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For those who have no idea what I am talking about, I have to give you some background info.

I read on a different message board about a guy who was relatively new to bowman products who gave a shot at a case of an oldie but goodie BDP product, 2005 bowman draft.

He mentioned he got a Rasmus auto refractor in his first box, then the NEXT SIX BOXES yielded the dreaded sign of the future autographs. He was distraught and frustrated and simply couldn't understand what was going on - was that case resealed after being cherry picked? Was it a case of the worst luck in the world?

For those too young to remember, sign of the future autographed cards were the hits you DID NOT want to get in your box of 2005 or 2006 bowman draft. Pulling one was worse than pulling one of your teeth. It was a sticker auto of a usually no name prospect that Topps inserted into it's vaunted bowman draft product to really make a prospectors day gray. I don't know if there is a worse feeling opening a box of any product than to get one of those as your hit, sometimes it's worse than not getting any autos in your box at all!

2005 bowman draft was characterized by two different types of majority autographs in the case. Your standard 7-8 chrome auto/2-3 sotf cases, and vice versa - 2-3 chromes only versus 7-8 sotf autos, which you could imagine pissed alot of people off (like me).

My theory about this uneven distribution was that Topps' collation that year was really skewed, and the West coast ended up getting a higher percentage of those SOTF cases compared to the east coast and midwest based on shipping and distribution patterns. I don't know the exact reason, but I saw a disproportionate amount of sotf cases here on the west coast.

Back in the winter of 2005 and early 2006, I read with envy all the incredible breaks of guys pulling 7-9 bowman chrome autos and only 1-3 SOTF autos in each of their cases. The case I got on the first day (11-20-05) was factory direct and was that kind of great case - 8 chrome autos and 2 sotf autos. Then the subsequent distributor cases from the west coast started to come in. The next two cases I busted, I got a total of 5 chrome autos and FIFTEEN SOTF autos. I thought it was an aberrancy, so I got another case, and got dinged again - 2 chrome autos and 8 SOTF. Single boxes were just as bad, I would buy a batch of four boxes at the local shop, and hit 4 SOTF autos. ANY bowman chrome autos pulled, even Pennington or Esteve were consider golden hits, like super-reflectors. This went on for years, run after run, SOTF after SOTF, I finally decided to order a case from the east coast. Same results - 3 chrome auto and 7 SOTF. Retail yielded better chrome autos than hobby on the west coast, so I stuck with those for a while, trying a hobby box every now and then, and hitting a SOTF. It was simply miserable watching every else around the country pull out some amazing cases, and I, along with others, were left with these sticker horrors of no-name players.

Now back to the title. Ten and zero. For those veteran prospectors, you'll know what I mean. I was brave enough to crack a case of 2005 bowman draft today that was made available to me from a shop that had just found it in their warehouse doing inventory recently. They got stuff factory direct back in the day, and after I opened the first three boxes, well, I was ecstatic to not see any sticker monstrosities and was finally brave enough to venture through the rest.

Box 1: Rasmus chrome auto

Box 2: Garza chrome auto

Box 3: Esteve chrome auto

Box 4: Braun chrome auto

Box 5: Weaver chrome refractor auto

Box 6: Drew chrome refractor auto

Box 7: Pennington chrome auto

Box 8: Carrillo chrome auto

Box 9: Ellsbury chrome refractor auto

Box 10: Braun GOLD REFRACTOR auto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good gosh, after 6 years, it feels GREAT to get that Gorrilla off my back. Those SOTF cases have haunted me for the longest time, and it feels terrific to hit perfection in such an old case- 10 bowman chrome autos, ZZEERRROOOO SOTF's!!!!!!

and to hit a Balky (perfect strangers) gold to top it off, it feels good........... :D

Anyone else ever hit 10-0 out of a case of 2005 or 2006 bowman draft?
 

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Holy moly....you really killed that case! :o


You MUST provide scans!


Also, any colors [non-auto]???
 

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scotty21690 said:
Holy moly, Skrip....you really killed that case! :o


You MUST provide scans!


Also, any colors [non-auto]???

Sorry, scanner broken.

Pulled one gold refractor base - Butera, and the "best" blues were Snyder and Flores, which were killer cards back in the day. Otherwise, not much else to mention.

..and don't call me Skrip :lol:
 

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LOL my bad, saw Skrips name on another thread ::facepalm::

The autos were killer though, don't think I have seen a case w/ no SOTF!
 

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[youtube:2tx6aj7y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8[/youtube:2tx6aj7y]

Congrats on the HUGE pull and a very solid case even before that!
 

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$975 is an outstanding price as well, you did great.

The base set is also pretty good, how did you do in that department?

I remember when '05 draft got up to $175+ per box, outstanding auto class.
 

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frzg said:
$975 is an outstanding price as well, you did great.

The base set is also pretty good, how did you do in that department?

I remember when '05 draft got up to $175+ per box, outstanding auto class.


between 2-5 of all the base chromes, from 2 tulos to 5 bowdens.

Man, talk about a blast from the past!

It was great fun, and of course the break was terrific.

But what stuck me the most was the no SOTF's. Man, i've been cracking bdp for a LONG time, and i've gone through over thirty cases of 2005 and 2006 over the years, but this is the first time i've ever heard of this.

That gold auto was by far the best i've ever pulled out of 05 draft. Previously, it was a Zimm blue with about 80/20 centering left/right.
 

