Oh How The Mighty Have Fallen... 07 BDP Moustakas Blue Ref..

[TelePlayer22]

I'm not sure that it's a question of whether or not Royals prospects are poor investments. I don't think Moustakas is as good as previously advertised.

Remember, we're looking at a guy that slugged .421 last year in nearly 500 at-bats at high-A. His K/BB ratio dropped from 2:1 in 2008 to 2.81:1 last season. He hasn't dominated any league at any point in time since being drafted.

For $30-40 per blue ref, I see a lot of room for these guys to drop.

 

[jcmint]

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

 

[arod305]

I'm not sure that it's a question of whether or not Royals prospects are poor investments. I don't think Moustakas is as good as previously advertised.

Remember, we're looking at a guy that slugged .421 last year in nearly 500 at-bats at high-A. His K/BB ratio dropped from 2:1 in 2008 to 2.81:1 last season. He hasn't dominated any league at any point in time since being drafted.

For $30-40 per blue ref, I see a lot of room for these guys to drop.

Ha I guess him hitting 21 hr in a pitchers dominate league his first year doesnt mean anything. I knew when I saw TelePlayer22 posted it would be some type of derrogartory remark.

 

[TelePlayer22]

I'm not sure that it's a question of whether or not Royals prospects are poor investments. I don't think Moustakas is as good as previously advertised.

Remember, we're looking at a guy that slugged .421 last year in nearly 500 at-bats at high-A. His K/BB ratio dropped from 2:1 in 2008 to 2.81:1 last season. He hasn't dominated any league at any point in time since being drafted.

For $30-40 per blue ref, I see a lot of room for these guys to drop.

Ha I guess him hitting 21 hr in a pitchers dominate league his first year doesnt mean anything. I knew when I saw TelePlayer22 posted it would be some type of derrogartory remark.

My reputation precedes me, I guess.

 

[Wes]

[quote="JEA2880":510r1dfe]I still don't understand why people pay big money for Royals prospects. Name me the last one that made it, both in baseball and collecting.

Made it? Could you expand on your meaning of made it?

Billy Butler (23 y/o) - .301, 51 doubles, 21 HR's, 93 RBI

WOW

And the team is worse than ever and his card prices are in the toilet, especially compared to what they were when people were eager to buy them.

As of right now Butler has made it in Baseball and he was a major player in the collecting world until he didn't immediately pan out at the age of 21...

...on any other team, a 23 y/o with those numbers would be selling for much, much more.

I think most prospectors prospect talen, much like scouts do, and aren't particularly worried about the team they are in.

You just made the point I am making for me - Royals don't make any money in the collecting world! People are putting money into these guys on the Royals expecting returns if they do well. As you have shown, Butler is certainly doing well, the numbers are superb for someone his age. With that being said, the stuff sells for NOTHING because he's in baseball purgatory. A 23 year old on the Yankees doing this would have cards selling for three figures+ (Joba, Hughes, etc.)... the point is, why buy Royals stuff when history shows you will be hard pressed to make any money off of it? It'll only get cheaper.

Actually, I simply asked for your definition of "made it."

I think you are putting too much emphasis on the Royals, but I do agree that there hasn't really been a Royal other than Greinke to have high card prices since George Brett...although Jackson was a victim of the mass produced years.[/quote:510r1dfe]

Come on Alex Gordon's chrome autos were insane.

 

[arod305]

I'm not sure that it's a question of whether or not Royals prospects are poor investments. I don't think Moustakas is as good as previously advertised.

Remember, we're looking at a guy that slugged .421 last year in nearly 500 at-bats at high-A. His K/BB ratio dropped from 2:1 in 2008 to 2.81:1 last season. He hasn't dominated any league at any point in time since being drafted.

For $30-40 per blue ref, I see a lot of room for these guys to drop.

Ha I guess him hitting 21 hr in a pitchers dominate league his first year doesnt mean anything. I knew when I saw TelePlayer22 posted it would be some type of derrogartory remark.

My reputation precedes me, I guess.

Its not a bad thing, but I knew what was coming... lol

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

Ed Zachary correct.

 

[arod305]

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

Uhh.... I agree, but also I dont the bdp blues as dead weight. However, your point is valid.

 

[chrome_ball]

Some of these prices compared to where they were at a year ago is pretty astounding. People wonder why 2007 Bowman Draft is "so cheap", but with sales like this I think it is priced about right where it should be...

 

[jcmint]

I have watched those blues go on a steady decline for awhile now. Can anyone really see them coming back up. You usually do not get hot more then once. Releasing the auto actually softened both 07 and 08.
Its not alot to put out there especially if you really believe in the player but for me id spend the $$ elsewhere.

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

Uhh.... I agree, but also I dont the bdp blues as dead weight. However, your point is valid.

 

[ballerskrip]

I have watched those blues go on a steady decline for awhile now. Can anyone really see them coming back up. You usually do not get hot more then once. Releasing the auto actually softened both 07 and 08.
Its not alot to put out there especially if you really believe in the player but for me id spend the $$ elsewhere.

