More mama_bear** discussion...

[bmc398]

So has mamabear confirmed to anyone here that their Sterling case(s) are shipping? I bought one and have e-mailed twice regarding shipping this week and didn't get a response.

I get the feeling a refund is coming soon....

Dear llwesman,

As soon as I have it I will send it along. Just like everyone else, my distributors (who assured me availability)have gone into hiding with regard to this item. I have been able to find a few cases a day and while the price has been steep, I just want them available, and I will pay whatever i need to in order to service my customers. This is the first item I have had trouble obtaining any product, but I am determined to fill every order no matter what the cost. I am willing to refund if that is what you want, but I am not looking for the easy way out, I would prefer to find the cases and get them to you. If you are ok with me shipping ones or twos until your order is complete, it would be easier than trying to find all at once. Please let me know.

- mama_bear**

While thats good service and all, thats not what you signed up for. Its probably already not worth the hassle for you.

He wants you to get pissed and ask for a refund. No doubt about that.

If he wanted a buyer to get pissed and ask for a refund, he wouldn't go through the trouble of typing that response. He could simply ISSUE a refund, which is much easier.

If he straight up issues the refund, you can leave feed back though right?

If you request to cancel the transaction you cant. I might be wrong on that.

Also, if lawyers and crap get involved it might not be so easy to get your money back as it could get tied up in litigation. If you use a credit card you'd be safer but I just wouldn't ever risk it. Too much money to be on the hook for at any time with the outcome so up in the air.

 

[danimal]

Mama_bear is a freaking genius. They are basically short selling every new product the only instead of taking a bath on items that shoot up in price they are just going to refund your money. So they are guaranteeing themselves a profit at buyer's expense. They are only going to be able to pick up junk products that tank at release and then use the "distributor is ignoring me excuse", thus passing the blame to someone else and they then just simply refund your money back in essences giving themselves an interest free loan at your expense!

 

[allstarauction]

If anyone is owed multiple cases and takes a partial shipment of the order then you are just opening yourself up to another set of potential problems.

I can't believe people haven't already filed for their money back here. By the time the cases are supplied, all of the low level prospects won't sell for crap. You will need the big hits to make your money back, even at the reduced price you paid.

 

[SeattleSports]

If anyone is owed multiple cases and takes a partial shipment of the order then you are just opening yourself up to another set of potential problems.

I can't believe people haven't already filed for their money back here. By the time the cases are supplied, all of the low level prospects won't sell for crap. You will need the big hits to make your money back, even at the reduced price you paid.

No, not even close. If people ACTUALLY get their product for $1100 they will make GREAT money. Hell, I'm sure Andrew will gladly buy at $1800 for a group break. You could sell packs on here all day at $40 a pop as well. If people actually get what they ordered and mama_bear just takes the loss, there is great money to be made. But the odds of getting the product isnt exactly high at this point.

 

[bmc398]

If anyone is owed multiple cases and takes a partial shipment of the order then you are just opening yourself up to another set of potential problems.

I can't believe people haven't already filed for their money back here. By the time the cases are supplied, all of the low level prospects won't sell for crap. You will need the big hits to make your money back, even at the reduced price you paid.

No, not even close. If people ACTUALLY get their product for $1100 they will make GREAT money. Hell, I'm sure Andrew will gladly buy at $1800 for a group break. You could sell packs on here all day at $40 a pop as well. If people actually get what they ordered and mama_bear just takes the loss, there is great money to be made. But the odds of getting the product isnt exactly high at this point.

You don't get it....nobody is getting Sterling from them. They took a bet and lost. To sell at $1100 would be suicide for his outfit.

It was an interest free loan to the guy, not to mention a headache and a half and worry about if you're getting a case or not.

 

[hail2thevictors]

[quote="crowTrobot"bpoydu6][quote="rico08"bpoydu6]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quotebpoydu6]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.[/quotebpoydu6]
Unfortunately, you don't get it. This isn't about having $3500 "I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time." As I said, I bought 2 cases for $2100 total(much less after bigcrumbs and ebay bucks), and I paid in early January. My money will certainly not be in limbo for months at a time. By the end of this month, if I don't have a tracking # for my cases, a claim will be filed, and my money will be right back where it started a month ago, in my bank account.

