Okie St or Alabama?

[Porbeagle]

How a 1-loss team ranked in the Top 7 of the BCS and doesn't get into a BCS game is a total joke. Sorry Michigan and Virginia Tech fans, but your teams have no business playing in the BCS. Michigan didn't even play in their conference championship game, and V Tech looked completely outmatched last night.

Why is everyone complaining about Michigan and Virginia Tech playing in a BCS bowl, but not about West Virginia and Clemson? Yes, they both won their conferences. BUT, both teams have three(!) losses, i.e. the worst two records of all teams playing in a BCS bowl and worse than those of Michigan and Virginia Tech!

 

[hockeyfights]

I just want everyone to revisit the "expert" argument back in 2007. Virtually the exact same scenario we had this time. In 2007, Ohio State was sitting there with 1 loss and didn't play in a conference championship game, but was ranked #1. They were in after Mizzou and West Virginia lost. But going into championship weekend, Georgia was sitting there at #4 with Kansas at #5, VaTech at 6, and LSU at #7. 10-2 Georgia lost the Eastern Division because of the tie breaker rule with Tennessee, so they didn't play in the SEC Championship game and were sitting idle just like Alabama was this past weekend. Georgia fell to #5.

11-1 Kansas was idle, and dropped to #8. They lost to Mizzou the previous week.

10-2 VaTech beat #11 BC in the ACC Championship game. Jumped to #3. Finished 11-2

10-2 Oklahoma beat #1 Mizzou in the Big 12 Championship game. Jumped to #4. Finished 11-2

10-2 LSU beat #14 Tennessee in the SEC Championship game. Jumped to #2. Finished 11-2

Does anyone remember the argument then by the voters and the experts? Georgia and Kansas didn't deserve to be ranked ahead of the conference champions and didn't deserve a shot at the national championship because they didn't win their conference. Georgia was hottest team in college football and was on a roll, but that wasn't enough to get in because they didn't win their conference, even if they were the best team in college football. I agreed then and still agree now. But 4 years later, something has changed. Now it doesn't matter if you don't win your conference. If voters and experts think you're the best team, you're in. Even if you don't play in a championship game and sit idle while most teams ahead and behind you are playing a game that week. Every year before 2011, you would have been jumped. It doesn't matter who you lost to or how you lost in year's past, the argument, and a strong one at that, was that you didn't win your conference or your division. The BCS has got to be scrapped for a playoff or give some sort of bonus points, maybe .010-.050 to conference champions to make sure this doesn't happen again. A fair system is consistent. The BCS clearly is not.

 

[Brad]

How a 1-loss team ranked in the Top 7 of the BCS and doesn't get into a BCS game is a total joke. Sorry Michigan and Virginia Tech fans, but your teams have no business playing in the BCS. Michigan didn't even play in their conference championship game, and V Tech looked completely outmatched last night.

Why is everyone complaining about Michigan and Virginia Tech playing in a BCS bowl, but not about West Virginia and Clemson? Yes, they both won their conferences. BUT, both teams have three(!) losses, i.e. the worst two records of all teams playing in a BCS bowl and worse than those of Michigan and Virginia Tech!

Because VT played a weak OOC and then lost its two games against current top 25 teams by 23-3 (at home) and 38-10 this weekend. Baylor or K State would be better there.

Clemson beasted VT twice and more than deserves the ACC spot. Don't fault Clemson for scheduling two BCS schools OOC.

 

[notjomommasclint]

having to explain this bowl gam validates the need for a playoff...

 

[cgilmo]

A team that does not win it's conference, much less it's own division should not play in the NC game.

Doesn't matter if the one team that beat them is from the same said conference and division. Beat them when you had the chance, at home no less.

OSU vs LSU

I agree with this.

And I'm a Bama fan.

 

[bricewaynebisel]

As much as I'm irked about my Cowboys not going to New Orleans, I will admit that we shot ourselves in the foot by losing in Ames. The writing was on the wall, folks were waiting for us to trip up so this "rematch" could happen.

Gilmore and the above say it well, as someone who doesn't win their conference doesn't deserve to be "in." Also, comparing the bodies of work, it's obvious that no weight was given to OSU have a much tougher SOS and more wins against bowl-eligible opponents. People obviously focused on the SEC bias and the fact that OSU's loss to Iowa State was worse. Almost seems as if Bama's best win was their loss to LSU.

My mini-rant aside, I think this is (obviously) more of a reflection on how brutal the BCS system is. Kansas State got hosed even worse than OSU by being jumped by Clemson, VA Tech, and Michigan. Hopefully a year like this will cause some serious changes when the BCS contract expires in 2013.

Overall, I'm still happy that my Pokes are playing in their first BCS bowl, albeit crushed by not making New Orleans. I guess I can look back at this and see it as a sign that we've finally reached a good level, and hopefully will never leave that level, as our recruiting for next year can only continue to get better.


Go Pokes!

 

[JoshHamilton]

I bought a ticket to the title game. Might resell, otherwise I'll be going to my second championship game

 

[cgilmo]

A team that does not win it's conference, much less it's own division should not play in the NC game.

Doesn't matter if the one team that beat them is from the same said conference and division. Beat them when you had the chance, at home no less.

OSU vs LSU

I agree with this.

