OK, I'm a Little Pissed at PSA - UPDATE!

[hofautos]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

 

[allstars]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

How does that work? I send PSA the slabbed BGS & they'll only remove it if it'll get a PSA 4.5 or higher? What if it won't, will they return the BGS slab to me?

 

[jeff550]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

yes they will
How does that work? I send PSA the slabbed BGS & they'll only remove it if it'll get a PSA 4.5 or higher? What if it won't, will they return the BGS slab to me?

 

[jeff550]

also its tied with 1 other card for the highest in the pop report

 

[bouwob]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

How does that work? I send PSA the slabbed BGS & they'll only remove it if it'll get a PSA 4.5 or higher? What if it won't, will they return the BGS slab to me?

Yes. Also make sure with your min grade that you say no qualifiers.

A qualifier is usually counter as -2 grades. So it may say 5 but in many of the registry collectors eyes, it will be considered a 3.

 

[HPC]

As someone who is collecting the set...

I agree with what nyc said...you should have asked PSA what was wrong and if they could not tell you, you should've demanded a second opinion from them.

But that's the past and it really doesnt matter now.

Honestly, I prefer BVG over PSA because I trust Beckett more than PSA

I would leave it BVG honest

From a buying perspective, I picked up a 53 Matthews graded BGS for 15 bucks for my set, picked up a PSA 7 1959 Topps (the player escapes me right now...) for roughly $20 and also boughten an SGC 1960 Richie Ashburn for about $20.

Alot of things go into the price, as vintage IMO, preference is key.

I would pay more for a BVG 5 than a PSA 5, unless the difference was astoundingly more noticable

The Point i'm trying to make is that, I believe, the player dictates the price of the card...not the company.

Matthews is a more desirable player, and that card is rare. Find 2 set collectors and that card could get more than you think

I think the Matthews will still get close (plus or minus a few bucks) whether it was PSA or BVG

 

[bouwob]

What drives PSA value is the registry.

So depending on population, a PSA card could outsell a bgs card by substantial amounts.

Given the set this card came from, I would imaging the BIG spenders who are working on the registry would pay big big bucks to improve the stature of their collections.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Id leave the card in the BVG Slab. But then again, i like BVG Slabs.

There certainly IS a BVG bias when the final hammer strikes down

 

[allstars]

There certainly IS a BVG bias when the final hammer strikes down

??? please explain

 

[ThoseBackPages]

There certainly IS a BVG bias when the final hammer strikes down

??? please explain

Not that ive ever bid on a four figure slab, but in my experience, BVG slabs TEND to end for less then
their PSA counterparts

 

[i43770]

I know it isn't the same card, but here are 2 examples of 1968 Topps Nolan Ryan rookie:

PSA 6 - $280.50 dlvd
BVG 6 - $202.50 dlvd

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

There really isnt much data on this card in a BVG holder to make much of a conclusion. On VCP, it has a record of only 1 BVG Mathews selling, and it was a 4.5 for $1700 2 years ago. There havent been any PSA 4.5 sales, but 4's go for around 2K and 5's are anywhere from 3-4. In the vintage community BVG isnt given a ton of respect, but its pretty obvious that this card will still fetch a good amount (my guess would be about $2200-2500 depending on how much the collector likes the card for the grade). Trying to cross over to PSA would be your best course of action, especially if you can get it in a 4.5 or a 5.

 

[bouwob]

I know it isn't the same card, but here are 2 examples of 1968 Topps Nolan Ryan rookie:

PSA 6 - $280.50 dlvd
BVG 6 - $202.50 dlvd

also the above example is a card that has 5000 better or equal examples. Where yours potentially would likely have less than 50.

 

[hofautos]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

How does that work? I send PSA the slabbed BGS & they'll only remove it if it'll get a PSA 4.5 or higher? What if it won't, will they return the BGS slab to me?

Yes, you state not to crack unless min grade of 4.5....you could say min grade of 5, but it would more likely cross if you go down half grade.

