LOGO MAILDAY!! SP Authentic Sanchez, Wells, McCoy, Freeman!!

[Phildo777]

Sorry but this has all gone far enough. I am taking the pics down because there is nothing else I can do about this. Check ebay for the sellers if you want. I bought all the cards on there and they can be seen in completed auctions if you want.

I understand everyone's concern and appreciate the feedback. I have really tried to rectify the situation and I apologize to all for being on the defensive as this is all very disheartening.

I apoplogize for my comments if I offended anyone but I am very angry about this also.


Phil

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

Very nice mail...love the logos...especially the Sanchez!!!

 

[Phildo777]

Thanks a lot!! In was going to go for just a two color Sanchez. However, I bought the Harvin, Freeman and Wells from the same guy. Once he realized I needed the Sanchez he offered to Reebok logo cheaper then he normally would have!! I couldn't pass it up as my set is mostly 3 color patches or logos at least!!

Phil

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Is the McCoy available?

 

[Card Magnet]

:shock:

 

[bradical]

Those are simply stunning!

Those patches also makes me wish UD and other companies would have made a patch database, so people could see what patches look like and you don't get called out as a faker.

Amazing pick-ups.

 

[hawkfandan]

Holy cow - NICE!!!! :shock:

 

[Phildo777]

Bradical- I 100% agree with you. I wish they would make a database and they probably will in due time. I will probably get them graded though. That way they will be able to catch any alterations to the card. They should be able to tell if the patches were altered in any way also.

As for everyone else, thanks a lot. I appreciate the feedback. Like I said, I will get these graded more then likely mainly so they can check for any altercations to the cards.

Phil

 

[dinicon]

The Wells has been altered. I'll post pics as soon as photobucket stops crashing explorer.

EDIT: Here is the original 093/499

Here is the altered 093/499

 

[Phildo777]

God dam it I am so angry right now....... I purchased this one from a guy off ebay. Dinicon..... can you please PM me your link to the original 93/499. I need it to go back to the guy on some of these cards. I am so sick to my stomach if this is true.

 

[dinicon]

PM sent.

Really sorry, hate to bring bad news. I guess that's why we save the pics though. I have hundreds of high end cards archived for this reason...when I buy for my PC, I want as much info as possible.

 

[Phildo777]

Like I said din.... I do appreciate it as it would have come back altered when I graded them more then likely. This is unreal and I have been bitten before in the past..... just not this high off a card. It ain't your fault, and I appreciate you letting me know. Hopefully paypal can do something for me in this instance.

 

[Phildo777]

Alright, just to keep those updated..... I already talked to the guy who sold me the card and he said he will give me a full refund. This is the type of stuff that makes me want to quit trading. I try to put a set together and try to do it right and this is what happens. Thank you though dinicon as if I would have waited I probably would have been stuck with this card. Only this card and the Harvin came from the same lot..... and I would believe the Harvin isnt fake cause it is a redemption.

However, with that said..... I am going to have to get the stuff graded now. I have lost a lot of faith in doing this type of stuff and hopefully the rest of the cards will come back clean from BGS.

I'll keep everyone updated as to what is going on with the Wells and the rest of my stuff. As for now, I just want my money back for the Wells and it seems like the guy will oblige. Out of all the cards I got in this mailday..... the last card I would have suspected was the Beanie Wells. It goes to show that people don't only fake logos but will fake color patches too.

I am very VERY disheartened by this as I have spent a lot of money on Ebay trying to bring this set together.

Phil

 

[mrwhitesox30]

Did they use more than one jersey for each card? The only reason I ask is that the Josh Freeman patch looks like it's on a red jersey, but it looks like every other Freeman patch on Ebay is from a white jersey. I also noticed this one that looks like the same type of patch. Hopefully it's not fake, but I guess there's no way to know for sure on any patch card anymore.

As for BGS grading, they do not certify patches as fake or real. They only grade and authenticate the card itself. If they see a problem then they won't slab it, but they don't actively search for fake patches. Just because BGS grades it doesn't mean the patch is real, and likewise I'm sure they've refused a few that were real. It's just too difficult to tell sometimes.