And I'm a Bama fan.

I also firmly believe that Alabama is a better team than Oklahoma State

 

[cbrandtw]

WOW! There are some strong opinions on here. Too bad none of them mean a single thing. To keep the heat on, let's add a few "what ifs" and hear some more interesting views.

1) What if OK St. had actually played a championship game? I believe the Pokes would have passed Bama if they did. No one has mentioned the fact that OK St. did play on "Championship Weekend" but it was just another regular season game.
2) What if way back in 2003 the "system" would have changed to where it required a BCS title game contender to be a conference champion? OK played for the title after they were throttled by 28 by K. St in Big 12 championship game and then eventually lost to LSU.
3) What if the SEC had not proven their dominance in the college football world over the past half decade? Do you think the voters were influenced due to history?


As I mentioned earlier, these opinions really don't matter, but I believe the voters put together an Alabama/LSU title game so an SEC school would finally lose the big game.

 

[bricewaynebisel]

WOW!


As I mentioned earlier, these opinions really don't matter, but I believe the voters put together an Alabama/LSU title game so an SEC school would [strike:147jcv15]finally lose[/strike:147jcv15]win the big game.

Fixed it for ya. :lol:

 

[hive17]

Almost seems as if Bama's best win was their loss to LSU.

This has to be the best true arguement that speaks to the SEC "bump" that exists amongst the pollsters.

 

[bricewaynebisel]

Almost seems as if Bama's best win was their loss to LSU.

This has to be the best true arguement that speaks to the SEC "bump" that exists amongst the pollsters.

Kinda borrowed it from the Orange Power sports forum. Comes from a definite homer, but it's pretty sensible.

 

[tpeichel]

THE BCS is a complete farce. They're going to have to rename this the SEC Championship, not the National Championship. Here's a great idea, how about a Red Sox -vs-Yankees World Series or a Packers -vs- Bears Super Bowl?

So what if LSU beats Alabama? We already know that LSU is the best team in the SEC.

 

[alabamalongsnake]

I bought a ticket to the title game. Might resell, otherwise I'll be going to my second championship game

PM your price. Would love to go

 

[alabamalongsnake]

Based on the current system - BCS got it right. Everyone wants to see at a minimum a plus one though.

Bottom line this year is that the Pokes wet the bed against Iowa State - no excuses.

Absolutely it matter who you lost to this year as it always does. Saying it doesn't is ridiculous.

No rule that you have to win your conference to get into the big game.

Big 12 was partly the reason a plus one has not been introduced. Mike Slive in favor. The Big 12 guy was not.

 

[tpeichel]

Based on the current system - BCS got it right. Everyone wants to see at a minimum a plus one though.

Bottom line this year is that the Pokes wet the bed against Iowa State - no excuses.

Absolutely it matter who you lost to this year as it always does. Saying it doesn't is ridiculous.

No rule that you have to win your conference to get into the big game.

Big 12 was partly the reason a plus one has not been introduced. Mike Slive in favor. The Big 12 guy was not.

The current system is horrible. The BCS is a farce.

 

[morgoth]

If LSU loses than they should be co-champions because they split the series. Alabama is being treated entirely unfair. They didn't have to play a championship game and got in and it is forcing LSU to sweep the series while they only have to win one of the two games.

If Alabama wins this game I hope it is a split championship because they didn't deserve it.

 

[mstng99tim]

If LSU loses than they should be co-champions because they split the series. Alabama is being treated entirely unfair. They didn't have to play a championship game and got in and it is forcing LSU to sweep the series while they only have to win one of the two games.

If Alabama wins this game I hope it is a split championship because they didn't deserve it.

No, that's why it's the championship game, the winner of the game is the champion.

What if the Steelers played the Packers in the regular season last year and beat them? Using your logic, the Steelers should be co-Super Bowl champions because they split the series with the Packers.

 

[hockeyfights]

If LSU loses than they should be co-champions because they split the series. Alabama is being treated entirely unfair. They didn't have to play a championship game and got in and it is forcing LSU to sweep the series while they only have to win one of the two games.

If Alabama wins this game I hope it is a split championship because they didn't deserve it.

No, that's why it's the championship game, the winner of the game is the champion.

What if the Steelers played the Packers in the regular season last year and beat them? Using your logic, the Steelers should be co-Super Bowl champions because they split the series with the Packers.

That's a flawed argument because the NFL has a playoff system to determine who plays in the Super Bowl.

 

[morgoth]

If LSU loses than they should be co-champions because they split the series. Alabama is being treated entirely unfair. They didn't have to play a championship game and got in and it is forcing LSU to sweep the series while they only have to win one of the two games.

If Alabama wins this game I hope it is a split championship because they didn't deserve it.

No, that's why it's the championship game, the winner of the game is the champion.

What if the Steelers played the Packers in the regular season last year and beat them? Using your logic, the Steelers should be co-Super Bowl champions because they split the series with the Packers.

In the NFL they don't use a popularity vote to determine who is in the SB. They have a playoff system. Since college doesn't the head to head loss by Alabama should have negated them from being in the game to begin with.

This game would be like the Ravens playing the Steelers in the SB because ESPN power rankings had them at #1 and #2. Conferences or divisions don't matter just whomever the computer and voters had higher ranked.