on spam and spam threads

[matfanofold]

sponsors obviously have different rules than standard board members.


Sorry, but that is the way it has to be. I have agreements in place with them, and I would be really uncomfortable breaking them.

Thats understandable.


Would you ever consider selling a licens for 'Spam' via a one time or monthly fee to board members? So you would have the 'free' spam boards for regular members, and the paying spammers would get free reign??

no


My goal is to never ever ever ever charge a board member for anything of any sort for any reason.

Well said.

Good luck with your decision(s).

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Here is my free 2 cents....


I really see no problem with how it is. Sure, there are a few spam threads everywhere you look, but it is quite possibly the easiest task to simply not click on it/them if you so decide. The FCB was built on the cornerstone of being able to freely spam your stuff and I personally would not change a thing.

However....

If the Admin/mods see fit to change this scheme and institute a more controlable atmosphere by creating a specific forum for spam posts, I see nothing wrong with that eithor. You will still have free reign to spam your product, but just in a specific area designated for such. Thoes still looking to spam can, and thoes looking to buy will know where to look. The only real downside to this that I can see would be the spammers can no longer spam the entire boards and thus widdle away at there perspective customers, assuming spamming without bounds does indeed bolster sales.

Ultimatly, I can only see a defence of selfishness as to why someone would be displeased with a seperate area for spam simply because they can not shovel there goods to EVERYONE in sight and now must rely on sales generated from thoes looking to spend in a specific area.

I'm indiferent as to what happens but, and again, I feel there is no need to change anything but since there is a good majority who indeed do not want to sift through spam posts, I suppose it's the appropriate thing to do. I assume this would include everyone's spam? Including sponsors?? Good luck with the decision(s) at hand!

A sponsor is one thing, a person with 100 $0.25 base card auctions and you need to hear it daily is a whole another ballgame. While its not completely the case I can see in 2-3 months this place looking like topps.com where you cant find an interesting topic cause its filled with spam.

Where do I get a crystal ball like your's? :lol: I don't think the "seeing the future" argument should be used here because basically, none of us will or possibly can know what the future holds for this site! The Topps site may be spam filled but the Topps site doesn't have our group of moderator's whom would not allow the site to get overrun with Spam (we've got rule #1 in service over here & I'm sure that constant spam thread's along with continually bumping one's own thread would fall under that category; & would probably be taken care of rather quickly). The thing is, we have free spam reign right now & it is not like the Topps site because not everyone of us feel the need to spam the board's (I know I don't, I just found the transaction board's & am growing attached to the idea of selling item's over there...not Ebay links). To be honest, mentioning that member's will use FCBay if they are looking to buy is not entirely correct (in my own personal experience) & on more than one occassion a spam thread has lured me to great deal's that I would not have gotten had it not been for the thread posted in the baseball forum in the first place (as I do not roam far or frequently from this board, & I never knew there was a "Spam" board to begin with).

 

[Moonlight Graham]

This is going to be tricky. I don't like the spam threads. It does get out of hand at times. I don't come to the baseball section to see what someone has listed on eBay.

As for Andrew, I get his e-mails about upcoming product. Unfortunately I have not been able to purchase anything yet, but I do hope this changes soon. The thing that doesn't bother me about Andrew is that he posts sell sheets/product information. If he includes ordering information, that doesn't bother me because that is not the sole purpose of his post. He provides the product information and ordering information. I think that is considerably different than pushing something because you are worried you may not get more than you paid for it.

Also, I am going to get flamed for this, but when drawing the line on spam, you have to be careful of prospectors. There are some threads that are legitimate when discussing players. On the other hand, there are obvious "pimp and dump" posts and I consider those to be spam as well. While it may not be directly linking an auction, the purpose of the thread is to try and get people to buy up what they have of someone. While prospectors will deny this, I think everyone knows this to be true. While there are not many pimp and dump posts now, come Spring Training, it will get out of hand.

While another forum may not be the answer, continuing to use the baseball section is not the answer either. If I wanted to read through sales threads, I would read the transaction forum. If I wanted to read sales threads and auction links, I would go to the Topps forums.

I also agree that if something is going to be done about the spam threads then the OT posts need to be moved to the general section. There are times that close to half of the threads on the first page of the baseball section are either OT or spam. Again, when coming to the baseball section I am looking for baseball discussions, not which movie you just saw or your auctions.

