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[itsinthegrade]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

 

[mchenrycards]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

Cant agree with you more Jeff!!

 

[goldenegg1]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

I don't think people were attacking you for posting the information, as much as I think people are simply attacking you because of the way you posted it. I think if you left out the "it's not open for discussion" part, it would have been a lot different. And in regards to contacting the authorities, it is that easy, you provide them the info and let them seek out the rest. If you can't post on a message board and not be able to handle the criticism that follows, then maybe you shouldn't post controversial information on a message board.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

I don't think people were attacking you for posting the information, as much as I think people are simply attacking you because of the way you posted it. I think if you left out the "it's not open for discussion" part, it would have been a lot different. And in regards to contacting the authorities, it is that easy, you provide them the info and let them seek out the rest. If you can't post on a message board and not be able to handle the criticism that follows, then maybe you shouldn't post controversial information on a message board.

Not only is it controversial, it's actionable. If I were counsel for Mr. Burge, and had a healthy retainer, I'd be going after this guy with a cease and desist, as well as a claim for defamation. Since he worked for James Spence and provided his real, rather unusual, name, his address would be easy to determine.

 

[Topnotchsy]

I think some of you guys have taken the "It's not up for debate" way out of context. It seemed to me that all he was saying was that these are the facts he knows, and he's not really interested (or able) reveal his sources so those who feel they need more information should choose to ignore the post because that's all they are going to get.

People seem to be pretty riled up over this but no one seems to be refuting what the OP says. Some have problems with his style, his eBay prices, his choice to post about baseball cards on a baseball card message board etc. but considering he left the caveat for those who would prefer to dismiss the claims, I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

[A_Pharis]

So young, so angry -- damn you, rap music!

 

[itsinthegrade]

[quote="Jeff N.":28t9kh3h]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

I don't think people were attacking you for posting the information, as much as I think people are simply attacking you because of the way you posted it. I think if you left out the "it's not open for discussion" part, it would have been a lot different. And in regards to contacting the authorities, it is that easy, you provide them the info and let them seek out the rest. If you can't post on a message board and not be able to handle the criticism that follows, then maybe you shouldn't post controversial information on a message board.

Not only is it controversial, it's actionable. If I were counsel for Mr. Burge, and had a healthy retainer, I'd be going after this guy with a cease and desist, as well as a claim for defamation. Since he worked for James Spence and provided his real, rather unusual, name, his address would be easy to determine.[/quote:28t9kh3h]


I said I want going to post on this topic anymore but after reading what your writing I have come to the conclusion that your are a major loser.

You must be a laywer because you know so much about the law?? You are clueless. Sue me for defamation for saying that he's selling fake cards. Do you really think Burge would want to bring all his Ebay Id's & scams to public. Also all the people he screwed that would come forward. Please get lost, you sound more like a *******.

I'm sorry for anyone I offend by this but Jeff is a fkn moron.

Another thing I can sell my cards for what ever price I want. I can also list them how I want. A lot little kids on here who really know nothing about life. All they know is the diff between a blue & gold refractor.

Jeff you seem knowledgable about everyones business but your own. I think you should contact Burge & represent him. I would love to see both of you in a court house.

Law offices of Jacoby & Myers Contact them moron.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Jeff I think you should contact Burge & represent him.

BOO-YA!

I don't know why but I had to quote that.

Carry on.





And whatever happened to Cardcop, anyway?

 

[jeff550]

ok how about this. the first person to contact any authority other than ebay paypal etc i will send a card. i am not old enought to contact the authorites or i would have by now. just show me proof of contacting authorities and i will send you a free auto of a player your collect. if you want my email pm me.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Alright...enough of the name calling.

Suspensions come next for personal attacks.

 

[jeff550]

Alright...enough of the name calling.

Suspensions come next for personal attacks.

thank you for steping in an ending this. you gave it time and it didnt get better. may to step up to the plate mike.

 

[predatorkj]

its kind of funny that none of you will lift a finger to try to stop it.None.

That's not true. While I have not made a huge impact, I have done what I felt was within my capibilities and acted on situations where I felt I had enough proof. I do agree that more should be done by those who have hard evidence and have dealt with these scammers. Luckily I have not had any transactions with them and my only weapon is spreading the word. There has been a few situations where I have stopped a scam but unfortunately feel it was only going to happen again.
I do know of others on other boards who actively pursue and report and dont post their findings for fear of payback. Thanks to those who do or try to make an impact. All knowledge of scammers or anti scammer action taken is benificial IMO.

My point is that if you haven't dealt with him and actually seen provable evidence...its a moot point.I know a couple of local guys who supposedly forge autos and are very shady.I have heard the same exact story to a T from many different sources.And by "To a T", I mean to a T!To the point of you know its more than likely true since it would be kind of hard for every single person I talk to know the same exact details.Basically these cats are up to no good.Everyone knows it.One of them got busted a while back because somebody took what they knew and reported it and did something about it.And while I have dealt with them once and do not approve of their business practices, I just don't deal with them.I will caution people but I personally have not seen anything of theirs being forged.From what I can tell they are just straight up guys but albeit a little distasteful.So , since I can't prove, personally, anything I have heard, then I don't preach it as the gospel truth.Because I don't have a way to back it up.And naturally people would want to hear my evidence or reason.