 

[bmc398]

[quote="LLWesMan":3qyn6wuz][quote="crowTrobot":3qyn6wuz][quote="rico08":3qyn6wuz]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quote:3qyn6wuz]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.[/quote:3qyn6wuz]
Unfortunately, you don't get it. This isn't about having $3500 "I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time." As I said, I bought 2 cases for $2100 total(much less after bigcrumbs and ebay bucks), and I paid in early January. My money will certainly not be in limbo for months at a time. By the end of this month, if I don't have a tracking # for my cases, a claim will be filed, and my money will be right back where it started a month ago, in my bank account.[/quote:3qyn6wuz]
Plus a headache plus the opportunity cost of what you could have done with the money.

If you weren't worried, you wouldnt be checking the thread non-stop

 

[Fandruw25]

Plus a headache plus the opportunity cost of what you could have done with the money.

If you weren't worried, you wouldnt be checking the thread non-stop

Are you upset because you didn't get in on it? It seems your checking the thread non-stop as well. Considering you don't have anything tied up with the seller, why do you care so much?

 

[bmc398]

Plus a headache plus the opportunity cost of what you could have done with the money.

If you weren't worried, you wouldnt be checking the thread non-stop

Are you upset because you didn't get in on it? It seems your checking the thread non-stop as well. Considering you don't have anything tied up with the seller, why do you care so much?

Because I think its absolutely hilarious that these guys fell for this crap.

Its obvious that something isn't right here. You could A. put your foot down and say "why am I going to help this guy stay in business when hes obviously up to something" or you can get greedy and do B. which is give him an interest free loan and help him keep his scheme going.

The attitude of Im going to profit and somebody else will get stuck with the bill is a terrible one to have. Sure, im anonymous on here and nobody is going to judge me for that...but that doesnt mean its the right thing to do.

 

[Wes]

[quote="bmc398":39tjjq3q][quote="LLWesMan":39tjjq3q][quote="crowTrobot":39tjjq3q][quote="rico08":39tjjq3q]It doesn't matter!

maybe not to you. but some buyers have undoubtedly made thousands of dollars off this, knowing full well that it isn't going to last. they took a small gamble tying up their money for a short period and got what they ordered. it is looking like sterling MLB purchasers likely have had their money tied up for nothing, but given mamma's past record of delivering cases at similarly stupid prices it was worth the gamble to them.

Exactly.

But you haven't made squat....and still have a lot of money tied up.

It's a no lose situation. Either you get your product and then sell it for a profit, or you get your money back. Sure, the money is tied up, but it's not like you'll walk away with anything less than what you have in it....To me this is no different than prospecting.

Exactly.

Some people just don't get it-there is really no way to lose here. If they deliver, I'm making $500+ on each case I bought. If they don't deliver, I file my claim and have my money back. The $2000 I spent was not money that I needed, so it isn't costing me anything by having money tied up for a couple of weeks.[/quote:39tjjq3q]

I get. I do. But I really don't have $3500 I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time. Sure, you'll get the refund....but what if you don't? What if the guy has run off with so much money and it becomes such an issue that the whole thing gets clogged up as far as eBay is concearned? Then the money sits for longer?

There is a ton of risk here....and sure a bad outcome is not probable but you're so sure this makes all the sense in the world....when it makes just as much sense to walk away.[/quote:39tjjq3q]
Unfortunately, you don't get it. This isn't about having $3500 "I can toss to this guy and have up in limbo for months at a time." As I said, I bought 2 cases for $2100 total(much less after bigcrumbs and ebay bucks), and I paid in early January. My money will certainly not be in limbo for months at a time. By the end of this month, if I don't have a tracking # for my cases, a claim will be filed, and my money will be right back where it started a month ago, in my bank account.[/quote:39tjjq3q]
Plus a headache plus the opportunity cost of what you could have done with the money.

If you weren't worried, you wouldnt be checking the thread non-stop [/quote:39tjjq3q]

My head feels fine and the $6k I will have had tied up for three weeks would have just been sitting in a checking account. Even if you say it's a 90% chance the cases aren't delievered, I'll take a 10% chance of doubling my money and 90% chance of breaking even over a 100% chance of breaking even.

 

[JEA2880]

It's easy to see how Madoff went unquestioned for such a long time. This is the card equivalent of a ponzi scheme.

 

[bmc398]

It's easy to see how Madoff went unquestioned for such a long time. This is the card equivalent of a ponzi scheme.

People see cash money dollars and common sense goes out the window. If everybody stopped fronting this guy $$$ hed pack up and let the legitimate sellers back in.

