More mama_bear** discussion...

[rico08]

I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

 

[bmc398]

I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Bingo! Glad somebody has their head out of their ass. If you know the way the industry works, factor in the cost of Sterling (which my dist. agrees was $201 a box last year) and how these cases are dropped shipped directly from distributors a red light will immediately go off.

The markup from direct to wholesaler to LCS/retail is miniscule in the card business. We are talking like 8% (on average) markup from wholesaler to the LCS or retailer...thats why they have to move products in bulk.

Mama bear is selling at a 35%+ loss of initial cost that the distributor/direct account paid. NO MARKUP FROM THE DIST. LEVEL OR RETAIL LEVEL IS INVOLVED IN THAT EQUATION.

If you have a dealernet account the activity is pretty easy to track. She buys cases at full price on there and sells them for way less on the internet. Who knows what the goal of her endgame is, but at some point her funds will run out.

 

[Wes]

I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

 

[rico08]

I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

The risk is putting myself in the situation where I need to waste time fighting or waiting for a refund. What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

 

[AKA Coastal]

It's a scam that works until they get behind, then you'll see negative feedback, and then they'll be gone. They sell to Peter and buy Paul his case with Peters money...and repeat. In the mean time they can do what they want with all the floating money. Seen it before.

 

[Wes]

I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

The risk is putting myself in the situation where I need to waste time fighting or waiting for a refund. What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

It takes 10 seconds to file a claim. As far as hurting the hobby, let's cross that bridge when we reach it. Mamabear hasn't ripped anybody off yet.

 

[SeattleSports]

[quote="jmc280zx":l15g35iy]I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

The risk is putting myself in the situation where I need to waste time fighting or waiting for a refund. What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

It takes 10 seconds to file a claim. As far as hurting the hobby, let's cross that bridge when we reach it. Mamabear hasn't ripped anybody off yet.[/quote:l15g35iy]


It's amazing how blinded people are by a good deal.

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="jmc280zx":3g75afib]I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

The risk is putting myself in the situation where I need to waste time fighting or waiting for a refund. What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

It takes 10 seconds to file a claim. As far as hurting the hobby, let's cross that bridge when we reach it. Mamabear hasn't ripped anybody off yet.[/quote:3g75afib]

It's all a matter of time.

 

[crowTrobot]

If you have a dealernet account the activity is pretty easy to track. She buys cases at full price on there and sells them for way less on the internet. Who knows what the goal of her endgame is, but at some point her funds will run out.

What doesn't make sense is why is anyone still selling to her after it has long ago become clear something illegitimate must be going on? You'd think they'd want to distance themselves, particularly distributers.

 

[rico08]

[quote="frzg":w8644b4e][quote="jmc280zx":w8644b4e]I know this is way out there but maybe Topps found (or thought they found) a new way to "backdoor" there cases that didnt sell....

Once again,

These are all dropships from dealers. mama_bear is buying them at dealernet prices after they sold them at a significant loss. This isnt backdoored or stolen merchandise, its all dropshipped.

The problem with this thread and all the half-baked theories is that most of the people posting don't realize direct cost and are unaware of drop shipping.

There are too many red flags for me to take a risk on any presell item from mamabear. Too many people are blinded by a good deal.

Explain the risk to me. If a buyer uses PayPal and a decent credit card they're going to get their cards or their money back. Other than having the money held for a couple of weeks and not accruing interest, what is the risk?

The risk is putting myself in the situation where I need to waste time fighting or waiting for a refund. What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

It takes 10 seconds to file a claim. As far as hurting the hobby, let's cross that bridge when we reach it. Mamabear hasn't ripped anybody off yet.[/quote:w8644b4e]


It's amazing how blinded people are by a good deal.[/quote:w8644b4e]

Hey I said that already!

 

[rico08]

If you have a dealernet account the activity is pretty easy to track. She buys cases at full price on there and sells them for way less on the internet. Who knows what the goal of her endgame is, but at some point her funds will run out.

What doesn't make sense is why is anyone still selling to her after it has long ago become clear something illegitimate must be going on? You'd think they'd want to distance themselves, particularly distributers.

The distributors get their money for the products they drop ship. They could care less if its you or mamabear buying it.

 

[crowTrobot]

What is your time worth? Plus, as someone with interest in having this hobby sustained for more than a few months, I don't want to give this person (or anyone else taking flat out losses) my money.

Agreed - my point. So why is she still able to buy on dealernet?

 

[crowTrobot]

The distributors get their money for the products they drop ship. They could care less if its you or mamabear buying it.

