One of those experiences that makes me question this Hobby

[ballerskrip]

Oh Jeff, I never once asked anyone to feel bad for me, and still am not asking for that.

Losing my job was difficult. I am not going to hide it. Not really sure what that has to do with anything. We all have difficult times in our lives. I know you have, right Jeff? I don't feel the need to make it personal, so I won't get into it.

If my posts bug you, go read somewhere else. The board would be better without your negative comments and ridiculous obsession with Cole and his boys. Maybe you should try to smile for once in your life, maybe even make a positive post, that would be a first. Maybe then people might TRY to change their mind about you.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Oh Jeff, I never once asked anyone to feel bad for me, and still am not asking for that.

Losing my job was difficult. I am not going to hide it. Not really sure what that has to do with anything. We all have difficult times in our lives. I know you have, right Jeff? I don't feel the need to make it personal, so I won't get into it.

If my posts bug you, go read somewhere else. The board would be better without your negative comments and ridiculous obsession with Cole and his boys. Maybe you should try to smile for once in your life, maybe even make a positive post, that would be a first. Maybe then people might TRY to change their mind about you.

Your initial post didn't bug me. It came as tremendously pompous and "look at me!!", but I figured, okay, the guy had a crappy break, throw him some sympathy and he'll move on. I was the first person who posted after your original post.

But, noooo... you keep posting and posting about it. Let it go, man.

 

[predatorkj]

I never will understand why people do this, no matter how many times people attempt to explain it to me.

Essentially people spend thousands of dollars on cases in hopes of getting a card that is a different color, with a lower serial number on it, creating scarcity. They then immediately sell it to someone who feels the player will get 'buzz' someday, and that person spends more money having the card slabbed in the hopes of creating more scarcity. That person then holds the card until the player advances in the minors, gets called up, or plays a major league game without tripping over his shoe laces, at which point the card is sold again (usually to a team collector) who wants a card for their collection.

I don't get it. I don't understand why almost everyone on here does it. I suppose it's 'chasing the dragon' like a drug addict, trying to hit the big score. And it's pretty much the only thing keeping modern card collecting afloat.

For the amount of money some of you state you spend on these cases, you could see a more stable, predictable return on your investments in government bonds, a CD, blue chip stocks, or even a high yield savings account. It's not 'fun,' and you don't get to brag on a message board when you earn, but it does have a proven track record. They're baseball cards, not stocks. Anyone that calls them an investment is talking jibberish to me.

Well...I don't honestly agree with it. Its not that I am even trying to stand up for prospectors in general. But I do at least understand it. I didn't used to. But I guess for everyone...the hobby is different.

But its not the only thing keeping the modern card market afloat. Last I checked...cases of this stuff are pretty damn cheap compared to the kind I see people bust on a regular basis. When I see a "collector" go and spend over $2,000 in a matter of 20 minutes on something like Triple Threads...and it was like the last $2,000 he spent during a week in which he previously spent an already whopping $5,000...and he planned to keep most of the cards, I'd say that keeps the hobby afloat too. Or people like me who keep every decent player out of any random box I have ever busted. And I have busted quite a few boxes in the last 3 years.

Trust me...prospecting is such a very tiny part of this hobby. Normally I have to explain that to the prospectors on this board but now I am having to explain it to people who aren't. So its not keeping jack squat afloat at all. The kind of stuff that is like $300 a pack or stuff that has the set collectors going nuts like A&G and base Topps...those also do well. In fact I would guarantee you that if you called any damn shop anywhere around Houston...more cases of stuff other than prospect related products are sold.

I don't see why its jibberish to you. Every card you buy is an investment because on day we will all die and hopefully our families have the good sense to know what they have when its passed down to them. Any time somebody spends money on a "hobby" and it reaches this level of commitment...when we are shelling out anywhere from $10-$10,000 a card...its also an investment. Because other than Bill Gates...who the hell wants to spend a crapload of money on a card and it be worth way less than what we paid? Even die hard player collectors or set collectors don't want that. It does happen but I'd love it if it never did. I don't consider collecting to be a waste of money because not only does it bring me enjoyment but I also hope that what I do have does have value.

