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Phildo777

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This is getting out of hand. I have tried to explain everything. So, what I am getting from everyone is that all of these are fake and even if they are graded..... they are still fake. There is nothing I can do. However, I have had a couple friends handed cards back because they thought the patches were altered. So, BGS DOES check to see if the patches are altered. How can they not catch them?? They can catch milimeter trimming by rip-offs, but they can't catch a whole patch being altered?? I would think this is just common sense...... I guess not.

As for the McCoy....... please do some research before you just start calling everything I have fake. For instance, UD has let a lot of patches slide that were screwed up. For instance, I have seen quite a few Josh Freeman patches (from the base set) signed right on the patch itself and not the card. Also, you are basically saying that the patch is not only fake but the auto must be fake also since he didn't sign it on the patch?? I realize that almost all of these are signed on the patch, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

I don't understand everyone. I have done my best to try and rectify the situation and all I keep getting is that all my patches are fake and I can't do a single thing about it?? This makes no sense.

Also, I am not going to rat out anyone from ebay. No one knows with 100% certainty that any of these patches are fake, with the exception of the Wells..... which I am handling. I am supposed to call out people because people are skeptical?? That wouldn't be right. All I can say is that if you don't believe something is real..... then DON'T buy it!!

This is getting rediculous and out of hand. I understand everyone's concern..... but there is nothing else I can do besides grade them. I have heard many instances of BGS and PSA sending cards back that they thought were fake. They would do the same. Dealers usually don't have magical pixie dust that would keep BGS and PSA from seeing that a card is altered. I understand what everyone is saying, but all most keep doing is saying that everyone of them is fake and grading won't do anything. If that's the case..... and they come back authentic from BGS..... please don't bid on them. I am not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

Bradical- thank you!!! At least someone understands!! I am not trying to get over on anyone..... but after grading them and them being authenticated..... What else can I do??


There is absolutely nothing else I can do besides grade them!! What else can I do???

Phil
 

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Phildo777 said:
This is getting out of hand. I have tried to explain everything. So, what I am getting from everyone is that all of these are fake and even if they are graded..... they are still fake. There is nothing I can do. However, I have had a couple friends handed cards back because they thought the patches were altered. So, BGS DOES check to see if the patches are altered. How can they not catch them?? They can catch milimeter trimming by rip-offs, but they can't catch a whole patch being altered?? I would think this is just common sense...... I guess not.

As for the McCoy....... please do some research before you just start calling everything I have fake. For instance, UD has let a lot of patches slide that were screwed up. For instance, I have seen quite a few Josh Freeman patches (from the base set) signed right on the patch itself and not the card. Also, you are basically saying that the patch is not only fake but the auto must be fake also since he didn't sign it on the patch?? I realize that almost all of these are signed on the patch, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

I don't understand everyone. I have done my best to try and rectify the situation and all I keep getting is that all my patches are fake and I can't do a single thing about it?? This makes no sense.

Also, I am not going to rat out anyone from ebay. No one knows with 100% certainty that any of these patches are fake, with the exception of the Wells..... which I am handling. I am supposed to call out people because people are skeptical?? That wouldn't be right. All I can say is that if you don't believe something is real..... then DON'T buy it!!

This is getting rediculous and out of hand. I understand everyone's concern..... but there is nothing else I can do besides grade them. I have heard many instances of BGS and PSA sending cards back that they thought were fake. They would do the same. Dealers usually don't have magical pixie dust that would keep BGS and PSA from seeing that a card is altered. I understand what everyone is saying, but all most keep doing is saying that everyone of them is fake and grading won't do anything. If that's the case..... and they come back authentic from BGS..... please don't bid on them. I am not forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

Bradical- thank you!!! At least someone understands!! I am not trying to get over on anyone..... but after grading them and them being authenticated..... What else can I do??


There is absolutely nothing else I can do besides grade them!! What else can I do???

Phil

The kiss of death right there. Of course do not post the seller :lol:
:lol: :lol: That would be a dead give away!

Wow you are really out of touch with the hobby if you do not think graded companys grade fake patches.