People want to keep throwing around the word freedom saying that the freedom is what makes this better than the BMB. I agree with that to an extent, except if the entire point was just to have freedom to post what you want, why even bother having seperate sections? Why not just lump everything into one big forum and everyone just have to weed through it to find what they are looking for? Does anyone want to have trade threads, eBay auction threads, other sport threads, general threads, etc, mixed in the baseball section? If so, just leave things as they are because that is what is happening. Then you can have your freedom, but please, don't bitch about having to sift through pages and pages to find an actual baseball discussion.




Joe

I think you're right on. I have never spammed my auctions here or on the BMB, and everytime I see a post with even the faintest hint of an auction ("What will this sell for?" "Did I list this right?") I know where the poster is coming from.

I knew this topic would come up, and I also knew this is how it would play out. the purveyors see nothing wrong with spam... the folks that come here for general discussion think there is too much; the important thing for everyone here to remember is that a compromise will likely be reached that will make everybody feel that it is not 100% to their liking, but we will need to live with whatever is decided.

Personally, if it is decided to allow 1 post where the person is allowed to announce their auction, with a brief description of their better items, a few tidbits for team and player collectors, and when the auction will end that would be fine with me. (Even then there could be abuse, and how would perpetual auctions be handled, etc? )

Whatever the Moderator team decides will be okay with me.

 

[boxbreaker]

I think you're right on. I have never spammed my auctions here or on the BMB, and everytime I see a post with even the faintest hint of an auction ("What will this sell for?" "Did I list this right?") I know where the poster is coming from.

I knew this topic would come up, and I also knew this is how it would play out. the purveyors see nothing wrong with spam... the folks that come here for general discussion think there is too much; the important thing for everyone here to remember is that a compromise will likely be reached that will make everybody feel that it is not 100% to their liking, but we will need to live with whatever is decided.

Personally, if it is decided to allow 1 post where the person is allowed to announce their auction, with a brief description of their better items, a few tidbits for team and player collectors, and when the auction will end that would be fine with me. (Even then there could be abuse, and how would perpetual auctions be handled, etc? )

Whatever the Moderator team decides will be okay with me.

just what i was thinking. i have bought many cards that i normally would not have seen by looking at legitimate spam threads. i also put up one of my own last week, in which i offered a discount to board members if they wanted any of the cards. (no bumps, that is very immature, gay, annoying) i also do not seem to have a problem skipping them with my scroll bar when i am not buying. although the non-icon "did i list this right, how much will this get" B.S. is the real problem.

ranting but my op.

all that said i vote for spam with icon, no added bumping.

 

[nborton]

I didn't read through all these pages, but I have noticed a decline in worth wile posts since spam has been growing. Maybe people are uninspired to post or read through all the spam.

 

[Adamsince1981]

As someone who has never posted a Spam email and has bought a couple of great cards from Spam posts...I can honestly say I see no reason to make a change.

There are a lot of OT, repeat, and down right dumb threads and I simply don't read them, hit the back button, and/or do not comment. And I've had zero trouble finding threads that have been informative, helpful, or have improved my collection and/or my experience in this hobby.

I seriously can't believe that Spam posts have become an issue that is causing extra work for the site manager and Mod's...clearly some folks need to relax.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

As someone who has never posted a Spam email and has bought a couple of great cards from Spam posts...I can honestly say I see no reason to make a change.

There are a lot of OT, repeat, and down right dumb threads and I simply don't read them, hit the back button, and/or do not comment. And I've had zero trouble finding threads that have been informative, helpful, or have improved my collection and/or my experience in this hobby.

I seriously can't believe that Spam posts have become an issue that is causing extra work for the site manager and Mod's...clearly some folks need to relax.

+1...And I really don't list spam (I think I may have done it twice since I've been on here, & I only remember doing it once but wrote twice just in case I was forgetting a time)

 

[fengzhang]

People want to keep throwing around the word freedom saying that the freedom is what makes this better than the BMB. I agree with that to an extent, except if the entire point was just to have freedom to post what you want, why even bother having seperate sections? Why not just lump everything into one big forum and everyone just have to weed through it to find what they are looking for? Does anyone want to have trade threads, eBay auction threads, other sport threads, general threads, etc, mixed in the baseball section? If so, just leave things as they are because that is what is happening. Then you can have your freedom, but please, don't bitch about having to sift through pages and pages to find an actual baseball discussion.




Joe

As this site gets bigger with more members, it is more and more going to gravitate towards the BMB. And we're seeing it now. You simply can't run a large site without some rules because let's face it, people are not always considerate of one another. Freedom is a nice catch phrase but total freedom is never practical. I think members are finally realizing how hard it was to be a MOD at the BMB, to have to enforce all the rules and oversee 40,000 members and still have the same members repeatedly breaking the same rules and bitching at you each time they got banned.