Now if you have done things to report people, then kudos to you.But you look at all the people here who have always said this and that about Burge yet none of them do anything about it.So either crap or get off the pot.I don't have any anger or any hatred towards the OP nor do I feel he is necessarily wrong with his info.And I think its a great thing for him to share his info with us.I would be a major ******* to be mad about that.But to sit here and say its not open for debate...then how the hell are we supposed to know he is not just blowing smoke up our ass?Its good to talk about this stuff.It needs to be out there.But like I said...if a lot of people here are extremely knowledgeable on the fake patches or they have seen him forging stuff...why don't you report him?It seems like some of you guys watch him like a hawk.Surely someone has a list of proof.I mean...this is like watching a crime and then just pointing it out to others.If you see a crime going on...normally you call the police.So since he is still out there selling cards it is starting to seem to me like none of you have done a lot and you are merely watching him like a hawk for your own personal entertainment.

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.

Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

While the post is useful, to some extent ...screaming "fire!" in a theatre comes to mind -- things such as "This topic isnt open for debate. You want to dismiss my claim thats fine but you were warned." don't add to your credibility. Trying to post you know everything in the world about autographs because you have a W-2 from James Spence doesn't add to your credibility.

I don't think people were attacking you for posting the information, as much as I think people are simply attacking you because of the way you posted it. I think if you left out the "it's not open for discussion" part, it would have been a lot different. And in regards to contacting the authorities, it is that easy, you provide them the info and let them seek out the rest. If you can't post on a message board and not be able to handle the criticism that follows, then maybe you shouldn't post controversial information on a message board.

Yeah...they do the investigating.You point them in the direction.

 

[itsinthegrade]

ok how about this. the first person to contact any authority other than ebay paypal etc i will send a card. i am not old enought to contact the authorites or i would have by now. just show me proof of contacting authorities and i will send you a free auto of a player your collect. if you want my email pm me.

I WASNT TALIKNG ABOUT YOU.

 

[itsinthegrade]

ok how about this. the first person to contact any authority other than ebay paypal etc i will send a card. i am not old enought to contact the authorites or i would have by now. just show me proof of contacting authorities and i will send you a free auto of a player your collect. if you want my email pm me.

I was talking about JeffN. Sorry mods but you let these guys come on here & attack me all the time. How much do you think one person can take?

Best regards!

 

[jeff550]

ok how about this. the first person to contact any authority other than ebay paypal etc i will send a card. i am not old enought to contact the authorites or i would have by now. just show me proof of contacting authorities and i will send you a free auto of a player your collect. if you want my email pm me.

I was talking about JeffN. Sorry mods but you let these guys come on here & attack me all the time. How much do you think one person can take?

Best regards!

i know that. and i wasnt try to offend you. if i did i am sorry. i just think it is time we take burge down. this is about all i can do to help take him down.

 

[predatorkj]

This will be my last post on THIS TOPIC.

I received inside info & I shared it. 1st MISTAKE! With all the know it all's & little kids these topics always go from educational to straight attacking me. I thought a message board especially a hobby one is where we do share info like this. We all pick up info & store away to use at a diff time. I guess not anymore??

No...like I said...its good that you shared the info.But people are going to want to know why what you say is true.They will want details.Obviously you feel I am attacking you but seriously...I was confused when you said its not up for debate.

Does it matter who I really get the info from?? I dont have to share it with anyone & I do. Just becuase I dont give you my source name does it make it not credible? Go ask a news reporter if they give up there sources?? No they dont. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ON THE LEVEL OF THAT BUT i DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IF I DONT WANT TO.

It does to a degree.If I tell you I really believe the world was going to end in five minutes and you asked me where I derived that conclusion from...it does matter.You are going to want to know how the hell I could possibly know that.If I say, for instance, it came from a homeless man I spoke to on the street are you going to take me seriously or believe me?Most news reporters only remain silent on their source if their source has something to hide and they must remain anonymous.And those are the kinds of stories everyone takes with an extreme grain of salt."Where'd you hear that?"..."Can't tell you."...people just don't accept that as the truth.Now if you don't want to tell then that is fine but just know that it doesn't help your case very much.

Its funny when people tell me to go to the FBI. Do any of you even know how to do that?? Its easy right? ITS NOT.

Yeah...I do.There is a field office right down the street from my mother's home.I personally don't think many here have even tried.At least not the ones going on a rant every time they see him putting a new fake up on ebay.If you aren't going to do something about it then why watch him?

I WOULD NEED A WRIITEN AFFIDAVIT OF ALL PEOPLE SCAMMED, THE CARD COMPAINES, EBAY, PAYPAL, AUTHENTICATORS & GRADERS.


Uhh...no that is the FBI's job to look into.After you report it and show them a valid piece of evidence...I would imagien they take it from there.I don't really think they need anyone to go play Dick Tracey.



Thats just the beginning.

So stop saying why dont I call the authorities. I'M NOT GETTING SCAMMMED.