 

[i43770]

I might recieve flak from this, but.....


I would now send it back to psa in the bgs holder. They wont bust it unless they plan on slabbing it. It might make it tougher for the grader to notice what the previous grader saw. Also you should be able to do a min grade of 5 just to guarantee you have the highest grade possible.

+2
If it was mine, I would send to PSA with request to cross in the slab with min grade of 4.5.

How does that work? I send PSA the slabbed BGS & they'll only remove it if it'll get a PSA 4.5 or higher? What if it won't, will they return the BGS slab to me?

Yes, you state not to crack unless min grade of 4.5....you could say min grade of 5, but it would more likely cross if you go down half grade.

What if they look at the surface, corners, ect and determine that it would be a 4.5 or higher (or whatever you request). But when they crack it, they see the same problem as before of being altered, but couldn't see that problem because of the BVG case?

 

[Jeff D]

What if they look at the surface, corners, ect and determine that it would be a 4.5 or higher (or whatever you request). But when they crack it, they see the same problem as before of being altered, but couldn't see that problem because of the BVG case?

If there's any question about the grade/authenticity or possible alteration, they will not break open the slab.
So if they can't 100% determine if it's going to cross, they won't take it out.

IMO it would be a waste of time/money to send it to PSA. I would be very surprised if they cross it.
If there was something they saw to not slab it when it was raw, it doesn't seem likely that they wouldn't at least WONDER about that same thing again and therefore not crack it out.

 

[G $MONEY$]

What if they look at the surface, corners, ect and determine that it would be a 4.5 or higher (or whatever you request). But when they crack it, they see the same problem as before of being altered, but couldn't see that problem because of the BVG case?

If there's any question about the grade/authenticity or possible alteration, they will not break open the slab.
So if they can't 100% determine if it's going to cross, they won't take it out.

IMO it would be a waste of time/money to send it to PSA. I would be very surprised if they cross it.
If there was something they saw to not slab it when it was raw, it doesn't seem likely that they wouldn't at least WONDER about that same thing again and therefore not crack it out.

Yeah, but what if he gets a different grader? Who doesn't see the card the same way as the 1st grader did. Warren if you figure the hassle is worth a decent shot at $400+++, i would do if if i was you. PSA sees so many cards everyday, there's no chance that anyone will recognize the card in the BVG slab. Id do it, why not? Send the slab in and ask for a minimum grade 4.5 with no qualifers. The worst thing that happens is you get card back and sell it for $2k in the BVG slab.

And just for the record i am not a psa fan, but i understand the power of the PSA registry, especially for cards from the 50's and even more so for that 52 set. If the card was mine though and i was keeping it for my PC, id keep it in the BVG slab. I keep all my good PC cards in BGS slabs. I probably have about 250 BGS slabs and only 20 or so psa slabs. I just BGS would create some kick ass Registry , even if its justs gets popular with modern cards, would be cool with me.

 

[mazarazz]

With the amount of $ possibly at stake I think you have to attempt a crossover with a minimum grade. Kinda like poker when you gotta go with the pot odds, one more relatively insignificant bet could end up paying off. See it through all the way.

 

[Jeff D]

I guess I just don't understand why he would have ever sent it into BGS if the plan was to resubmit to PSA.
Having it in a BGS case does not improve the chance that PSA will think it's unaltered. In fact, it may hurt it.

 

[CP_C]

I guess I just don't understand why he would have ever sent it into BGS if the plan was to resubmit to PSA.
Having it in a BGS case does not improve the chance that PSA will think it's unaltered. In fact, it may hurt it.

I think the reasoning was simply to get it slabbed by someone.

If it were mine I would try to cross it too, and hope for the best. But you're certainly correct that a BVG slab will not necessarily help his case at PSA.

I've had three vintage cards that I cracked from BVG slabs and came back EOT from PSA. Not that PSA is gospel, I just think BVG is less picky.

Edited for clarity.