 

[cmnkb8]

If he wanted a buyer to get pissed and ask for a refund, he wouldn't go through the trouble of typing that response. He could simply ISSUE a refund, which is much easier.

If he straight up issues the refund, you can leave feed back though right?

If you request to cancel the transaction you cant. I might be wrong on that.

Also, if lawyers and crap get involved it might not be so easy to get your money back as it could get tied up in litigation. If you use a credit card you'd be safer but I just wouldn't ever risk it. Too much money to be on the hook for at any time with the outcome so up in the air.

A buyer can request a refund and still be able to leave feedback. I intend to do that if he doesn't get me a shipping confirmation by early next week (he promised it would ship early THIS week, and it hasn't), and leave a neutral feedback stating he failed to deliver as promised.

edit: I should add that requesting a refund doesn't equate to "canceling a transaction" as ebay sees it. It's the same as the seller issuing it voluntarily.

 

[bmc398]

If he wanted a buyer to get pissed and ask for a refund, he wouldn't go through the trouble of typing that response. He could simply ISSUE a refund, which is much easier.

If he straight up issues the refund, you can leave feed back though right?

If you request to cancel the transaction you cant. I might be wrong on that.

Also, if lawyers and crap get involved it might not be so easy to get your money back as it could get tied up in litigation. If you use a credit card you'd be safer but I just wouldn't ever risk it. Too much money to be on the hook for at any time with the outcome so up in the air.

A buyer can request a refund and still be able to leave feedback. I intend to do that if he doesn't get me a shipping confirmation by early next week (he promised it would ship early THIS week, and it hasn't), and leave a neutral feedback stating he failed to deliver as promised.

edit: I should add that requesting a refund doesn't equate to "canceling a transaction" as ebay sees it. It's the same as the seller issuing it voluntarily.

Thanks for the clear up on that. THat adds an interesting element to it. If the negs pile up, eBay will have to do something right? Like if you sell 100 of something and deliver 0 of them that has to get you more than a slap on the wrist, even if everybody gets their $$ back.

Will be interesting to see how this crumbles.

 

[cmnkb8]

If he wanted a buyer to get pissed and ask for a refund, he wouldn't go through the trouble of typing that response. He could simply ISSUE a refund, which is much easier.

If he straight up issues the refund, you can leave feed back though right?

If you request to cancel the transaction you cant. I might be wrong on that.

Also, if lawyers and crap get involved it might not be so easy to get your money back as it could get tied up in litigation. If you use a credit card you'd be safer but I just wouldn't ever risk it. Too much money to be on the hook for at any time with the outcome so up in the air.

A buyer can request a refund and still be able to leave feedback. I intend to do that if he doesn't get me a shipping confirmation by early next week (he promised it would ship early THIS week, and it hasn't), and leave a neutral feedback stating he failed to deliver as promised.

edit: I should add that requesting a refund doesn't equate to "canceling a transaction" as ebay sees it. It's the same as the seller issuing it voluntarily.

Thanks for the clear up on that. THat adds an interesting element to it. If the negs pile up, eBay will have to do something right? Like if you sell 100 of something and deliver 0 of them that has to get you more than a slap on the wrist, even if everybody gets their $$ back.

Will be interesting to see how this crumbles.

In theory, Ebay will do something once enough claims come in. I've seen a number of sellers with tons of negatives about non-delivery still be allowed to sell on ebay (although they don't sell cards).

 

[markakis8]

i guess im a little confused as to how the ponzi scheme works here with so little money...

ok, this guy took a gamble and tried to short sell sterling and it failed and now he's biting a big one.
i get the buyers basically gave him a "short team interest free loan" if it doesn't work out...but it's not like he could spend that money...he has to refund it all back....so if he used any of it, how is he going to be refunding all his buyers?

 

[AKA Coastal]

Is everyone still guaranteed their money back even if the seller empties their paypal account?

 

[jbhofmann]

Is everyone still guaranteed their money back even if the seller empties their paypal account?

Credit card companies will hunt him down and throw him into a 1000 gallon tank full of stingrays.

In short, yes.

 

[SamHell]

Is everyone still guaranteed their money back even if the seller empties their paypal account?

Credit card companies will hunt him down and throw him into a 1000 gallon tank full of stingrays.

New promotion to boost attendance at Tampa Bay Rays games?

 

[011873]

For all who dont get their cases, you should leave a neg even if you get your money back.

Mama bear will keep on doing what he is doing, getting an interest free load from your money and then claim "I got screwed by my dist" when a product takes off.