More mama_bear** discussion...

[Mr.Whipple]

Then business majors turn into attorneys.

I wanna meet a money launder, Who would make such a large paper trail behind them. In school, they actually show you sings of someone trying to launder money. Plus they would of have to walked in a bank with the cash, They report deposits over a certain amount. Plus the deposit of cash in large amounts made regulary in a non business account would be reported. Unless they're using a credit card to launder the money haha.

 

[Guest]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

 

[SeattleSports]

d.

 

[nyc3]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

Great theory now explain why they dont sell it at the going market value that others are selling for? Cause they are nice guys?

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump
the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

Because that can't be possible though. If these people only knew what happened in the business world. If it's a wholesaler, I applaud them for their business model.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

Can those who are saying this is legit please explain how an ebayer who sells 200k on ebay with losses in the 50-60 k range before fees is not doing something illegal... especially when the same person person could have easily made an extra 40k without paying any fees?

 

[Erich]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

I get that they are dropshipping but how do we know 100% they are paying the distributors/dealers full price as some of you have said. For all we know they may be paying the dealers 100 bucks less than what they are selling them for. Is there proof? Are one of you guys the dealers?. What Chris wrote makes sense.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Then business majors turn into attorneys.

I wanna meet a money launder, Who would make such a large paper trail behind them. In school, they actually show you sings of someone trying to launder money. Plus they would of have to walked in a bank with the cash, They report deposits over a certain amount. Plus the deposit of cash in large amounts made regulary in a non business account would be reported. Unless they're using a credit card to launder the money haha.

I don't think anyone really thinks its money laundering... I think everyone believes its a ponzi scheme

If it is, I think their cash would of been long eaten up by now. They would be dipping into the cash and buying product to keep a legit appearance going. Unless like I said, They have another account drawing in cash. A ponzi scheme needs large amounts of cash to keep going. Plus ponzi schemes really only pay profits and not principal.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

I get that they are dropshipping but how do we know 100% they are paying the distributors/dealers full price as some of you have said. For all we know they may be paying the dealers 100 bucks less than what they are selling them for. Is there proof? Are one of you guys the dealers?. What Chris wrote makes sense.

I been saying that, People just wanna believe it's a scam. My explanations might of been too complicated?

 

[ChasHawk]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

I get that they are dropshipping but how do we know 100% they are paying the distributors/dealers full price as some of you have said. For all we know they may be paying the dealers 100 bucks less than what they are selling them for. Is there proof? Are one of you guys the dealers?. What Chris wrote makes sense.

I been saying that, People just wanna believe it's a scam. My explanations might of been too complicated?

Rob - it's not complicated.

Let's just say for sake of arguement that you want to undercut your competition, establish yourself, dominate the market, whatever.

If a product routinely sells for $1,800....why in the hell would you sell for $1,100....when you could sell for $1600 and still WAAAAAYYYYY undercut everyone else?

This is not about dumping a loser product that you ordered too much of and need to clear out old stock.
If that was the case, I'd agree with you. This is a BRAND NEW product that's not even out yet.

 

[Erich]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

I get that they are dropshipping but how do we know 100% they are paying the distributors/dealers full price as some of you have said. For all we know they may be paying the dealers 100 bucks less than what they are selling them for. Is there proof? Are one of you guys the dealers?. What Chris wrote makes sense.

I been saying that, People just wanna believe it's a scam. My explanations might of been too complicated?

I am by no means an expert and really don't know how this stuff works. I just want to see proof one way or the other that they are paying full price for the cases and I will then eat my crow.

 

[Guest]

Why is no one willing to consider that the transactions on DealerNet may be false to report back to the manufacturer that the product was sold to at the agreed upon price so that they don't incur industry backlash.

That leaves mamabear as a perceived seperate entity, with seperate paper trail, to dump the excess product for distributor without invoking the wrath of the manufacturer?

I get that they are dropshipping but how do we know 100% they are paying the distributors/dealers full price as some of you have said. For all we know they may be paying the dealers 100 bucks less than what they are selling them for. Is there proof? Are one of you guys the dealers?. What Chris wrote makes sense.

I been saying that, People just wanna believe it's a scam. My explanations might of been too complicated?

Rob - it's not complicated.

Let's just say for sake of arguement that you want to undercut your competition, establish yourself, dominate the market, whatever.

If a product routinely sells for $1,800....why in the hell would you sell for $1,100....when you could sell for $1600 and still WAAAAAYYYYY undercut everyone else?

This is not about dumping a loser product that you ordered too much of and need to clear out old stock.
If that was the case, I'd agree with you. This is a BRAND NEW product that's not even out yet.

I think it has to do with volume. Yes, maybe some would buy at $1,600. But, at $1,100 you'd be opening yourself up to buyer's you'd never otherwise get.

If you're goal is to sell 100% of your product at any price, rather than x% at a good price, then what their doing makes sense.

I think a lot of people on here are used to holding their items for the price they want ... but here we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars. That's serious change. And I could see a situation where a business that was forced to buy too much product and tied up too much of their funds in product would want to quickly dump as much as they possibly could at any price to regain solvency.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Is there a way too see transactions on dealernet? I am under the assumption that it's a dealer to dealer site or am I wrong? If it's dealer to dealer, I still think it's legit and like stated before a created entity to throw the companies hounds off.