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

Uhh.... I agree, but also I dont the bdp blues as dead weight. However, your point is valid.

Joe,

I agree and disagree. If Mous or Laporta etc. start to heat up, their non autograph stuff will heat up with it. Blue refractors are ALWAYS extremely popular, whether there is an autograph or not. Blue refractors are one of the most sought after cards in the prospecting universe.

At these prices, I think it is a mistake to NOT be buying. There are always better places to spend my money, but you have to be able to find the certain cards you are looking for. I think these are a good alternative, and a VERY reasonable option.

 

[jcmint]

I have watched those blues go on a steady decline for awhile now. Can anyone really see them coming back up. You usually do not get hot more then once. Releasing the auto actually softened both 07 and 08.
Its not alot to put out there especially if you really believe in the player but for me id spend the $$ elsewhere.

The non autos blues are dead weight as far as i see it. All anyone wants as a buyer seems to be the autos. Thanks Topps for releasing a base card and then an auto.

Uhh.... I agree, but also I dont the bdp blues as dead weight. However, your point is valid.

Joe,

I agree and disagree. If Mous or Laporta etc. start to heat up, their non autograph stuff will heat up with it. Blue refractors are ALWAYS extremely popular, whether there is an autograph or not. Blue refractors are one of the most sought after cards in the prospecting universe.

At these prices, I think it is a mistake to NOT be buying. There are always better places to spend my money, but you have to be able to find the certain cards you are looking for. I think these are a good alternative, and a VERY reasonable option.

Skrip we all need to look around and realize the times are changing. Alot of what you said used to be true. I no longer see it that way. I have observed way too many instances where those blues are getting less and less desirable to buyers. I took in interest with them because I own/owned a ton of them. I used to think that the rc purists wanted the 07's but from I have seen is the opposite. With that said its not a bad lay down but I would rather have an xfr auto for less.

 

[arod305]

Jcmint once again you make a very valid case. You maybe right, the blues may never reach 80 bucks or w/e they topped off at. However, if I can buy these for under 30 and I know it could easily be a 50 dollar card again. I will take 20 dollar profit. Plus here in KC a lot of people are high on him so I can do even better locally.

Once again very nice point made though.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

It's really difficult to tell if the Blue refs were damaged more by poor play or by the 08 autos.

Mous, Price, Laporta, Dominguez all slipped in performance from release

Heyward, and Bumgarner improved their stock, and it looks like even in the offseason heyward's getting 73 to 83 shipped on his blues

http://cgi.ebay.com/JASON-HEYWARD-07-BO ... 33576648b4


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Bowman-Chrome- ... 4838766a13

 

[Incline Investments]

:x

It's all about the Autos these days, and I learned that the hard way on Moustakas. Elites are not too hard to move (though still a very, very soft market), but the Blues and Golds have lost so much value.

I'll be honest I made a good amount on Moose and I thought my investment was almost covered, but I'm nearly back in the Red. Not looking good.

 

[arod305]

I wonder what his auto is even going for blue ref wise. I bought mine at 75 and thought I did alright then lol

 

[Pine Tar]

I still don't understand why people pay big money for Royals prospects. Name me the last one that made it, both in baseball and collecting.

this kid
Zack Greinke :lol:

 

[jcmint]

John those heyward blues were 90-100 last year at this time. All Heyward did this year was show he is the number one prospect in baseball besides getting called up to ATL and hitting 5 hr's what more could he have done

It's really difficult to tell if the Blue refs were damaged more by poor play or by the 08 autos.

Mous, Price, Laporta, Dominguez all slipped in performance from release

Heyward, and Bumgarner improved their stock, and it looks like even in the offseason heyward's getting 73 to 83 shipped on his blues

http://cgi.ebay.com/JASON-HEYWARD-07-BO ... 33576648b4


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Bowman-Chrome- ... 4838766a13

 

[jcmint]

You are correct with the local point that should never be underestimated.

Jcmint once again you make a very valid case. You maybe right, the blues may never reach 80 bucks or w/e they topped off at. However, if I can buy these for under 30 and I know it could easily be a 50 dollar card again. I will take 20 dollar profit. Plus here in KC a lot of people are high on him so I can do even better locally.

Once again very nice point made though.

 

[ballerskrip]

John those heyward blues were 90-100 last year at this time. All Heyward did this year was show he is the number one prospect in baseball besides getting called up to ATL and hitting 5 hr's what more could he have done

It's really difficult to tell if the Blue refs were damaged more by poor play or by the 08 autos.

Mous, Price, Laporta, Dominguez all slipped in performance from release

Heyward, and Bumgarner improved their stock, and it looks like even in the offseason heyward's getting 73 to 83 shipped on his blues

http://cgi.ebay.com/JASON-HEYWARD-07-BO ... 33576648b4


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Bowman-Chrome- ... 4838766a13

Joe,
Don't you think the autos from these same players are down a large % also? I know that Mous chrome autos are WAY down from where they were last year. The market across the board is down, to be fair.