Melky does the White Sox good

[gmsieb]

Melky Cabrera - OF - Blue Jays

Bruce Levine of 670TheScore.com reports that the White Sox have agreed to a three-year contract with Melky Cabrera, pending a physical.

Exact terms aren't yet known, but the contract is expected to the in the $45 million range. It was reported on Friday that the Mariners made a three-year offer, but Cabrera apparently preferred the offer he got from Chicago. The 30-year-old batted .301/.351/.458 with 16 home runs and 73 RBI in 139 games this past season for the Blue Jays and further strengthens Chicago's lineup. Throw him in with the additions of Jeff Samardzija, David Robertson, and Adam LaRoche and it's clear the White Sox intend to go for it in 2015.

 

[maxe0213]

3 years and 45 mil I heard. White Sox should win the Central this year IMO (pending any other big moves from teh teams). Major upgrades this year with downgrades on the other clubs.

3 years 45 million seems cheap for Melky after what he did last yaer. 3 years is short IMO.

 

[AmishDave]

Love it for both parties. If CWS has to give up their pick, so be it. They have missed more than hit on their picks the last 5 or so years. If it's a sandwich round pick, even better. CWS is actually, quietly, compared to the Marlins / Dodgers / Cubs, having a stellar off-season.

 

[AnthonyCorona]

Damn it, I was hoping for a return to SF. The white Sox are having a good off season. I'm gonna make sure I get wgn this year so I can hear he gone and u can put it on the board....yes, more often this year

 

[scotty216brs]

I guess the White Sox want to be back in the playoff chase....I figured it would take a few more years at least for that to happen but with all of these moves it will definitely happen sooner than that.

 

[gogosox40]

Looks like my Sox won the OFFseason

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[WCTYSON]

What are the White Sox going for exactly? This is a massive overpay for Melky Cabrera. He is going from 8 per year to 15 per year, for what? He has had only 3 season where he played 150 or more games, from the 2006 season being a full time player. He has never hit over 18 HR's in a season and as he has aged, he is quickly losing what speed he had as well. He has become a defensive liability as well. So what the White Sox are spending some money, it is because their system was so awful they had no other choice to do so, other than fielding a product that nobody would want to watch. Keep in mind this was a 73-89 team last season and now fans are talking playoffs?

 

[gogosox40]

What are the White Sox going for exactly? This is a massive overpay for Melky Cabrera. He is going from 8 per year to 15 per year, for what? He has had only 3 season where he played 150 or more games, from the 2006 season being a full time player. He has never hit over 18 HR's in a season and as he has aged, he is quickly losing what speed he had as well. He has become a defensive liability as well. So what the White Sox are spending some money, it is because their system was so awful they had no other choice to do so, other than fielding a product that nobody would want to watch. Keep in mind this was a 73-89 team last season and now fans are talking playoffs?

Who is talking playoffs? The white sox have made great moves this off season.

Here is the new projected lineup.
1. CF Adam Eaton
2. LF Melky Cabrera
3. DH Jose Abreu
4. 1B Adam LaRoche
5. SS Alexei Ramirez
6. RF Avisail Garcia
7. 3B Conor Gillaspie
8. C Tyler Flowers
9. 2B Carlos Sanchez

SP Chris Sale
SP Jeff Samardzija
SP Jose Quintana
SP Hector Noesi
SP John Danks

SU Duke
CL Robertson

This team is quietly a strong contender for the 2nd wildcard, possibly..




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[WCTYSON]

Who is talking playoffs? The white sox have made great moves this off season.

Here is the new projected lineup.
1. CF Adam Eaton
2. LF Melky Cabrera
3. DH Jose Abreu
4. 1B Adam LaRoche
5. SS Alexei Ramirez
6. RF Avisail Garcia
7. 3B Conor Gillaspie
8. C Tyler Flowers
9. 2B Carlos Sanchez

SP Chris Sale
SP Jeff Samardzija
SP Jose Quintana
SP Hector Noesi
SP John Danks

SU Duke
CL Robertson

This team is quietly a strong contender for the 2nd wildcard, possibly..

Melky Cabrera - OF - Blue Jays

Bruce Levine of 670TheScore.com reports that the White Sox have agreed to a three-year contract with Melky Cabrera, pending a physical.

Exact terms aren't yet known, but the contract is expected to the in the $45 million range. It was reported on Friday that the Mariners made a three-year offer, but Cabrera apparently preferred the offer he got from Chicago. The 30-year-old batted .301/.351/.458 with 16 home runs and 73 RBI in 139 games this past season for the Blue Jays and further strengthens Chicago's lineup. Throw him in with the additions of Jeff Samardzija, David Robertson, and Adam LaRoche and it's clear the White Sox intend to go for it in 2015.