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Back in 2005 I went 8-2 with my case although the only decent autos I got were Rasmus (a base and an X-fractor). In 2006 I busted 2 cases and went perfect with all chrome autos. I was even lucky that I didnt even get a dreaded green refractor case.
 

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Congratulations but! That is amazing. I wish I could crack another case of that stuff, AND find it at that price ;)

SICK autos all around!

skrip
 

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Amazing break. I busted 7 cases of that stuff and I do believe I had one or two cases with no SOTFs. but, I did have a few with 3 autos and 7 SOTFs too. I think if you opened enough of it, you eventually hit one of those cases.

Best hit I had was a blue Zimmerman Ref auto, which was like $350 back then. I hit a blue Braun too, but it wasn't anywhere near as high in price as I imagine it is today. On the flip side, the Blue Drew I hit and sold back then was way more than it is now. Man, I remember when those golds of his were $500+. The only gold auto I remember getting was Garza, but again, that was dirt cheap back in 2005 and he was the guy you DIDN'T want to hit in a pack. I believe he was the lowest priced one (or one of several) that you could possibly get. Times change though! I remember he heated up and his autos got quite pricey - way after I sold all of mine off of course.

It was all about Weaver, Zimmerman and Drew back then if I remember correctly.

I'd love to crack another case of that stuff now, but wouldn't have the balls to do it with the SOTFs. Those sucked.
 

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:o :o

awesome gold hit!

congrats on such an awesome pull, bud!

hope your next case is as lucky or even better, broutha~

dave
 

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I received over 20 cases of 2005 BDP, and all of mine were "good" cases.

Each case that I opened, or someone I knew opened that told me the hits, had:

0, 1, or 2 SOTF autos
At least one Stephen Drew SP auto or auto parallel
At least one Jered Weaver SP auto or auto parallel

This was true on at least a dozen cases. I remember Dustan (Junior Griffey) pulled a Blue Weaver auto in his case, as well as a Drew refractor auto. I remember the math from back then too...Drew and Weaver had 2000 autos each (including parallels), and all the others had 2500 autos (including parallels). The SP was simply on the base autos, which were unnumbered anyway.

My theory is that the SOTF "bad" cases were packaged at a different time than the cases that contained the SP autos. I never saw a single instance of someone cracking a SOTF case and receiving either a Drew or a Weaver, base or otherwise.

Ryan Braun was pretty hot out of the gate too. I bought a raw gold refractor auto for $200 and flipped it for $800 after it graded a BGS 9.5 (the first one, at the time).
 

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funny - I pulled the same card (Braun gold ref auto), but it was in a case of 7 SOTF's and 3 chrome auto's. It made up for the SOTF cards for sure!

Congrats on the perfect case!
 

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autorook - thanks, that's my best pull ever out of 2005 bowman draft.

thosebackpages - I think i've done as good as I can do on '05, now on to '06 till we pull the Longo super!

gt2590 - thanks, and great seinfeld reference!

Brewer Andy - yes, I did almost faint. I hadn't hit an auto yet in the box or a colored refractor, so I saved the Braun pack for last when I noticed there might be a parallel in the pack. I subsequently pulled a blue refractor of a base card, so I knew it was a good chance my gold refractor was autographed. On my second to last pack, I thought I finally pulled a SOTF, but thank goodness it ended being an expired AFLAC redemption card. Then I slid the last card up from the back, saw Miami and thought, it could be either carrillo or Brauny, and I saw the beautiful card #168 from the top. Quite a thrill.

DonkeykongCW - I've never seen 10-0 for any 2006 bowman draft, and i've seen over 30 cases busted. Incredible stuff.

ballerskrip - thanks man, we must be twins! or at least Scotty thinks so.....

Bill Menard - Very interesting how times have changed. That case would have been even more solid back then, but in a VERY different way. The Braun was going for $350 at the time, whereas the other big hits would have been the Weaver and Drew which would be close to $100 apiece. The rasmus, reg. braun, and Ellsbury, all pricier now, would have been $20-$30 cards, very neat to see how times have changed, but it's always fun to "re-live your youth."
Cracking a SOTF case nowadays at today's prices would be PAINFUL.....

Daveyou - thanks, bro, don't tempt me on the 2006 bdp.............

Striderboi - I think the term is "on-tilt". Fortunately the gods of gambling are kind. I'm still licking my wounds, but at least I didn't get my legs amputated like athletic-attitudes.

Leatherman - I think you were one of the sources of my envy back in winter 2005. You did GREAT! I've noticed the same pattern. Those good cases always had a Drew and Weaver. I also agree with your theory. Topps probably didn't expect the unprecedented demand for 2005 bowman draft picks, so they produced more cases, but were short on autos, so they inserted more SOTF's into the product. I did notice that Rasmus always appeared in the SOTF cases, so at least that was a decent consolation prize. Didn't your bgs 9.5 go to Taiwan? I think I remember that first sale. I was in awe cause raws were going for around $250 at the time. It's also crazy because it was the good cases that drove up the prices on 2005 bdp wax. Imagine us out here on the west seeing prices skyrocket for boxes that 3 out of 4 times would land you a SOTF auto. PAINFUL. $175 for a SOTF auto box, not fun.

Lisu - man, definitely out of the norm, but 2005 was a good year of crackin' for you, i'm sure you could not be stopped! :lol:
 

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