Mamabear finds pre sell cases on dealernet, They contact the seller and first question is, Did you receive a deposit on these cases from customers? If the LCS did, They offer the difference on direct cost. So they already bought the case below cost. They might also make an offer to cover the cost of the LCS shipping it for them. They buy 40 cases in this manner, and can profit 45-65 a case after fees, They make easy money for very little effort. Even if the profit is 20 bucks a case, Still making money for a few emails.

 

[SeattleSports]

Is there a way too see transactions on dealernet? I am under the assumption that it's a dealer to dealer site or am I wrong? If it's dealer to dealer, I still think it's legit and like stated before a created entity to throw the companies hounds off.

Mamabear finds pre sell cases on dealernet, They contact the seller and first question is, Did you receive a deposit on these cases from customers? If the LCS did, They offer the difference on direct cost. So they already bought the case below cost. They might also make an offer to cover the cost of the LCS shipping it for them. They buy 40 cases in this manner, and can profit 45-65 a case after fees, They make easy money for very little effort. Even if the profit is 20 bucks a case, Still making money for a few emails.

... I give up.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

Is there a way too see transactions on dealernet? I am under the assumption that it's a dealer to dealer site or am I wrong? If it's dealer to dealer, I still think it's legit and like stated before a created entity to throw the companies hounds off.

Mamabear finds pre sell cases on dealernet, They contact the seller and first question is, Did you receive a deposit on these cases from customers? If the LCS did, They offer the difference on direct cost. So they already bought the case below cost. They might also make an offer to cover the cost of the LCS shipping it for them. They buy 40 cases in this manner, and can profit 45-65 a case after fees, They make easy money for very little effort. Even if the profit is 20 bucks a case, Still making money for a few emails.

That is not how dealernet works. On dealernet there are buys and sells on every product. Any dealer on the network can fill a buy or sell at the listed price. Mamabear has sold every case at least 20-30% below what buyers are offering and that is the major reason no one believes this is legit along with the fact that at least one distributor has stated that they sold cards to mamabear at the current sell price

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Is there a way too see transactions on dealernet? I am under the assumption that it's a dealer to dealer site or am I wrong? If it's dealer to dealer, I still think it's legit and like stated before a created entity to throw the companies hounds off.

Mamabear finds pre sell cases on dealernet, They contact the seller and first question is, Did you receive a deposit on these cases from customers? If the LCS did, They offer the difference on direct cost. So they already bought the case below cost. They might also make an offer to cover the cost of the LCS shipping it for them. They buy 40 cases in this manner, and can profit 45-65 a case after fees, They make easy money for very little effort. Even if the profit is 20 bucks a case, Still making money for a few emails.

... I give up.

Why? Because I am giving answers that are possible to do business under? But you're an obvious expert in the hobby, Explain to me what's going on with mama bear? I would be happy with 15 bucks a case with selling 40 cases at a time for typing out a few auctions.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

I really didn't know how things worked on that site. But I still believe it's the account of a major player in the hobby and giving the appearance they're buying product on that site to sell on eBay. What is cost on Bowman Sterling anyway?

P.S. I keep thing your shop is in Bellmawr and not Belmar. I was in Bellmawr and kept asking people where your shop was.

Is there a way too see transactions on dealernet? I am under the assumption that it's a dealer to dealer site or am I wrong? If it's dealer to dealer, I still think it's legit and like stated before a created entity to throw the companies hounds off.

Mamabear finds pre sell cases on dealernet, They contact the seller and first question is, Did you receive a deposit on these cases from customers? If the LCS did, They offer the difference on direct cost. So they already bought the case below cost. They might also make an offer to cover the cost of the LCS shipping it for them. They buy 40 cases in this manner, and can profit 45-65 a case after fees, They make easy money for very little effort. Even if the profit is 20 bucks a case, Still making money for a few emails.

That is not how dealernet works. On dealernet there are buys and sells on every product. Any dealer on the network can fill a buy or sell at the listed price. Mamabear has sold every case at least 20-30% below what buyers are offering and that is the major reason no one believes this is legit along with the fact that at least one distributor has stated that they sold cards to mamabear at the current sell price

 

[SeattleSports]

Cost is over $1600 per 8 box case or $200 per box.

 

[wickedliquids]

Why? Because I am giving answers that are possible to do business under? But you're an obvious expert in the hobby, Explain to me what's going on with mama bear? I would be happy with 15 bucks a case with selling 40 cases at a time for typing out a few auctions.

+1

I think it ultimately boils down to what Mamabear is buying at vs what they're being sold to them at, which was what my original response was trying to get at; until WE know what the cost was to mamabear, there isn't much of an argument.

Using past costs and numbers is great - but that was a year ago and I still don't see an invoice or anything solid stating otherwise.

I wholeheartedly agree that that one should err on the side of caution if you don't feel comfortable enough to buy from them, then don't, you certainly have that right. And if you do, as many posts have said here, buy with protection.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

I really didn't know how things worked on that site. But I still believe it's the account of a major player in the hobby and giving the appearance they're buying product on that site to sell on eBay. What is cost on Bowman Sterling anyway?

P.S. I keep thing your shop is in Bellmawr and not Belmar. I was in Bellmawr and kept asking people where your shop was.

It could be a big player, but its highly unlikely, becaue they easily could move quantities to someon like da or blowout or other distributors and still make a lot more money... Cost on sterling is around 205....Yeah I get calls asking what's the best way to get to the store from philly.