Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts.... #3

[DeliciousBacon]

I came across this listing on COMC http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Ba ... ud/2219145 which has led me to do some research on the 1998 Finest No-Protectors, Protectors, and their respective Refractor versions.

I remember years ago when I picked up the No-Protector base version of Olerud for my PC I asked the shop owner what was to stop someone from just peeling off the protector and passing it off as a No-Protector, since the latter are supposed to be a more scarce parallel. He pointed out that the No-Protector base cards have a Refractor-like shine to the backs that's particularly noticible in the statistics/bio portion of the back. Comparing my two base versions I can see the difference.

An "R" by the card number ought to make spotting the Refractors pretty easy, but the COMC card doesn't seem to have the Refractor finish on either side. I came across this article online http://oldschoolbreaks.wordpress.com/20 ... ll-review/ that only further confuses the issue for me. The guy says, "Despite the fact that I’ve had minimal exposure to them, every unprotected refractor I had come across had the refractor finish on both sides, but no “R” on the back. However, I have also seen unprotected cards with an “R” on the back, but with no refractor finish on either side."

Can anyone shed some light on the 1998 Finest versions? The No-Protector Refractor version is the one I still need but I'm not 100% sure the one in the COMC listing is actually that card; plus could there be other variations out there?

Thanks!

That's not a No-Protector Ref, just a basic Ref. The No-Protectors Refs do not have an R on the back, while the regular Refs do. As mentioned, look for the etching around the card number and player; there's no etching/outline around Olerud on back, so that's a second way to tell it's a basic Ref. Third way to tell is that I would have bought it if it were! :lol:

 

[Will Style 13]

Todays Mail brought some finality to a few Brady Rainbows. Somehow I forgot to scan the black diamond single.

1996 Leaf

1999 Black Diamond

 

[PadresFan86]

My new pick ups. Diffractors are for trade.

 

[joey12508]

could use the bernie lmk

 

[PadresFan86]

could use the bernie lmk

I would trade it for the girl in the bikini in your photobucket :lol:

 

[AndruwHRJones]

could use the bernie lmk

Be prepared to offer body parts for it.

 

[PadresFan86]

could use the bernie lmk

Be prepared to offer body parts for it.

LOL, get over me not selling you the Jones diffractor. You offered about 1/4 of what I sold it for. Cheap skate! :lol:

 

[onionring9]

I came across this listing on COMC http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Ba ... ud/2219145 which has led me to do some research on the 1998 Finest No-Protectors, Protectors, and their respective Refractor versions.

I remember years ago when I picked up the No-Protector base version of Olerud for my PC I asked the shop owner what was to stop someone from just peeling off the protector and passing it off as a No-Protector, since the latter are supposed to be a more scarce parallel. He pointed out that the No-Protector base cards have a Refractor-like shine to the backs that's particularly noticible in the statistics/bio portion of the back. Comparing my two base versions I can see the difference.

An "R" by the card number ought to make spotting the Refractors pretty easy, but the COMC card doesn't seem to have the Refractor finish on either side. I came across this article online http://oldschoolbreaks.wordpress.com/20 ... ll-review/ that only further confuses the issue for me. The guy says, "Despite the fact that I’ve had minimal exposure to them, every unprotected refractor I had come across had the refractor finish on both sides, but no “R” on the back. However, I have also seen unprotected cards with an “R” on the back, but with no refractor finish on either side."

Can anyone shed some light on the 1998 Finest versions? The No-Protector Refractor version is the one I still need but I'm not 100% sure the one in the COMC listing is actually that card; plus could there be other variations out there?

Thanks!

I hate this set.

I've got 6 McGwire variations. I don't even have them all in my list yet, nor are they all scanned. I'll try to have them all online later next week so you can see them all and get a feel for what to look for.

 

[onionring9]

Compliments of beb8love

SP '99 Fanfest

 

[Jack Straw]

For some reason those are tough but I thought they were from 2000
not the 90's :lol: :lol:

 

[onionring9]

For some reason those are tough but I thought they were from 2000
not the 90's :lol: :lol:

2000 is the new 90's

get with it!

 

[Jack Straw]

Well this is embarrising I was thinking of the 2000
All star stamped one. Didn't realize there was a 1999
one....

 

[joey12508]

could use the bernie lmk

I would trade it for the girl in the bikini in your photobucket :lol:

miss lohan is not for trade

 

[MansGame]

I came across this listing on COMC http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Ba ... ud/2219145 which has led me to do some research on the 1998 Finest No-Protectors, Protectors, and their respective Refractor versions.

