

Could be a silly lawsuit but it does let the competition know there could be consequences...

 

[Bob Loblaw]

You know what Leaf products are missing?

Cartoons.

Brian, have you filed a trademark for a ******** clad girl on a baseball card with your Benchwarmers product? Perhaps you should sue.

 

[All The Hype]

Well, I think what you call silly some would call being aggressive in protecting your brand. If you were to take your own advice, it seems like you would just leave yourself open to having people push the envelope when it comes to your copyrights and such.

Could be a silly lawsuit but it does let the competition know there could be consequences...

I wouldn't disagree with you whatsoever under normal circumstances (i.e., if they came up with an original product, name, etc. and took action to protect it), but what makes it silly is exactly what everyone in this thread has already mentioned--the fact that they're going after Panini for the name Leaf is using on a product Leaf did not come up with on its own. Every aspect of the chrome-like coating, different colored parallels, etc. of the Prismatic cards is virtually identical to the Refractor cards Topps has been producing for years. Am I wrong about that?

I don't even have a problem with that. Competition inspires creativity and improvement. But then they go after Panini for essentially the same thing, which makes Leaf look really silly.

 

[notjomommasclint]

But valiant is clearly different than crusades!!! There are..

Different players.. Uhm and they used a thingie instead of a thingiemachigga.. And uhm there are different colors crusades used green.. And valiant uses a bluish yellow.. Valiant is clearly an artistic endeavor never before approached.

In all honesty the best of baseball is some of the most eclectic artistic compiling I've ever seen. To develop all those card designs for one set? Breathtaking creativity!

Overlapping of designs and shared characteristics have always been will always be part of the card world. But suing for sharedish terminology when roughly 5% of your sports product is original content is holding nuts the size of beach balls! Like those really big beach balls!

 

[cstmleather]

So why doesn't Panini sue over the usage of the Crusades design. They clearly own Donruss. That seems more of a straight ripoff than a shortened version of a parallel name. Kinda like those fake Transformers/TMNT that you'd see at the flea markets back in the day.

Panini even released "Crusades" around the same time Leaf released Valiant in the "classic Crusades design". Atleast I think that's how he worded it.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Food for thought...

Items under the eBay searches:

Leaf refractor: 1322
Leaf prismatic: 2107
Leaf prismatic refractor: 461

So, 461 items feel the need to, even though they know it's a "prismatic", still call it a refractor to get additional hits...

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Not since the McDonald's vs. McDowell's have we seen such a brutal battle between industry heavyweights over a name.

 

[Card Magnet]

Food for thought...

Items under the eBay searches:

Leaf refractor: 1322
Leaf prismatic: 2107
Leaf prismatic refractor: 461

So, 461 items feel the need to, even though they know it's a "prismatic", still call it a refractor to get additional hits...

In the lawsuit, Leaf uses things like ebay and Beckett as being grounds for what the hobby refers to their cards (totally ignoring what you pointed out with words like "refractor" being used). In the other thread by [MENTION=2408]Bob Loblaw[/MENTION], Leaf has shown that they have a hand in controlling what Beckett calls their cards, as well as muscling ebay into removing listings they don't like. Therefore, those findings are tainted and are not truly the standards set by the specialists of the hobby.

I found that kind of funny.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

In the lawsuit, Leaf uses things like ebay and Beckett as being grounds for what the hobby refers to their cards (totally ignoring what you pointed out with words like "refractor" being used). In the other thread by @Bob Loblaw, Leaf has shown that they have a hand in controlling what Beckett calls their cards, as well as muscling ebay into removing listings they don't like. Therefore, those findings are tainted and are not truly the standards set by the specialists of the hobby.

I found that kind of funny.

I thought it was ridiculous to include Beckett Marketplace listings in the lawsuit documents - the Beckett Marketplace goes by what the company calls the card and what it's called in Beckett. If Leaf calls it the "Leaf DifractorLoblawisapieceofshiz", then it'll be called the "Leaf DifractorLoblawisapieceofshiz" in the Beckett Marketplace.

 

[Card Magnet]

At the very least, I would buy a couple blasters of Leaf DifractorLoblawisapieceofshiz.

You're on to something woth Difractor. Make the rafractor/prismatic/prizm effect flow both horizontally and vertically! I'm suing any company who does this.



Sent from the FCB Droid app, which means I'm probably on the crapper.

 

[blanning71]

Why don't we all help rename the line of "prism" cards? I will help do my part...

Rainbowmatics
colortastics
paintfractics
whammies
thingamajigs
Big 'uns
Whoo Ha's
spectrumriffics
blookaballs
spectrumtisms


What do you guys think?

 

[notjomommasclint]

Why don't we all help rename the line of "prism" cards? I will help do my part...

Rainbowmatics
colortastics
paintfractics
whammies
thingamajigs
Big 'uns
Whoo Ha's
spectrumriffics
blookaballs
spectrumtisms


What do you guys think?

I like woo ha'smatic


Sent from my motorolla startac.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This is GOLD, Brian, GOLD!

 

[cstmleather]

Unnumberedrefractorprizmsoutsellsleafautosblingmatic

 

[TBTwinsFan]

Why don't we all help rename the line of "prism" cards? I will help do my part...

Rainbowmatics
colortastics
paintfractics
whammies
thingamajigs
Big 'uns
Whoo Ha's
spectrumriffics
blookaballs
spectrumtisms


What do you guys think?

Asthmatics?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Asthmatics?

Nah. Then this guy will sue Leaf..

 

[Card Magnet]

Asthmatics?

Cards so nice they'll take your breath away!