move on please.

[Ty Hope]

---edit: let the thread die, it has been resolved.---

I have been vocal about certain issues with Leaf products in the past (mainly stickers), but one product that I have ALWAYS praised and purchased is celebrity cuts.

So today I get off a 13 hour flight and decided to grab a pack of 2011 cuts to relax. Sure there are good and bad names to be pulled, I am totally cool with that. What I am NOT cool with is what I got today...

... a dual auto of Carmen Electra and Dennis Rodman that are STICKER AUTOS! The pairing is awesome, but what in the blue hell are stickers doing in a cut product???? I am truly dumbfounded by this and would very kindly like to ask BG how something like this is green-lit? Taking a pic as we speak, but it is one of the most pathetic looking things I have EVER seen. This takes laziness and not caring about the customer to a whole new level IMO. (and yes, I know Tri-Star did the same thing before... but that is freaking TRI-STAR and cheap and pathetic is to be expected...)

BG, please tell me the reasoning behind this because as a customer who spent $90 on a cut-auto product, I feel like I've been slapped in the face.

(pic on the way)

 

[boomo]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG)

even stickers tyster, maybe it will get 110

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG)

Here it is... It looks like they are signed on brown paper, but I can assure you they are just stickers slapped on a brown colored background. Up close its very easy to tell.

Dear God is this thing hideous...

 

[smapdi]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

Without pictures, that makes a poor 'baseball card.' But as autograph collectors go, that's pretty nice presentation. Since it's marketed to sportscards people, there's no doubt disappointment. But if all you care about is the ink, it's an interesting piece, I suppose, depending on your level of interest in the subjects.

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I'm cool with the pairing. I've pulled MUCH worse than this as far as star-power goes.

My problem is that when I think "cuts" I think checks, photos, or even index cards. These are just stickers that can be slapped on anything. For a cut-auto product this is totally unacceptable.

 

[MartinFFcollector]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

Authentic. Cut. Signature. 2 out of 3 aint bad... Sportscard industry new standard.

 

[masonphillip]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

would you rather have a cut of someone you'd never heard of?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I'm cool with the pairing. I've pulled MUCH worse than this as far as star-power goes.

My problem is that when I think "cuts" I think checks, photos, or even index cards. These are just stickers that can be slapped on anything. For a cut-auto product this is totally unacceptable.

I
'm not knocking you, trying to figure it out.

IF you don't care about the auto not being on card, and are all right with the auto being a "cut" -- what does it matter if it's cut from a check, from an auto'ed photo or index card, or a sticker?

Personally, I think that card-cannibalism, when a cut auto is taken from another card or picture, is absolutely grotesque.

 

[1st4040]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

There is a Canseco /7 done the exact same way in this product.. There is so much for Canseco auto's out there available that I feel the same way about the "cut" card. it was just an easy way for them to use up leftover sticker auto's signed probably for the pop century product.

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

would you rather have a cut of someone you'd never heard of?

If it was an actual cut instead of this crap, then YES.

 

[masonphillip]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

[phil:2pg0bjyi]220831238887[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - here is a previous sale

It looks like a sale of $50-$60 would put it somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Lesser Sales:

[phil:2pg0bjyi]120764356675[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Henry Hill Mobster
[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730698716[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Michael Dukakis
[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730694879[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Tommy Chong
[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730691269[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Fats Domino

but some better sales too:

[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730692089[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Taylor Swift
[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730661815[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Harrison Ford
[phil:2pg0bjyi]110730661815[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Charlie Sheen
[phil:2pg0bjyi]120764024940[/phil:2pg0bjyi] - Nixon

I guess the sticker autos doesn't bother me much, one way or the other you know you are going to get a small slip of something paper like encased in a bgs case, who cares if it is cut from something else or stands alone.

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

[quote="Ty Hope":h0fmzhjy]I'm cool with the pairing. I've pulled MUCH worse than this as far as star-power goes.

My problem is that when I think "cuts" I think checks, photos, or even index cards. These are just stickers that can be slapped on anything. For a cut-auto product this is totally unacceptable.

I
'm not knocking you, trying to figure it out.

IF you don't care about the auto not being on card, and are all right with the auto being a "cut" -- what does it matter if it's cut from a check, from an auto'ed photo or index card, or a sticker?

Personally, I think that card-cannibalism, when a cut auto is taken from another card or picture, is absolutely grotesque.[/quote:h0fmzhjy]

I know what you are saying, but sticker autos and cut-autos are not the same thing. They just aren't.

And I do agree that on-card autos cut to make a cut-auto is unacceptable as well.

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

[phil:21gelzwu]220831238887[/phil:21gelzwu] - here is a previous sale

It looks like a sale of $50-$60 would put it somewhere in the middle of the pack.

