OK, so you got Pittsburgh or Detroit?

[Card Magnet]

I live in Detroit, have my whole life. I want Pittsburgh to win SO BADLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE Hockey, and I HATE RED WINGS FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lose already so we can talk about and watch real sports!

I had a little respect for your opinion there until I saw you were a Bonds fan. You should get a mini-banhammer for the hockey section :lol:





My crystal ball shows the Pens winning 3-1 in game 4.

Pittsburgh goals will be Crosby, Fedotenko, and Gill. Detroit's will be a garbage goal knocked in by MAF.

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

plainwhitejerseys: Those 'pluggers' looking good so far. And I've been loving the way Osgood has been choking.

Hmh. Where's that bragging now?

 

[Brad]

plainwhitejerseys: Those 'pluggers' looking good so far. And I've been loving the way Osgood has been choking.

Hmh. Where's that bragging now?

There is still 2 or 3 more games left. I don't see you boasting about calling Darren Helm a "borderline NHLer at best" though. The kid can flat out fly around the ice and make his hits. He is going to be what Kris Draper was, and probably a better version of that. You still have not pointed out you say Osgood has "choked in pretty much every pressure situation he's ever been in" either.

 

[Card Magnet]

Chris Notsogood? He played a couple of nice games there

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

There is still 2 or 3 more games left. I don't see you boasting about calling Darren Helm a "borderline NHLer at best" though.

Darren Helm is a borderline NHLer at best. Nothing has changed. He hasn't shown anything that would suggest otherwise.

The kid can flat out fly around the ice and make his hits. He is going to be what Kris Draper was, and probably a better version of that.

Kris Draper was a Selke-caliber defensive forward who scored 24 goals a couple years back. Darren Helm is a hard-working energy line forward with little skill and decent hitting ability. They are nothing alike.

You still have not pointed out you say Osgood has "choked in pretty much every pressure situation he's ever been in" either.

Osgood has choked in pretty much every pressure situation he's ever been in. It was true when I said it, it's true now, and he's done nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[Brad]

Please list "pretty much every pressure situation" then, because you are just stating that and are not defending it with facts. Osgood has 2 cups as a starter and in those high pressure situations. He has also 2 shutouts, and has allowed only one goal six times in the Stanley Cup Finals. You cannot deny that is pretty damn impressive.

I don't think you realize Darren Helm is only 22. Look at Draper's stats and that 24 goal year and Selke award came in his 14th year in the NHL. Draper, especially when he was younger, was a speed guy who went around and hit people to get under their nerves. There was a reason he was on the "Grind Line" back in 97 and around that time. Helm can simply fly around the ice and seems to be showing that he can hold his own offensively as well.

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

Please list "pretty much every pressure situation" then, because you are just stating that and are not defending it with facts. Osgood has 2 cups as a starter and in those high pressure situations. He has also 2 shutouts, and has allowed only one goal six times in the Stanley Cup Finals. You cannot deny that is pretty damn impressive.

No. It's not. Not when you consider the team that plays in front of him.

Game 1 of a Stanley Cup Finals when you're with a team as good as the Wings is not a pressure situation. The 3rd period of an elimination game is. As I asked before when you were cluelessly running your mouth, go back and look at what he's done in elimination games. His numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY lower, ESPECIALLY in the 3rd period.

This isn't just this year or last year, it's a trend throughout his career. He's NEVER been good under pressure.

I don't think you realize Darren Helm is only 22.

*shakes head*

I know who in the Detroit scouting staff liked Helm, why they liked him, why they took him and what they expected out of him. I worked with the guys who scouted him. I know all about Darren Helm.

Look at Draper's stats and that 24 goal year and Selke award came in his 14th year in the NHL. Draper, especially when he was younger, was a speed guy who went around and hit people to get under their nerves. There was a reason he was on the "Grind Line" back in 97 and around that time.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the Grind Line. Draper was never a hitter and he was never a pest. Draper was fast and he was good defensively. Maltby and McCarty were the hitters on that line. Maltby was the pest.