 

[jcmint]

Oh Jeff, I never once asked anyone to feel bad for me, and still am not asking for that.

Losing my job was difficult. I am not going to hide it. Not really sure what that has to do with anything. We all have difficult times in our lives. I know you have, right Jeff? I don't feel the need to make it personal, so I won't get into it.

If my posts bug you, go read somewhere else. The board would be better without your negative comments and ridiculous obsession with Cole and his boys. Maybe you should try to smile for once in your life, maybe even make a positive post, that would be a first. Maybe then people might TRY to change their mind about you.

Matt i wonder if it was just a hobby when jeff was given all that 2004 product by Mike Z to "distribute". those were the good ole money making days right Jeff. Was I'mmmmmmmmmm back melodramatic. Get over yourself *********.

 

[predatorkj]

Yeah but who said he couldn't afford it? You are the only one saying that.

Well, perhaps your definition of afford and my definition are different. The thread and every context of what was said tells me he couldn't afford it.
But then again, your definition of most things I see you write about is different than mine....
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Ian Stewart wrote:
Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.


THank you bud, I appreciate that. Can always count on you for being a huge d-bag. I actually put in on my credit card to earn the cash back. I did have some of the upfront money to pay off my credit card with. Once my sales are done, paying off my credit card won't be a problem. I know multiple large case breakers that put their cases on their credit card so that they aren't fronting all of the money. But I guess you have never heard of that before.

skrip
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So if I went down and purchased something on my credit card that I knew I was going to be able to afford to pay off very shortly...you'd chastise me for it? I think the gist of the situation is that he had a down payment ready to go and then was going to use these sales as well as possibly others(although all this is assumption I will admit) to finish off the job. He was just hoping to actually make some extra money. By make some money I believe he meant he wanted to make money off of his original investment of the prices of the cases. Not that if he did bad...it would cause him to not be able to pay off the amount on his credit card. After all...he busted what...8 cases? You would have to get "damaged" cases to be so bad you couldn't recoup a nice amount of money on player lots or sets alone. In fact I was curious if he even had any sets made up.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Oh Jeff, I never once asked anyone to feel bad for me, and still am not asking for that.

Losing my job was difficult. I am not going to hide it. Not really sure what that has to do with anything. We all have difficult times in our lives. I know you have, right Jeff? I don't feel the need to make it personal, so I won't get into it.

If my posts bug you, go read somewhere else. The board would be better without your negative comments and ridiculous obsession with Cole and his boys. Maybe you should try to smile for once in your life, maybe even make a positive post, that would be a first. Maybe then people might TRY to change their mind about you.

Matt i wonder if it was just a hobby when jeff was given all that 2004 product by Mike Z to "distribute". those were the good ole money making days right Jeff. Was I'mmmmmmmmmm back melodramatic. Get over yourself *********.

Send me more PMs about raping my wife, pal. I enjoyed those.

 

[predatorkj]

Matt, next time just email the group of us that has a fracking clue what you are talking about. Obviously a lot of people have no clue because they havent been there before.

i think there are alot of old wise men on this board that are a little too wise to put themselves in that position. Once again, you do not need to be a Genius to figure out if your putting out 5k in wax, you are playing with some serious fire.

Doubtful. Very doubtful. He was trying to make money and his venture has failed as of right now. The fact that you and others are saying its dumb for trying says all anyone needs to know. You are not grasping what he is doing and why he is doing it and why he would be upset. Hell...you have HOFAUTOS over here talking about buying singles. That is how we can tell some people don't know what they are talking about.

You want to explain that to me, and I will explain what I am saying. I basically said the same thing as many others. Even Gilmo said business don't stay in business busting wax.
If you want to do it for fun, and you can afford it, great. But don't get t'd off when your gamble doesn't pay off. Boomo said he busted 48 cases, 40 of them being busts, and he had to get several good hits and do a lot of work to just get ahead.

