Lester can't win with this ump..

[MallCopKJ]

[quote="Canocollector#1":uf3f68ya]

Zobrist was already on his way to third, how can you not give him the run????

Because the rule says the runner gets 2 bases based on where he was when the ball was pitched. He could have scored and been in the dugout and would have been sent back to third. Started on 1st, 2 bases gives him 3rd.

No the rule is the ump can decide if the runner would of scored on the play. Its the umps call.

Not when an infielder is the one making the throw. ITs based on where the runner was when the ball was pitched. The runner was on 1st so he gets 2 bases putting him on 3rd.

When Drew motioned to the ump that it was stuck Zobrist was already on 3rd. Its the umps call if he would of scored on the play.[/quote:uf3f68ya]

When the ball leaves play its a dead ball. An infielder made the throw so the only was someone scores if their on 2nd because when an infielder throws a ball out of play the runner can only advance 2 bases from where he was when it was pitched. Bard made the throw and is considered an infielder.

 

[trademhigh]

[quote="Canocollector#1":3g74rc8t]

Zobrist was already on his way to third, how can you not give him the run????

Because the rule says the runner gets 2 bases based on where he was when the ball was pitched. He could have scored and been in the dugout and would have been sent back to third. Started on 1st, 2 bases gives him 3rd.

No the rule is the ump can decide if the runner would of scored on the play. Its the umps call.

Not when an infielder is the one making the throw. ITs based on where the runner was when the ball was pitched. The runner was on 1st so he gets 2 bases putting him on 3rd.

When Drew motioned to the ump that it was stuck Zobrist was already on 3rd. Its the umps call if he would of scored on the play.

When the ball leaves play its a dead ball. An infielder made the throw so the only was someone scores if their on 2nd because when an infielder throws a ball out of play the runner can only advance 2 bases from where he was when it was pitched. Bard made the throw and is considered an infielder.[/quote:3g74rc8t]
I thought he was considered an outfielder! ::facepalm::

 

[andyduke86]

how much you want to bet that that rule is changed in the offseason?

 

[MallCopKJ]

[quote="Canocollector#1":2m2ndkh1]

[quote="cowboysrule48":2m2ndkh1]Zobrist was already on his way to third, how can you not give him the run????

Because the rule says the runner gets 2 bases based on where he was when the ball was pitched. He could have scored and been in the dugout and would have been sent back to third. Started on 1st, 2 bases gives him 3rd.

No the rule is the ump can decide if the runner would of scored on the play. Its the umps call.

Not when an infielder is the one making the throw. ITs based on where the runner was when the ball was pitched. The runner was on 1st so he gets 2 bases putting him on 3rd.

When Drew motioned to the ump that it was stuck Zobrist was already on 3rd. Its the umps call if he would of scored on the play.

When the ball leaves play its a dead ball. An infielder made the throw so the only was someone scores if their on 2nd because when an infielder throws a ball out of play the runner can only advance 2 bases from where he was when it was pitched. Bard made the throw and is considered an infielder.[/quote:2m2ndkh1]
I thought he was considered an outfielder! ::facepalm::[/quote:2m2ndkh1]

LOL well apparently so did everyone else. The rule reads pretty clearly.

 

[MallCopKJ]

how much you want to bet that that rule is changed in the offseason?

It would be pretty hard to at this point. That specific rule is one thats been changed many times and added onto. I guess others realized its got its flaws but that particular part seems to be holding strong in the MLB rules.

 

[andyduke86]

Not at all. It's not right when zobrist had already rounded third while the ball was still rolling yet had to go back to third. Giving umps discretion for situations like that wouldn't be hard at all

 

[KC37]

Not at all. It's not right when zobrist had already rounded third while the ball was still rolling yet had to go back to third. Giving umps discretion for situations like that wouldn't be hard at all

They never mentioned it on the NESN broadcast - maybe you can help me out if they mentioned it on the Tampa feed...

..but SportsCenter this morning says that a fan touched it. If that's the case, then the two-base rule goes into effect, right? That was the first I heard of fan involvement, though, so it might be the SC guys making up stuff, which happens.

 

[cowboysrule48]

Not at all. It's not right when zobrist had already rounded third while the ball was still rolling yet had to go back to third. Giving umps discretion for situations like that wouldn't be hard at all

They never mentioned it on the NESN broadcast - maybe you can help me out if they mentioned it on the Tampa feed...

..but SportsCenter this morning says that a fan touched it. If that's the case, then the two-base rule goes into effect, right? That was the first I heard of fan involvement, though, so it might be the SC guys making up stuff, which happens.

A fan never touched it. The ball rolled and then bounced into an equipment bag. The Tampa guys did a good job of explaining the rule, and apparently the call was correct per the rule book. The rule stated that on a dead ball play like that, the runners advance based on their positions on the bases before the pitch was thrown.

While it was the "correct" call, it was still BS what happened to the Rays. That rule needs to get amended in the offseason. Aybar was rounding second and Zobrist was already half way to home when Drew put his hands in the air. There is a good chance both of them would have scored, but the Zobrist run was in the bag.

I still can't believe that game last night, just glad it turned out alright!