 

[justwar]

plainwhitejerseys: Those 'pluggers' looking good so far. And I've been loving the way Osgood has been choking.

Hmh. Where's that bragging now?

Look how good the Wings play when they have their MVP candidate back. Do you really think the Pens could do anything without Malkin or Crosby? Wings win 2 without Datsyuk, win 5-0 with him.

Oh, and wings fans not knowing anything about hockey??? You're the one who still claims, as if you have any proof, that Osgood chokes. The proof Wings fans have that he doesn't is 3 STANLEY CUPS! Where's your proof he does? I assume you think Fleurry didn't choke at all Saturday. Good thing they pulled him, it could've got ugly.

Two games left, Wings just need 1. I think we can both agree it has been a highly entertaining series. I especially enjoyed it when malkin tried to be a tough guy at the end of game 2.

 

[Brad]

Please list "pretty much every pressure situation" then, because you are just stating that and are not defending it with facts. Osgood has 2 cups as a starter and in those high pressure situations. He has also 2 shutouts, and has allowed only one goal six times in the Stanley Cup Finals. You cannot deny that is pretty damn impressive.

No. It's not. Not when you consider the team that plays in front of him.

Game 1 of a Stanley Cup Finals when you're with a team as good as the Wings is not a pressure situation. The 3rd period of an elimination game is. As I asked before when you were cluelessly running your mouth, go back and look at what he's done in elimination games. His numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY lower, ESPECIALLY in the 3rd period.

This isn't just this year or last year, it's a trend throughout his career. He's NEVER been good under pressure.

I don't think you realize Darren Helm is only 22.

*shakes head*

I know who in the Detroit scouting staff liked Helm, why they liked him, why they took him and what they expected out of him. I worked with the guys who scouted him. I know all about Darren Helm.

Look at Draper's stats and that 24 goal year and Selke award came in his 14th year in the NHL. Draper, especially when he was younger, was a speed guy who went around and hit people to get under their nerves. There was a reason he was on the "Grind Line" back in 97 and around that time.

I'm guessing you are too young to remember the Grind Line. Draper was never a hitter and he was never a pest. Draper was fast and he was good defensively. Maltby and McCarty were the hitters on that line. Maltby was the pest.

So now 3 shutouts in the Stanley Cup Finals is not impressive? I like how you say he is so good because of the team around him, but when the Wings lose it is his fault. The higher GAA may be partly on him, but the Wings have had the tendency for years of stop skating in the third which leaves the goalie hung out to dry sometimes. The whole Stanley Cup Playoffs is full of pressure, especially the Stanley Cup Finals where Osgood is currently 11-4 as a starter which is simply fantastic under pressure.

Darren Helm would have been a perfect fit for the Grind Line. Draper did not scare away from a hit like Crosby does either. Draper is very good defensively and a hell of a center. Darren Helm can and probably will become a mold of him with a little more hitting ability like a McCarty, Maltby, or even Kocur (since we are talking Grind Line). Face it, Helm is 22 and already impressing many in the NHL community. Once he gets a full season or two under his belt, he will be a complete mainstay in the league (starting next year more than likely).

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

So now 3 shutouts in the Stanley Cup Finals is not impressive?

Given the team in front of him, not really. When Detroit has last change and can get Zetterberg out against Crosby and Datsyuk against Malkin, the rest of the Pens team is not much threat to score, especially with Detroit's team defense. That last change is why Detroit has allowed two goals in the three games in Detroit, and ten goals in the three games in Pittsburgh.

Same thing last year.

I like how you say he is so good because of the team around him, but when the Wings lose it is his fault.

That's because it's true. When his team is good enough to limit the number and quality of shots he faces and make up for his mistakes, they win. When they aren't, they lose.