Then why the hell are you so mad?People get robbed and killed every day.While I think it sucks and its horrible...since it doesn't affect me ...I don't get my cape on and go crusading through the night.I simply stay away from places that are known to be a good place to get robbed or killed and let the cops do their job.

The people who knowingly got scammed, card companies, grading & authentication companies should take action. They have the proof right in front of them.

Best regards!

I'm doing my part. I know its a very small part but I'm doing something.

All you did was state some info that you have not backed up.That is what you have done.The fact about every single one of us stays away from Burge as it is...honestly...you didn't do much.But again...I will say thank you for the unsubstantiated info.

 

[predatorkj]

I think some of you guys have taken the "It's not up for debate" way out of context. It seemed to me that all he was saying was that these are the facts he knows, and he's not really interested (or able) reveal his sources so those who feel they need more information should choose to ignore the post because that's all they are going to get.

People seem to be pretty riled up over this but no one seems to be refuting what the OP says. Some have problems with his style, his eBay prices, his choice to post about baseball cards on a baseball card message board etc. but considering he left the caveat for those who would prefer to dismiss the claims, I'm not sure what the problem is.

Like I said ten million times...I am not mad nor am I trying to attack him.I just think he needs to understand that people are not going to believe him if he wants to be that vague about how he knows what he says he knows.I mean seriously...who the hell comes on a message board and says something and then says its not up for debate?I'd hate to see him get pulled over for speeding."Sorry officer...I was not speeding and its not open for debate!"..Cop:"License and registration please.".. "Its not open for debate."..Cop: "Step out of the vehicle please."..."No...I already told you its not up for debate!"..."Cop(draws his gun)"Sir step out of the vehicle now and get down on the ground!".Seriously...maybe a little over dramatic but whenever you have controversial info to share...being able to prove it is icing on the cake!There is no icing on this cake and I don't like cake with no icing.I am sure others feel the same.

 

[itsinthegrade]

I think some of you guys have taken the "It's not up for debate" way out of context. It seemed to me that all he was saying was that these are the facts he knows, and he's not really interested (or able) reveal his sources so those who feel they need more information should choose to ignore the post because that's all they are going to get.

People seem to be pretty riled up over this but no one seems to be refuting what the OP says. Some have problems with his style, his eBay prices, his choice to post about baseball cards on a baseball card message board etc. but considering he left the caveat for those who would prefer to dismiss the claims, I'm not sure what the problem is.

Like I said ten million times...I am not mad nor am I trying to attack him.I just think he needs to understand that people are not going to believe him if he wants to be that vague about how he knows what he says he knows.I mean seriously...who the hell comes on a message board and says something and then says its not up for debate?I'd hate to see him get pulled over for speeding."Sorry officer...I was not speeding and its not open for debate!"..Cop:"License and registration please.".. "Its not open for debate."..Cop: "Step out of the vehicle please."..."No...I already told you its not up for debate!"..."Cop(draws his gun)"Sir step out of the vehicle now and get down on the ground!".Seriously...maybe a little over dramatic but whenever you have controversial info to share...being able to prove it is icing on the cake!There is no icing on this cake and I don't like cake with no icing.I am sure others feel the same.

Sgc confirmed there were altered Pujols that were trying to be passed. Numbering & signature were deemed not authentic. I guess you didnt read that?? So how are my claims vague??

 

[predatorkj]

I think some of you guys have taken the "It's not up for debate" way out of context. It seemed to me that all he was saying was that these are the facts he knows, and he's not really interested (or able) reveal his sources so those who feel they need more information should choose to ignore the post because that's all they are going to get.

People seem to be pretty riled up over this but no one seems to be refuting what the OP says. Some have problems with his style, his eBay prices, his choice to post about baseball cards on a baseball card message board etc. but considering he left the caveat for those who would prefer to dismiss the claims, I'm not sure what the problem is.

Like I said ten million times...I am not mad nor am I trying to attack him.I just think he needs to understand that people are not going to believe him if he wants to be that vague about how he knows what he says he knows.I mean seriously...who the hell comes on a message board and says something and then says its not up for debate?I'd hate to see him get pulled over for speeding."Sorry officer...I was not speeding and its not open for debate!"..Cop:"License and registration please.".. "Its not open for debate."..Cop: "Step out of the vehicle please."..."No...I already told you its not up for debate!"..."Cop(draws his gun)"Sir step out of the vehicle now and get down on the ground!".Seriously...maybe a little over dramatic but whenever you have controversial info to share...being able to prove it is icing on the cake!There is no icing on this cake and I don't like cake with no icing.I am sure others feel the same.

Sgc confirmed there were altered Pujols that were trying to be passed. Numbering & signature were deemed not authentic. I guess you didnt read that?? So how are my claims vague??

No...I did.But that isn't what we asked you.Nor did you state SGC was your source.You know what man...just forget about it.All I was saying is when you say something then back it all the way up with facts.If you can't do that then people won't believe you.If you don't like that or don't care...there isn't much I can do or say for you.The odd thing is I don't even have anything against you.But I don't get the feeling that that is mutual.