I remember years ago when I picked up the No-Protector base version of Olerud for my PC I asked the shop owner what was to stop someone from just peeling off the protector and passing it off as a No-Protector, since the latter are supposed to be a more scarce parallel. He pointed out that the No-Protector base cards have a Refractor-like shine to the backs that's particularly noticible in the statistics/bio portion of the back. Comparing my two base versions I can see the difference.

An "R" by the card number ought to make spotting the Refractors pretty easy, but the COMC card doesn't seem to have the Refractor finish on either side. I came across this article online http://oldschoolbreaks.wordpress.com/20 ... ll-review/ that only further confuses the issue for me. The guy says, "Despite the fact that I’ve had minimal exposure to them, every unprotected refractor I had come across had the refractor finish on both sides, but no “R” on the back. However, I have also seen unprotected cards with an “R” on the back, but with no refractor finish on either side."

Can anyone shed some light on the 1998 Finest versions? The No-Protector Refractor version is the one I still need but I'm not 100% sure the one in the COMC listing is actually that card; plus could there be other variations out there?

Thanks!

That's not a No-Protector Ref, just a basic Ref. The No-Protectors Refs do not have an R on the back, while the regular Refs do. As mentioned, look for the etching around the card number and player; there's no etching/outline around Olerud on back, so that's a second way to tell it's a basic Ref. Third way to tell is that I would have bought it if it were! :lol:

I show I have all 4 variations but this has now got me thinking I need to revisit the PC. Good topic and look forward to seeing what the deal is... as someone else already said, I hate this set/variation

 

[RustyGreerFan]

Got this in the mail yesterday.

The guy I bought it from has a bunch of other 1996 Summit APs. He sold me mine for $3 plus 85 cents shipping. Here's his list. If you're interested just PM me and I'll give you his email address:

-1996 SUMMIT- ARTIST'S PROOFS- DAVE NILSSON,GEORGE ARIAS (RC),RAY DURHAM,SHAWN GREEN,GEORGE WILLIAMS (RC),RAY LANKFORD, JIM EDMONDS,TAVO ALVAREZ (RC),KEVIN SEITZER,CARLOS DELGADO,MOISES ALOU,FRANK RODRIGUEZ,RONDELL WHITE,GREG VAUGHN,STERLING HITCHCOCK,GARY DiSARCINA,ROBERTO ALOMAR,MATT WILLIAMS,JASON ISRINGHAUSEN,PAUL MOLITOR,MIKE BUSBY (RC),BENJI GIL,JOHN JAHA,HIDEO NOMO,JIM THOME,MIKE MUSSINA,DEAN PALMER,STEVE GIBRALTER (RC),RUSS DAVIS,TINO MARTINEZ,BARRY LARKIN,JOHN VALENTIN,RON GANT,ROGER CLEMENS,JOHN WASDIN (RC),BRET BOONE,MARK LEWIS,JAY BELL,J.T. SNOW,CARLOS BEARGA,WIL CORDERO,KEVIN MITCHELL,ERNIE YOUNG,GREG COLBRUNN,CHARLES JOHNSON,RICO BROGNA,SAL FASANO (RC),JACK McDOWELL,BERNIE WILLIAMS,KEN HILL,CHUCK KNOBLAUCH,MIKE GRACE (RC),MIKE KELLY,JOH MABRY,MELVIN NIEVES,ERIC OWENS (C),ANDRES GALARRAGA,JIMMY HAYNES (RC),IVAN RODRIGUEZ,BOBBY BONILLA,ALEX GONZALEZ,HAL MORRIS,GREG MADDUX,DARREN DAULTON,FRANK THOMAS (CHECKLIST),ROBIN VENTURA,ALEX FERNANDE,TODD STOTTLEMYRE.

 

[thelesquad]

Got this in the mail yesterday.The guy I bought it from has a bunch of other 1996 Summit APs. He sold me mine for $3 plus 85 cents shipping. Here's his list. If you're interested just PM me and I'll give you his email address:

