Lee to Phillies

[bigpapiMA32]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

 

[elmalo]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Jeter had nothing to do with it. They offered him a huge contract. He turned it down. Did you expect them to offer him anymore than they did?

 

[KC37]

As a Sox fan, I love this signing. He's not in NY, and he's not even in the AL. And, he didn't give in to MLBPA pressure to just take the most money (you know THAT was going on, too), which I love to see.
And, I have friends that are Phillie fans. So, I'm on your side today, guys. Cheers!

EDIT - Miserable Yankees? I think the Pirates would like to have a word with you outside....

 

[D-Lite]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

 

[rymflaherty]

Seems like a heck of a deal for Phily - if it really is for the 5 years.
Think if he gives you 2-3 years close to his current production, it makes it worth it at 5 years.....7 years not so much.
Plus, personally, pitching in the NL as opposed to the AL East may be best for Lee and his value, especially as he gets into those later years.

 

[elmalo]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

Some people are speculating that he didnt like the way Cashman and Stweinbrenner treated Jeter during the negotiations. So maybe the Yankees did it to themselves.

 

[rymflaherty]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

Some people are speculating that he didnt like the way Cashman and Stweinbrenner treated Jeter during the negotiations. So maybe the Yankees did it to themselves.

That's kind of crazy on Lee's part then if that was the case.
Think that kind of thing is generally over-rated......as a Sox fan, I recall talk the past few years about how badly the organization treated some of the older guys/vets. How they had no problem dumping those kind of guys and whatever.....and how that could hurt them down the line. Judging by this off-season that doesn't seem to be the case.

Seems if you have a competitive team and money to offer......what's going to happen 6 years from now shouldn't be a big issue.

 

[elmalo]

I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

Some people are speculating that he didnt like the way Cashman and Stweinbrenner treated Jeter during the negotiations. So maybe the Yankees did it to themselves.

That's kind of crazy on Lee's part then if that was the case.
Think that kind of thing is generally over-rated......as a Sox fan, I recall talk the past few years about how badly the organization treated some of the older guys/vets. How they had no problem dumping those kind of guys and whatever.....and how that could hurt them down the line. Judging by this off-season that doesn't seem to be the case.

Seems if you have a competitive team and money to offer......what's going to happen 6 years from now shouldn't be a big issue.

I dont know if he would have been concerned about how they would treat him in 6 years. But for the fact that here is Derek Jeter, the heart and soul of the franchise and this is how they treat him.

 

[D-Lite]

[quote="Sweetness":1kitbt9i]I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

Some people are speculating that he didnt like the way Cashman and Stweinbrenner treated Jeter during the negotiations. So maybe the Yankees did it to themselves.

That's kind of crazy on Lee's part then if that was the case.
Think that kind of thing is generally over-rated......as a Sox fan, I recall talk the past few years about how badly the organization treated some of the older guys/vets. How they had no problem dumping those kind of guys and whatever.....and how that could hurt them down the line. Judging by this off-season that doesn't seem to be the case.

Seems if you have a competitive team and money to offer......what's going to happen 6 years from now shouldn't be a big issue.

I dont know if he would have been concerned about how they would treat him in 6 years. But for the fact that here is Derek Jeter, the heart and soul of the franchise and this is how they treat him.[/quote:1kitbt9i]
I don't get this either. What really did they need to do with Jeter? They're paying him WELL above what any other sane team would pay after a subpar season no less. Guy made $189mm over 10 yrs.

 

[js0000001]

This is not good news for the 2011 New York Mets

 

[kdailey4315]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

Who? It's not out there.

Every position is locked up solid other than RF. And Brown is getting the shot there. If he fails, we have Ben Francisco. If that doesn't work, perhaps prospects will be traded for a solid RFer. Until then...

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This is not good news for the 2011 New York Mets

 

[scotty21690]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

"Who needs offense when you have the best staff in the league?"
Signed,
-2010 SF Giants

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

"Who needs offense when you had the best staff in the league?"
Signed,
-2010 SF Giants

Fixed it for ya.

 

[kdailey4315]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

"Who needs offense when you have the best staff in the league?"
Signed,
-2010 SF Giants

The Giants didn't/don't have 60MM+ a year tied up in their staff. I'm not debating the pitching/hitting effectiveness. I was just asking if Philly fans felt the money could have been spent better elsewhere. They already had a dominant staff and now have some questions on offense.

 

[SamHell]

Looks like 5/100 was inaccurate. Deal is apparently 5/120 with some of that deferred and a 6th year at 27.5 that becomes guaranteed if he pitches 200 innings in 2015 or 400 combined in 14/15. Rangers final offer was 6/138 with deferred money and a vesting option for a seventh year at $23. Yankees offers were 6/138 and 7/150'ish.

 

[elmalo]

[quote="D-Lite":2ske0un3]

[quote="Sweetness":2ske0un3]I blame Jeter. The Yankees simply couldn't afford to overpay for Lee. Oh well... the miserable years in N.Y. will continue.

Miserable? They've made the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.

I'm not seeing this either.

Some people are speculating that he didnt like the way Cashman and Stweinbrenner treated Jeter during the negotiations. So maybe the Yankees did it to themselves.

That's kind of crazy on Lee's part then if that was the case.
Think that kind of thing is generally over-rated......as a Sox fan, I recall talk the past few years about how badly the organization treated some of the older guys/vets. How they had no problem dumping those kind of guys and whatever.....and how that could hurt them down the line. Judging by this off-season that doesn't seem to be the case.

Seems if you have a competitive team and money to offer......what's going to happen 6 years from now shouldn't be a big issue.

I dont know if he would have been concerned about how they would treat him in 6 years. But for the fact that here is Derek Jeter, the heart and soul of the franchise and this is how they treat him.[/quote:2ske0un3]
I don't get this either. What really did they need to do with Jeter? They're paying him WELL above what any other sane team would pay after a subpar season no less. Guy made $189mm over 10 yrs.[/quote:2ske0un3]
Cashman disrespected him. He told him to go out and find a better offer. If you dont think that that was disrepecting him than I dont know.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Are there any Philly fans that think this money could have been better used elsewhere? Did they really need another top tier pitcher? That money could have been spent to replace Worth or add some offense.

"Who needs offense when you have the best staff in the league?"
Signed,
-2010 SF Giants

The Giants didn't/don't have 60MM+ a year tied up in their staff. I'm not debating the pitching/hitting effectiveness. I was just asking if Philly fans felt the money could have been spent better elsewhere. They already had a dominant staff and now have some questions on offense.

And again, I ask, where? It's not like 5 tool .280 BA, 30 HR, 20 SB right fielders are falling out of the sky, you know...


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[elmalo]

Pitching is a lot harder, and more expensive to come by, than a good bat. They can go out and get a good bat any time. Guys like Lee arent always available, or as readily available. In my mind, you take the pitching when you can get it. God, how bout how little they will have to use the bullpen with Halladay and Lee in the same rotation. Thats a lot of innings right there.