3 years and 45 mil I heard. White Sox should win the Central this year IMO (pending any other big moves from teh teams). Major upgrades this year with downgrades on the other clubs.

3 years 45 million seems cheap for Melky after what he did last yaer. 3 years is short IMO.

I guess the White Sox want to be back in the playoff chase....I figured it would take a few more years at least for that to happen but with all of these moves it will definitely happen sooner than that.

Almost every post in this thread has talked about the White Sox making the playoffs, unless I misunderstand.

 

[gmsieb]

Almost every post in this thread has talked about the White Sox making the playoffs, unless I misunderstand.

Do you have a point? All I posted was what was written on rotoworld. It looks like people think, the white sox are making a push to make the playoffs.
Judging by their actions, it indeed looks like they are making a push to make the playoffs. One of the responses above says, they should make the playoffs. The
others just say, it looks like they want too. I made no prediction or assumption.

DO you disagree and think they aren't trying to make the playoffs??

 

[WCTYSON]

Do you have a point? All I posted was what was written on rotoworld. It looks like people think, the white sox are making a push to make the playoffs.
Judging by their actions, it indeed looks like they are making a push to make the playoffs. One of the responses above says, they should make the playoffs. The
others just say, it looks like they want too. I made no prediction or assumption.

DO you disagree and think they aren't trying to make the playoffs??

My last post answered the question of 'who is talking playoffs?' My point, I stated in my first post in this thread. This is an overpay on an overrated player and certainly does not put the White Sox in the playoff picture. I do think they have made some good moves this off season but this is not one. I also said why I think this is a bad deal for them, though it does improve them at that position. I also said this is more about placing a product that is easier to sell on the field, than them having a realistic view of making the playoffs.

 

[gmsieb]

My last post answered the question of 'who is talking playoffs?' My point, I stated in my first post in this thread. This is an overpay on an overrated player and certainly does not put the White Sox in the playoff picture. I do think they have made some good moves this off season but this is not one. I also said why I think this is a bad deal for them, though it does improve them at that position. I also said this is more about placing a product that is easier to sell on the field, than them having a realistic view of making the playoffs.

Can we agree, that only one person stated that they were headed to the playoffs??
And the rest were either quoting others or stating it looks like they are trying to make the playoffs??

 

[maxe0213]

Have you looked at the central Tyson? Royals have regressed, Tigers have gotten older and regressed (depending on Scherzer coming back or not), Indians have improved slightly. Twins are still the twins.

White Sox are clearly one of the top two teams IMO in the central and I find it hard to deny that. The going rate for hitters is higher than this.


Let's look at some other deals signed this Offseason

Billy Butler DH - 3 years 30 million
Nelson Cruz DH/OF - 4 years 57 million (Much worse fielder than Cabrera)
Cuddyer DH/OF/1B/3B - 2 years 21 million
Torii Hunter OF - 1 year 10.5 million
Adam LaRoche 1B/DH - 2 years 25 million
Morales DH - 2 years 17 million

I mean, Freaking Pablo Sandoval got 5 years and 95 million and is barely an above average offensive player.


3 years for 15 million per is a great deal for the White Sox, and I find it to be ridiculous to say otherwise. Dude is still a 280-300 hitter with some power and some speed and is a good #2 hitter. Still an above average outfielder.

 

[WCTYSON]

Have you looked at the central Tyson? Royals have regressed, Tigers have gotten older and regressed (depending on Scherzer coming back or not), Indians have improved slightly. Twins are still the twins.

White Sox are clearly one of the top two teams IMO in the central and I find it hard to deny that. The going rate for hitters is higher than this.

Let's look at some other deals signed this Offseason

Billy Butler DH - 3 years 30 million
Nelson Cruz DH/OF - 4 years 57 million (Much worse fielder than Cabrera)
Cuddyer DH/OF/1B/3B - 2 years 21 million
Torii Hunter OF - 1 year 10.5 million
Adam LaRoche 1B/DH - 2 years 25 million
Morales DH - 2 years 17 million

I mean, Freaking Pablo Sandoval got 5 years and 95 million and is barely an above average offensive player.


3 years for 15 million per is a great deal for the White Sox, and I find it to be ridiculous to say otherwise. Dude is still a 280-300 hitter with some power and some speed and is a good #2 hitter. Still an above average outfielder.

The White Sox are certainly improved, I agree. Do I think they win 15 more games than last season to get to 88 wins total, which still would not likely make them a WC team? No, and I certainly do not see them winning the division with that total either. At least they are a watchable team now though. Cabrera at 15, is more than every player you listed above with the exception of Sandoval. Not going to get into if I think the Red Sox overpaid for Sandoval but he plays at a position that did not have a lot to choose from in FA. Sandoval is much more likely to hold his offensive value because his numbers are not speed reliant, that is for certain. Sandoval also has a higher career BA, OBP, SLG, OBP and his metrics defensively hold their own. Not saying his is a good deal but Cabrera's is an overpay for sure. Trust me when I say, I would love for them to knock the Tigers out of the mix but I do not think these moves do that quite yet.