Here is a little article Gellman did

http://www.sportscardsuncensored.com/20 ... rself.html
 

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Phildo777 said:
As for the McCoy....... please do some research before you just start calling everything I have fake. For instance, UD has let a lot of patches slide that were screwed up. For instance, I have seen quite a few Josh Freeman patches (from the base set) signed right on the patch itself and not the card. Also, you are basically saying that the patch is not only fake but the auto must be fake also since he didn't sign it on the patch?? I realize that almost all of these are signed on the patch, but there are always exceptions to the rule.


Phil

Me do some research? How about YOU do some research before you go and try to counter what I said!!!! If you had, you would have CLEARLY SEEN, that McCoy DID NOT sign a single super patch on the patch like they were instructed to do. He signed them all on the card itself, not the patch. The McCoy auto you have is real, but the patch is fake.
 

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First, BGS DOES NOT authenticate patches. If something looks off, they will not grade it but if it's a good fake it will get graded.

Phildo777 said:
As for the McCoy....... please do some research before you just start calling everything I have fake. For instance, UD has let a lot of patches slide that were screwed up. For instance, I have seen quite a few Josh Freeman patches (from the base set) signed right on the patch itself and not the card. Also, you are basically saying that the patch is not only fake but the auto must be fake also since he didn't sign it on the patch?? I realize that almost all of these are signed on the patch, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

I don't understand everyone. I have done my best to try and rectify the situation and all I keep getting is that all my patches are fake and I can't do a single thing about it?? This makes no sense.

Also, I am not going to rat out anyone from ebay. No one knows with 100% certainty that any of these patches are fake, with the exception of the Wells..... which I am handling. I am supposed to call out people because people are skeptical?? That wouldn't be right. All I can say is that if you don't believe something is real..... then DON'T buy it!

Phil

No need to get up in arms for people trying to help you. Compare the two McCoy's, one of them doesn't raise an eyebrow?

Curious as to why you wouldn't "rat out" the seller of the Wells. It's obviously 100% fake. You can handle the situation on your end, meanwhile the seller might still be ripping off other unaware buyers.

Good luck with everything.
 

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Why would I post the seller??? Just because you think the patch is fake?? Why don't you do some research and try to find the seller yourself if you think the patches are fake??? If you find my Ebay account..... you will certainly be able to see that I have purchased all of these cards from ebay exactly how they look now.

Kiss of death?? You make NO sense. So basically what you are saying is that there is nothing that can be done??

Why don't you stop calling me out like I did this and actually do some research??? If you want to find the patches you believe to be fake..... go on ebay and check yourself.

I am NOT calling out anyone out because you believe the patch is fake. In fact, I have even received a couple of mine from people on here with very good reputations. You want me to call them out also??
 

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OK, this is rediculous..... I am not going to answer anymore posts on the topic after this. Nothing of what I can say or do would make anyone think differently anyways.

In fact, the McCoy and the Wells came from two totally seperate guys. If you don't belive they are real, that is fine.

I don't just buy these patches from people with no feedback and bad feedback. Most the people I purchase from have upwards and over 10,000 feedback with usually 99.5% positive. I couldn't go to any better sources.

This conversation is just going to go round and round and there is nothing I or anybody else can do about it.

Also, of course I am on the defensive..... I have spent a load of money on all this. How would you feel??


Like I said though, if you don't believe they are real.... don't bid. There is nothing else I can do to change anyone's mind. If you don't want to deal with me, that is fine also. There is nothing I can do about all this except try to get my money back from the sellers.

Sorry about all this but I am trying. I am upset by the situation myself. There is nothing else I can do.

You all can keep posting if you want but there is nothing else I can say. Also, I am very upset about the situation myself but the seller said he will refund my money. That is all I can ask for.

Phil
 

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Phildo777 said:
In fact, the McCoy and the Wells came from two totally seperate guys. If you don't belive they are real, that is fine.

I know you are done but, do you still believe the Wells is real?
 

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deceptikon1978 said:
Phildo777 said:
In fact, the McCoy and the Wells came from two totally seperate guys. If you don't belive they are real, that is fine.