 

[Phildo777]

Mr whitesox- I know for each of the other players they have produced more then one jersey. For instance, all the giants have blue/white jerseys and white/red jerseys. I haven't officially looked itno this card extensively yet but will make sure to do so. Also, I am not looking for any grading card company to tell me what they think of the patches. The main reason I would be grading them is because if they are suspicious at all...... they certainly won't grade them. Therefor, if there are fakes there..... they should and would most likely be able to weed out the ones that have been altered. I know they usually magnify cards when grading and I am sure they will be checking the logos out extensively. Atleast, that is what I hope.

I am not looking to pass on any single fake card and thats why I would authenticated. Authentication would be able to detect any trimming or altercation to the card...... in my mind, this would include fake patches. I am assuming that no fake is perfect and under magnification, they should be able to find any if there are. They are professionals and hopefully they will do that for me. I am not really looking for the grading aspect as I could really care less what the cards come back as.

As fore the freeman, I have seen a lot with the white part of the jersey. However, I have also seen many one color ones that are just red..... like the background is on my logo. Being one color, zi would figure that they would be using the base of the jersey and not a number patch or letter patch (as some other color would assumingly show through on the sides if they used these). Therefore, by color alone, it can be legit.

However, due to skepticism, I can only authenticate them. If they authenticate them, I can really only take them as real.... as what else can I do at that point. I understand there will always be skeptics..... but I am doing my best to right any situation.

I certainly do not fake any patches myself, nor would I want to pass any fakes that were passed to me. Integrity is a key part to the hobby and unfortunately, with so many logos being faked now-a-days..... it is hard for anyone to believe that something is 100% real.


All I can say is that I have purchased almost all my patches from ebay, except from the 12 box case I opened myself. I tried to do this set right and get logos and 3 colors or more. I guess this is my luck finding atleast one fake so far a,mong the group.

It is very disheartening, but that is the chance I took. However, I will be spending the money to look for any altercations on the cards themselves. After I do that..... there is not much else I can do.

I really really hope that these card companies start databasing their patches as they treally need to do so. Fakes have cost me hundreds of dollars in the past and instead of trying to pass them on to others to get my money back..... I have literally just thrown them in the trash can.


I hope that everyone realizes that I am not trying to pass any of these as fakes and am going to do my best to make sure that the person who buys my set/patches is a 100% satisfied that they are real. I know people will always be skeptical, but hopefully that will change if the companies start a database on their products.


I am sorry for ranting and raving but I too, am very dissappointed in what has happened as it makes myself look bad also. However, like I said, I don't condone fakes and never will. Sorry all for the disappointment, as I know I sure am.

Phil

 

[mstng99tim]

I wouldn't be too confident in the McCoy patch being real either. I collect him, and EVERY SPA super patch that I have seen so far has either a solid 1 color patch or a multi-color patch from the large numbers on the jersey. Keep in mind, these cards were intended to be signed on the patch, not on the card like McCoy did. I find it hard to believe that UD would put that logo in there to have him sign it really small. Also, the quality of the patch itself looks cheap to me. I have a similar patch that I got directly from Panini because it was a redemption card. Look at the difference:

Your logo:

My logo:

 

[CollectorsCorner]

and fyi there is no point grading them no grading company grades the patch they just grade the card itself

 

[wheeler281]

Link us the ebay sellers. it is easy enough to do. The same guys are the ones that normally sell them. Hook us with some links to see if the sellers set of any red flags with the edgamacated ones here

 

[bradical]

and fyi there is no point grading them no grading company grades the patch they just grade the card itself

But, BGS would be able to tell if the card has been altered, which is what he is worried about.

 

[mstng99tim]

and fyi there is no point grading them no grading company grades the patch they just grade the card itself

But, BGS would be able to tell if the card has been altered, which is what he is worried about.

I doubt that they catch every altered card that comes through there. I wouldn't be suprised if the ****** bags who fake the patches, have some sort of metal (or some other strong material like plastic) cutout to place over the cutout of the card where the patch is at. This way they won't have to worry about the edges of the fake patch nicking or damaging the cutout window.