Well then that's the problem. They should care, since at best they are hurting their own bottom line by softening the market, and at worst they might be implicated and have to waste time defending themselves.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Has anyone on this site ever been in a store like Marshalls, TJ Maxx, Odd Lots or similar discount chain? Ever see wal mart sell a christmas tree for 20 bucks that retailed for 75? mama bear is doing something every major retailer does on a daily basis. Eliminating stock and creating cash flow, By selling at or below cost. I imagine the flordia info was put to throw off manufactors also. Like i said before, Its probably a large wholesaler selling off case that were returned or not paid for by a customer. They have to sell so much to keep the ability to order the same if not more the next year. They also have the ability to write the loss off on their taxes, They really are not losing a dime in the end. Maybe its part of their company and they use it for shifting losses, Thats not an uncommon thing also. Company I work for has 12 companies operated out of one office, Its a very common practice.

 

[Zithy]

What I don't understand is why it's sooo low. I mean, if everyone is selling a case in the $675-725 range, why would you throw yours out at $450-500 when they would definitely sell for $600? You could make a point that they'd sell quicker at $600 than $500 due to many people being leery of getting ripped off.

Why such a big gap when it's unnecessary and tons of money is left on the table?

 

[AKA Coastal]

Has anyone on this site ever been in a store like Marshalls, TJ Maxx, Odd Lots or similar discount chain? Ever see wal mart sell a christmas tree for 20 bucks that retailed for 75? mama bear is doing something every major retailer does on a daily basis. Eliminating stock and creating cash flow, By selling at or below cost. I imagine the flordia info was put to throw off manufactors also. Like i said before, Its probably a large wholesaler selling off case that were returned or not paid for by a customer. They have to sell so much to keep the ability to order the same if not more the next year. They also have the ability to write the loss off on their taxes, They really are not losing a dime in the end. Maybe its part of their company and they use it for shifting losses, Thats not an uncommon thing also. Company I work for has 12 companies operated out of one office, Its a very common practice.

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

 

[Mr.Whipple]

What I don't understand is why it's sooo low. I mean, if everyone is selling a case in the $675-725 range, why would you throw yours out at $450-500 when they would definitely sell for $600? You could make a point that they'd sell quicker at $600 than $500 due to many people being leery of getting ripped off.

Why such a big gap when it's unnecessary and tons of money is left on the table?

Read my post and think about it, Its a common practice in retail. Not sure why everyone is so up in arms though, If it was a scam and I bet other sellers already spoke to ebay about it. The seller also would of been thrown off ebay if they felt the explanation was sketchy.

 

[rico08]

What I don't understand is why it's sooo low. I mean, if everyone is selling a case in the $675-725 range, why would you throw yours out at $450-500 when they would definitely sell for $600? You could make a point that they'd sell quicker at $600 than $500 due to many people being leery of getting ripped off.

Why such a big gap when it's unnecessary and tons of money is left on the table?

Read my post and think about it, Its a common practice in retail. Not sure why everyone is so up in arms though, If it was a scam and I bet other sellers already spoke to ebay about it. The seller also would of been thrown off ebay if they felt the explanation was sketchy.

It is not a scam to sell something cheap. It is a scam to build a trustworthy reputation then never deliver on presales. I'm not saying that is occuring right now, but I'd rather not make it my problem. I'll let you others row that boat.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Has anyone on this site ever been in a store like Marshalls, TJ Maxx, Odd Lots or similar discount chain? Ever see wal mart sell a christmas tree for 20 bucks that retailed for 75? mama bear is doing something every major retailer does on a daily basis. Eliminating stock and creating cash flow, By selling at or below cost. I imagine the flordia info was put to throw off manufactors also. Like i said before, Its probably a large wholesaler selling off case that were returned or not paid for by a customer. They have to sell so much to keep the ability to order the same if not more the next year. They also have the ability to write the loss off on their taxes, They really are not losing a dime in the end. Maybe its part of their company and they use it for shifting losses, Thats not an uncommon thing also. Company I work for has 12 companies operated out of one office, Its a very common practice.

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

Why the facepalms? Because a company does something people dont understand? You should see what food retailers do with stuff a day past the experation date. They trash it no matter what, Even if its still good and they do it for the write off and nothing else.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

What I don't understand is why it's sooo low. I mean, if everyone is selling a case in the $675-725 range, why would you throw yours out at $450-500 when they would definitely sell for $600? You could make a point that they'd sell quicker at $600 than $500 due to many people being leery of getting ripped off.

Why such a big gap when it's unnecessary and tons of money is left on the table?

Read my post and think about it, Its a common practice in retail. Not sure why everyone is so up in arms though, If it was a scam and I bet other sellers already spoke to ebay about it. The seller also would of been thrown off ebay if they felt the explanation was sketchy.

It is not a scam to sell something cheap. It is a scam to build a trustworthy reputation then never deliver on presales. I'm not saying that is occuring right now, but I'd rather not make it my problem. I'll let you others row that boat.

I dont blame you for taking that stance and its perfectly understandable also. People are making a big deal out of something that makes sense to others. But it also is a really common business practice, To me it makes sense for a wholesaler to do something like this though. I am an idiot though, Wasted almost 7 years of my life attending business schools.