Lesser Sales:

[phil:21gelzwu]120764356675[/phil:21gelzwu] - Henry Hill Mobster
[phil:21gelzwu]110730698716[/phil:21gelzwu] - Michael Dukakis
[phil:21gelzwu]110730694879[/phil:21gelzwu] - Tommy Chong
[phil:21gelzwu]110730691269[/phil:21gelzwu] - Fats Domino

but some better sales too:

[phil:21gelzwu]110730692089[/phil:21gelzwu] - Taylor Swift
[phil:21gelzwu]110730661815[/phil:21gelzwu] - Harrison Ford
[phil:21gelzwu]110730661815[/phil:21gelzwu] - Charlie Sheen
[phil:21gelzwu]120764024940[/phil:21gelzwu] - Nixon

I guess the sticker autos doesn't bother me much, one way or the other you know you are going to get a small slip of something paper like encased in a bgs case, who cares if it is cut from something else or stands alone.

Value means absolutely nothing to me here. Nothing at all. This could be a $300 value card and I would still be making this argument because I rip products like this for my PC, not profit or resale. As a collector of cut autos, I find this to be a kick in the nuts and slap in the face. It is just a leftover sticker from the warehouse slapped on and disguised as a "cut".

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

There is a Canseco /7 done the exact same way in this product.. There is so much for Canseco auto's out there available that I feel the same way about the "cut" card. it was just an easy way for them to use up leftover sticker auto's signed probably for the pop century product.

Yup, pretty much this. Just leftovers made to look like "cuts".

 

[clarkfan]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

[quote="Ty Hope":3fiu20y1]I'm cool with the pairing. I've pulled MUCH worse than this as far as star-power goes.

My problem is that when I think "cuts" I think checks, photos, or even index cards. These are just stickers that can be slapped on anything. For a cut-auto product this is totally unacceptable.

I
'm not knocking you, trying to figure it out.

IF you don't care about the auto not being on card, and are all right with the auto being a "cut" -- what does it matter if it's cut from a check, from an auto'ed photo or index card, or a sticker?

Personally, I think that card-cannibalism, when a cut auto is taken from another card or picture, is absolutely grotesque.[/quote:3fiu20y1]


I actually agree with this guy. Here is what I hate the most. When Upper Deck, which seemed to be the worst about it, but any card company for that matter buys a $150 to $300 Ted Williams/Mickey Mantle/You Insert Player autographed postcard on the open market, cuts it up, re-inserts it into a pack, serially numbers it to 3, 5, 7, 9, whatever, and now the card is worth $1200-2000. That is horrible. Cut's or Sticker's basically suck all the way around. If the player has other options (didn't die before the autograph craze), then going on card is the only way to go for me. Sometimes, cut's or even stickers in the rare case, are the only way to obtain the signature, so then I'm interested, but paying more for a Ted Williams or Mickey Mantle autograph just because UD cut it up and told me they could make it more rare, that's crazy. A quick search on ebay didn't yield exactly what I was talking about, but here's an example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TED-WILLIAM...0558371277?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item25620651cd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TED-WILLIAM...565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4833ec54ed

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I understand what you're saying, but the only topic I'm trying to address and get answers from with this thread is regarding stickers in cut products. I too hate cut up cards for cuts, but let's save that one for another day. Really hope BG gives an answer as to how this was green-lit. I was sick to my stomach when I opened the pack.

 

[JackLondon]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I agree with Ty.

He bought a product called a cut and received sticker autos; not the same thing at all. I, too, would be irritated if it had happened to me.

 

[alexs64]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I agree with Ty.

He bought a product called a cut and received sticker autos; not the same thing at all. I, too, would be irritated if it had happened to me.

After reading this thread, it seemed like only TY was getting his own point. Thanks, for also seeing it. I agree with Ty, if I buy something called Leaf Sticker autos and get a bunch of cut autos I am going to be pissed. What if I am that 1 in a billion person that likes sticker autos?? :lol: :lol:

On a serious note, Ty, I am with you. Total shaft city, when you buy something you expect it to be that product. A sticker is NOT a cut no matter how you display it. And I know for a fact you buy for PC and not resale.

 

[Ty Hope]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

I agree with Ty.

He bought a product called a cut and received sticker autos; not the same thing at all. I, too, would be irritated if it had happened to me.

After reading this thread, it seemed like only TY was getting his own point. Thanks, for also seeing it. I agree with Ty, if I buy something called Leaf Sticker autos and get a bunch of cut autos I am going to be pissed. What if I am that 1 in a billion person that likes sticker autos?? :lol: :lol:

On a serious note, Ty, I am with you. Total shaft city, when you buy something you expect it to be that product. A sticker is NOT a cut no matter how you display it. And I know for a fact you buy for PC and not resale.

THANKED!!

 

[Guest]

Re: Seriously Leaf... (calling BG) pic added

Stickers or cuts, that card is very ugly. It needs pictures or some other background, not just a blank paper background around the sticker