-1996 SUMMIT- ARTIST'S PROOFS- DAVE NILSSON,GEORGE ARIAS (RC),RAY DURHAM,SHAWN GREEN,GEORGE WILLIAMS (RC),RAY LANKFORD, JIM EDMONDS,TAVO ALVAREZ (RC),KEVIN SEITZER,CARLOS DELGADO,MOISES ALOU,FRANK RODRIGUEZ,RONDELL WHITE,GREG VAUGHN,STERLING HITCHCOCK,GARY DiSARCINA,ROBERTO ALOMAR,MATT WILLIAMS,JASON ISRINGHAUSEN,PAUL MOLITOR,MIKE BUSBY (RC),BENJI GIL,JOHN JAHA,HIDEO NOMO,JIM THOME,MIKE MUSSINA,DEAN PALMER,STEVE GIBRALTER (RC),RUSS DAVIS,TINO MARTINEZ,BARRY LARKIN,JOHN VALENTIN,RON GANT,ROGER CLEMENS,JOHN WASDIN (RC),BRET BOONE,MARK LEWIS,JAY BELL,J.T. SNOW,CARLOS BEARGA,WIL CORDERO,KEVIN MITCHELL,ERNIE YOUNG,GREG COLBRUNN,CHARLES JOHNSON,RICO BROGNA,SAL FASANO (RC),JACK McDOWELL,BERNIE WILLIAMS,KEN HILL,CHUCK KNOBLAUCH,MIKE GRACE (RC),MIKE KELLY,JOH MABRY,MELVIN NIEVES,ERIC OWENS (C),ANDRES GALARRAGA,JIMMY HAYNES (RC),IVAN RODRIGUEZ,BOBBY BONILLA,ALEX GONZALEZ,HAL MORRIS,GREG MADDUX,DARREN DAULTON,FRANK THOMAS (CHECKLIST),ROBIN VENTURA,ALEX FERNANDE,TODD STOTTLEMYRE.

Crazy. I was just searching various places for this specific Ryno card. I still can't find a copy and you don't have it on your list. Great pick-up.

 

[MansGame]

I've always wondered if there are more than 240. I'm not an expert on the 93 refractors, I remember them coming out when I was still collecting but I could never afford a box of Finest, and then only recently got back into the hobby in the last 2 years.

when i've looked at the PSA pop report (which I know is not 100% accurate), some refractors have extremely high pops--eg, Frank Thomas has had 239 graded refractors, Mike Piazza has had 224, etc.

http://www.psacard.com/pop/Detail.aspx?c=36295

I don't think I saw any player with >240, but if anyone knows of more than 2 raw Thomas refractors maybe we have our answer?

He was signing at a show in Clearwater in 95 and a guy came up to his side at the table and handed him 11 93 finest refractors of himself, He had a big smile on his face! I was in AWE! so i would say he is collecting his own 93 refractors. Maybe he just stopped. or maybe are more than the 240 their are suppose to be.

I'm late to the party here on this but saw that Albert Belle has a print run of 241, which I know is only 1 more than 240 but I thought people were discussing how each player had exactly 240 not including stolen sheets, etc.

 

[Ghumbs]

 

[joey12508]

mail today, now i need row 3

 

[onionring9]

I came across this listing on COMC http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Ba ... ud/2219145 which has led me to do some research on the 1998 Finest No-Protectors, Protectors, and their respective Refractor versions.

I remember years ago when I picked up the No-Protector base version of Olerud for my PC I asked the shop owner what was to stop someone from just peeling off the protector and passing it off as a No-Protector, since the latter are supposed to be a more scarce parallel. He pointed out that the No-Protector base cards have a Refractor-like shine to the backs that's particularly noticible in the statistics/bio portion of the back. Comparing my two base versions I can see the difference.

An "R" by the card number ought to make spotting the Refractors pretty easy, but the COMC card doesn't seem to have the Refractor finish on either side. I came across this article online http://oldschoolbreaks.wordpress.com/20 ... ll-review/ that only further confuses the issue for me. The guy says, "Despite the fact that I’ve had minimal exposure to them, every unprotected refractor I had come across had the refractor finish on both sides, but no “R” on the back. However, I have also seen unprotected cards with an “R” on the back, but with no refractor finish on either side."

Can anyone shed some light on the 1998 Finest versions? The No-Protector Refractor version is the one I still need but I'm not 100% sure the one in the COMC listing is actually that card; plus could there be other variations out there?

Thanks!

That's not a No-Protector Ref, just a basic Ref. The No-Protectors Refs do not have an R on the back, while the regular Refs do. As mentioned, look for the etching around the card number and player; there's no etching/outline around Olerud on back, so that's a second way to tell it's a basic Ref. Third way to tell is that I would have bought it if it were! :lol:

I show I have all 4 variations but this has now got me thinking I need to revisit the PC. Good topic and look forward to seeing what the deal is... as someone else already said, I hate this set/variation

Looks like I have 7 versions of the McGwire #145 sitting here.

refractor, not embossed, with R
refractor, embossed on back, no R (the no-Protectors everybody is confused about)
non-refractor, embossed
non-refractor, embossed, with R
non-refractor, embossed, with R, variant coat
non-refractor, not embossed, no R
non-refractor, not embossed, no R, variant coat

I have in my notes that the variant coat is a mis-printed refractor but I'm looking at the variants and that doesn't sound right.

take a look at what I'm looking at - noticeable mostly through his arm and uniform, I know I've seen this "variant" all over the place but just from what I'm looking at, it looks more like a bad ink set which is probably why it's been sitting on my desk for over a year and not in my list