 

[maxe0213]

The White Sox are certainly improved, I agree. Do I think they win 15 more games than last season to get to 88 wins total, which still would not likely make them a WC team? No, and I certainly do not see them winning the division with that total either. At least they are a watchable team now though. Cabrera at 15, is more than every player you listed above with the exception of Sandoval. Not going to get into if I think the Red Sox overpaid for Sandoval but he plays at a position that did not have a lot to choose from in FA. Sandoval is much more likely to hold his offensive value because his numbers are not speed reliant, that is for certain. Sandoval also has a higher career BA, OBP, SLG, OBP and his metrics defensively hold their own. Not saying his is a good deal but Cabrera's is an overpay for sure. Trust me when I say, I would love for them to knock the Tigers out of the mix but I do not think these moves do that quite yet.

You didn't understand my pointing out of those other deals. His was barely more than every one of those deals and is a much much better player than all of those guys. Sandoval got almost 20 million and is not a drastically better player than Cabrera.

When the market for Billy Butler is 10 million a year for 3 years as a DH, I find it hard to believe that 14 million a year for a better offensive player and someone who actually plays defense is an overpay.

Cabrera is not speed reliant completely like you say. Yes he has speed but he is a good solid hitter to bat in the #2 spot in front of Abreu and LaRoche. Yes Sandoval has better stats, but thats the point. His stats are not incredibly higher though. If he is worth basically 5 years and 100 million, Cabrera for 3 years and 42 million is a STEAL comparatively. This is a good deal for the White Sox

Have you been paying attention to the off season? This is the going rate or slightly below for an above average #2 hitter who plays average defense.


The White Sox now have an above average bullpen, a very good rotation, a slightly above average offense. I think they are the best team in the Central assuming that the Royals and Tigers do not make any additions.

It's now coming out that he turned down a Fourth year because he wanted to play with the White Sox and the deal is worth slightly more than the 42 million, so clearly other teams viewed him as worth something close to this.

 

[maxe0213]

Who is talking playoffs? The white sox have made great moves this off season.

Here is the new projected lineup.
1. CF Adam Eaton
2. LF Melky Cabrera
3. DH Jose Abreu
4. 1B Adam LaRoche
5. SS Alexei Ramirez
6. RF Avisail Garcia
7. 3B Conor Gillaspie
8. C Tyler Flowers
9. 2B Carlos Sanchez

SP Chris Sale
SP Jeff Samardzija
SP Jose Quintana
SP Hector Noesi
SP John Danks

SU Duke
CL Robertson

This team is quietly a strong contender for the 2nd wildcard, possibly..




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Don't forget the addition of Rodon at some point during the year which could push Noesi out of the rotation which would improve the Sox incredibly by addition and subtraction.

 

[WCTYSON]

You didn't understand my pointing out of those other deals. His was barely more than every one of those deals and is a much much better player than all of those guys. Sandoval got almost 20 million and is not a drastically better player than Cabrera.

When the market for Billy Butler is 10 million a year for 3 years as a DH, I find it hard to believe that 14 million a year for a better offensive player and someone who actually plays defense is an overpay.

Cabrera is not speed reliant completely like you say. Yes he has speed but he is a good solid hitter to bat in the #2 spot in front of Abreu and LaRoche. Yes Sandoval has better stats, but thats the point. His stats are not incredibly higher though. If he is worth basically 5 years and 100 million, Cabrera for 3 years and 42 million is a STEAL comparatively. This is a good deal for the White Sox

Have you been paying attention to the off season? This is the going rate or slightly below for an above average #2 hitter who plays average defense.


The White Sox now have an above average bullpen, a very good rotation, a slightly above average offense. I think they are the best team in the Central assuming that the Royals and Tigers do not make any additions.

It's now coming out that he turned down a Fourth year because he wanted to play with the White Sox and the deal is worth slightly more than the 42 million, so clearly other teams viewed him as worth something close to this.

I do understand your point with the other deals, and I think Melky is on that level. What exactly justifies him getting 14 million a year, from what he made last season at 8 million? You seem to be placing too much value on his offensive production. You also seem to be missing that he has a hard time staying healthy. Additionally, you seem to be overvaluing his defensive ability. All of these are an upgrade for the White Sox at that position but this was an overpay. I did not say Cabrera was completely speed reliant, but that is where some of his value comes from.

I like the building of this team but the bottom half of that lineup is going to hurt, along with the bottom of the rotation. They will be improved but not playoff bound yet. How much of a win improvement do you see?