The higher GAA may be partly on him, but the Wings have had the tendency for years of stop skating in the third which leaves the goalie hung out to dry sometimes. The whole Stanley Cup Playoffs is full of pressure, especially the Stanley Cup Finals where Osgood is currently 11-4 as a starter which is simply fantastic under pressure.

He sure choked tonight. Two soft goals and he was beaten on six other occasions. Five of them were Pittsburgh mistakes and one of them was a quick whistle from the ref while the puck was loose and Osgood was down and out of his crease.

But that was to be expected. It was a pressure situation and he choked like he always does.

It's funny, the idiot Wings fan hosts on the local sports radio were talking about how the Wings always have trouble in elimination games. Heh. Yeah, that's because Osgood loses his focus.

Every.
Single.
Time.

What's fun about this argument is that I've been making it for over ten years now. Year after year, series after series, I make this argument. Wings fans always swear up and down that I'm wrong. And year after year, series after series, I am proven right. It's not a coincidence.

Darren Helm would have been a perfect fit for the Grind Line. Draper did not scare away from a hit like Crosby does either. Draper is very good defensively and a hell of a center. Darren Helm can and probably will become a mold of him with a little more hitting ability like a McCarty, Maltby, or even Kocur (since we are talking Grind Line). Face it, Helm is 22 and already impressing many in the NHL community. Once he gets a full season or two under his belt, he will be a complete mainstay in the league (starting next year more than likely).

There's nothing to face. Helm is a 3rd line plugger at best. A borderline NHLer. Wings fans have fellated scrubs like this for years. They come, they go. Every team has them.

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

So yeah, like I was saying, Osgood chokes in pressure situations. Always.

Eat that, Wings fans.

 

[Brad]

So yeah, like I was saying, Osgood chokes in pressure situations. Always.

Eat that, Wings fans.

You say Osgood chokes because of his high GAA in the third period of elimination games. He gave up one goal in game 6 and ZERO last night. That was high pressure and he held up. MAF gave up goals in both third periods. Face it, 2 goals is not choking and he was hung out to dry on the 2-on-1. He probably should have got it, but every goalie makes mistakes. MAF probably should have Ericcsson's goal. That first goal was just not on Osgood at all with the missed icing call and then Stuart turning it over right in front of the net. Face it, Osgood is not the reason why the Wings lost. You have to score more than one goal to win and the Wings did not do that in games 6 or 7.

 

[plainwhitejerseys]

You say Osgood chokes because of his high GAA in the third period of elimination games.

No I didn't. I would never cite GAA in a discussion about goalies. GAA is a team stat.

He gave up one goal in game 6 and ZERO last night. That was high pressure and he held up.

No he didn't. He gave up two VERY soft goals.

Face it, 2 goals is not choking

It is when both of them are soft and your defense is playing a stellar game.

and he was hung out to dry on the 2-on-1.

No he wasn't. And now it's obvious that you've never played the game. The first two things you learn when you play hockey are keep your stick on the ice, and when there's a two-on-one, the defenseman plays the pass and the goalie plays the shot. His D broke up the passing lane so that all Osgood had to do was focus on Talbot and stop the shot. Talbot shot it waist-high glove side, as routine a shot as could be, and Osgood missed it. That's on him, 100%.

He probably should have got it, but every goalie makes mistakes.

Right, and Osgood makes a lot of them in pressure situations. Worse, he ALWAYS makes them during pressure situations. That's what keeps him well away from any conversation about decent starting goalies. You have to perform when the pressure is on. Osgood has never done that. If you're a true Wings fan, you're hoping the rumors are true and that the Wings are looking for a goalie.

Personally, I'm hoping the rumors aren't true so that I can keep taunting Wings fans when Osgood falls apart again. I've been doing this for years and it NEVER gets old.

That first goal was just not on Osgood at all with the missed icing call and then Stuart turning it over right in front of the net.

It went five hole. The circumstances surrounding the play are irrelevant. There's never an excuse for allowing a goal five hole. That's 100% on Osgood.

Thanks for playing though.