Gimlo makes a decent point. But I'd say more for a shop type dealer than an internet one.

As for not getting ticked off...why can't he be upset about it? If you went in and purchased $5,000 worth of lottery scratch offs and won nothing over $5...several things would happen. First you would be ticked off. Yes you knew damn good and well it could happen. But you figured with that many tickets...it probably wouldn't. And second of all...you'd probably never want to do it again. Both valid feelings. Maybe it is a lesson learned if that is what you would like to call it. But the lesson would have to come from him getting ticked off now wouldn't it?

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="Big Mac McGwire"c91bnm5]

Matt, next time just email the group of us that has a fracking clue what you are talking about. Obviously a lot of people have no clue because they havent been there before.

i think there are alot of old wise men on this board that are a little too wise to put themselves in that position. Once again, you do not need to be a Genius to figure out if your putting out 5k in wax, you are playing with some serious fire.

Doubtful. Very doubtful. He was trying to make money and his venture has failed as of right now. The fact that you and others are saying its dumb for trying says all anyone needs to know. You are not grasping what he is doing and why he is doing it and why he would be upset. Hell...you have HOFAUTOS over here talking about buying singles. That is how we can tell some people don't know what they are talking about.

i never said he was dumb for doing it. Everyone knows he was buying to flip. The fact is he made a post saying how turned off from the hobby he was after basically shelling out 5k on cases. A lot of peoples responses were basically , that when you put out that much money you are taking a huge risk. Skip knew he was taking a huge risk. But that is an outcome you must be prepared for. And the point in fact is that you are asking for unwanted comments when you make a thread saying how turned off from the hobby you are after you shell out 5 grand in cases and you pull junk and how it makes you turned off from the hobby. I cant blame him, I wouldn't want to look at another card for months if i knew i basically lost an investment with that amount of money. He got criticism and advise as responses. Most people would never go down a road like that. You need balls of steel to do what he did. I know some people on this board have never spent more then 50 bucks on a card. He also mentioned how he put it on a credit card and he still has to pay it off and people were getting on him for that. All we said is that with that amount of money you are taking a huge risk and you better not bitch and moan when shat hits the fan as it did for him. Can't hate on him for trying to make money, but when you put out basically that kind of money you better pray you at least come out even which at the moment he did not.[/quotec91bnm5]


What he has done has happened to everyone who has busted wax at some point and time. More for some and less for others. Its easy to lose your rear end. The only conceivable way to beat the odds is to increase the amount you buy. Or not buy at all. But if you are going to buy and want to beat odds...its the only way right? Quantity. I just don't think kicking him in the balls...as some are doing...is really necessary. I have had my fair share of bad breaks. I have also loved getting a $40 hobby box and pulling a Ripken auto #'d to 10 out of it. But if I do badly...I would be upset. Anybody would.

 

[predatorkj]

I never will understand why people do this, no matter how many times people attempt to explain it to me.

Essentially people spend thousands of dollars on cases in hopes of getting a card that is a different color, with a lower serial number on it, creating scarcity. They then immediately sell it to someone who feels the player will get 'buzz' someday, and that person spends more money having the card slabbed in the hopes of creating more scarcity. That person then holds the card until the player advances in the minors, gets called up, or plays a major league game without tripping over his shoe laces, at which point the card is sold again (usually to a team collector) who wants a card for their collection.

I don't get it. I don't understand why almost everyone on here does it. I suppose it's 'chasing the dragon' like a drug addict, trying to hit the big score. And it's pretty much the only thing keeping modern card collecting afloat.

For the amount of money some of you state you spend on these cases, you could see a more stable, predictable return on your investments in government bonds, a CD, blue chip stocks, or even a high yield savings account. It's not 'fun,' and you don't get to brag on a message board when you earn, but it does have a proven track record. They're baseball cards, not stocks. Anyone that calls them an investment is talking jibberish to me.