I know you are done but, do you still believe the Wells is real?

He might be done, but I still want to believe.

*makes logo patch from old 49ers jersey to sell to Nate*
 

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deceptikon1978 said:
Phildo777 said:
In fact, the McCoy and the Wells came from two totally seperate guys. If you don't belive they are real, that is fine.

I know you are done but, do you still believe the Wells is real?


I guarantee the reason you are not posting the seller or sellers is that you are afraid people will know they are known patch fakers
Why not do it to get that monkey off your back
 

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sffanmike25 said:
deceptikon1978 said:
Phildo777 said:
In fact, the McCoy and the Wells came from two totally seperate guys. If you don't belive they are real, that is fine.

I know you are done but, do you still believe the Wells is real?

He might be done, but I still want to believe.

*makes logo patch from old 49ers jersey to sell to Nate*

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Deceptikon- No I do not believe that and have contacted the seller because of this. He is giving me a full refund for the card. I realize the Wells is fake and it angers the heck out of me.

I do apologize to all as I am on the defensive. I am not saying I am 100% convinced that every patch is real. I guess I have more faith in the card community than I probably should.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Phil
 

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all i can say is BGS dies not authenticate patches, and i have some proof


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Listen dude, these people know what they are talking about and I would listen to what they have to say.

Now, here are the mccoy chest logo and team logo auctions if the thread clues are right. I dont know which it is because the guy suspiciously removed all evidence from the thread.

http://cgi.ebay.com/09-SP-Authentic-390 ... _596wt_754

http://cgi.ebay.com/LeSEAN-McCOY-09-SP- ... 1305wt_681

http://cgi.ebay.com/LESEAN-MCCOY-2009-S ... 2559f3652f

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-SP-Authentic-L ... 27afb2f168

http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-LESEAN-MCCOY-S ... 35a8510e68

If he was the one who paid 175 for that super patch, I feel really bad for you. The guy has a bunch of questionable patches if you take the time to search through all of them, and that is should be a good enough reason to stay away.

However, I will say this. Every super patch was designed to have a large patch area for the player to sign. This one came as a larger number patch and the faker switched it out because McCoy ****** up his entire run. Because McCoy signed the card instead of the patch, it gave them free reign to switch out the patch.

Now, in regards to sending to BGS, they will authenticate or grade any card that doesnt show signs of tampering. That means if the faker did a good job and didnt damage the card while switching out the patch, they will grade it as real. That is unreliable and shouldnt be trusted.

Secondly, these people are trying to do you a favor and you are being a dick about it. I would do your best to make good on that before you make more enemies than friends round here.

Lastly, because you decided to take down all the pics, we cant help you anymore, nor should we want to. Its dumb not to just put it up and get opinions.
 

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And to think I almost tried to buy that McCoy SPA from him last night. Yikes.. Shame on me.. ::facepalm::

I almost let Team Shady down Tim! :lol:

:shock: Damn bro, you're lucky you guys didn't strike a deal!!! I've seen pretty much every single Shady card to hit ebay since last years Press Pass came out and this cat tries to tell me to do research before I start calling his card fake!!!! :lol:
 

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Look..... I know I said I wouldn't post again but I had one more thing to say.

I apologize to those I offended. This was just all very overwhleming. I do not want to make any enemies on this site or anywhere. I am sorry about the research comments, as it was the wrong thing to say.

I understand everyone is trying to help me now. Like I said, it is just all very overwhelming and it gets me really angry and upset when I get passed a fake patch. I apologize for going on the defensive.

I appreciate what everyone has said and understand that it was all ment to be positive. I took it as people attacking me and my character, which was not the way it was intended.

However, with that said can we please just drop it. I will do my best to get my money back. There is nothing I can do besides that.

Thanks again everyone and like i said, I apologize for taking things out of context.

Phil
 

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Just curious as to the motives behind having the fake Wells in the SPA case break page of your bucket, you obviously didn't pull it like that. Something's fishy.
 

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No, I did not pull it.... I have posted all my patches on that page. I just didn't change the name.
 

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