Even though I collect "modern" cards, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. I've read a lot of things on these boards over the years that make me just shake my head and wonder what the person was thinking... I feel there are quite a few good responses in this thread, and sometimes the "best" answer isn't the most popular.

This isn't directed at the original poster, but in general: Any time I read that a person has to put a card purchase on plastic, I cringe. How many times have we seen posts stating, "can someone loan me $xx PayPal?" or "I'm waiting for payday to get the item paid for". If you're that thin on cash, then you're over-extending yourself! They're freakin' baseball cards. Sure, everyone likes to show off their nice cards on these boards (I'm guilty of that too). If you're racking up debt in order to do so however, you need to step back and re-evaluate your "hobby". There are so many better ways to turn a profit. The down side is...as Chris Levy noted...you won't get the adulation from your fellow card geeks. I sometimes wonder if that affirmation from peers is the main factor when folks over-extend themselves.

To the OP, sorry to read about your break. I hope you can easily absorb the (apparent) monetary loss. As others have stated though...don't question the hobby; re-assess your actions within it.

I have no idea how a lot of you "buy" your collections then. If I see a card I would like, know pay day is coming, I'll either bid on it or at least ask about it. I don't think its over extending yourself. I have a weekly budget and I try to stick to it but I'll say...ebay auctions don't click well with time constraints. When something is up...its up. As for peer affirmation...not for everyone. There are many people, myself included, who buy a lot of cards this board and its members won't ever see. I'd say its a matter of timing.

As for using a credit card...its only a problem if you can't pay it off.

 

[hofautos]

Yeah but who said he couldn't afford it? You are the only one saying that.

Well, perhaps your definition of afford and my definition are different. The thread and every context of what was said tells me he couldn't afford it.
But then again, your definition of most things I see you write about is different than mine....
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Ian Stewart wrote:
Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.


THank you bud, I appreciate that. Can always count on you for being a huge d-bag. I actually put in on my credit card to earn the cash back. I did have some of the upfront money to pay off my credit card with. Once my sales are done, paying off my credit card won't be a problem. I know multiple large case breakers that put their cases on their credit card so that they aren't fronting all of the money. But I guess you have never heard of that before.

skrip
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So if I went down and purchased something on my credit card that I knew I was going to be able to afford to pay off very shortly...you'd chastise me for it? .

I would suggest if you don't have funds to cover the purchase for baseball cards, you shouldn't buy them....especially when the amount borrowed exceeds your liquid funds, and with the anticipation of paying off the loan with your "profits". I know people do it, and I guess it beats having a credit card balance for your local bar, but IMHO financing should be reserved for necessities. To me, it is no different than taking out a loan to go gambling in vegas with the anticipation of paying off the loan with your winnings.

If your opinion and my opinion of "afford" are different, so be it. I think the horse has been beaten enough.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

IBL

 

[predatorkj]

Skrip: Sorry to hear about your cases. I'd say the vast, vast, vast majority of us here on the Boards know exactly how you feel. Whether it's $70 or $7000, the Buyer's Remorse after a bad wax break feels like a rock in your stomach.

We all know breaking wax is a fool's proposition. No matter how smart you are about it, you're almost certainly going to lose money. Playing craps is a better bet, odds wise.

And it is silly to expect sympathy when we all know better than to expect an 85% return on wax. Still, if you can't complain about it here amongst your fellow collectors, prospectors, and addicts, then where can you go? Here's wishing a Superfractor will be in your next case...

+1. Good post. To all of the guys making the negative, ******* posts: WTF?!? How can you be like that to someone that comes in here and complains about getting a swift kick in the sack like that. I mean if that happened to you, I'm sure you would be pissed too. I would have to believe that Skrip knew that a break like this was a possible outcome (I hope so), but that doesn't stop you from hoping to make a somewhat decent return. And when that decent return your hoping for doesn't happen, you're going to get a little upset. The man needed to vent. So stop being asses.

"If that happened to me??"

That is the reason for the D.B posts from me and other guys...IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO ME!! I AM NOT THAT STUPID!!

No...you don't have the same "hobby" he does. The fact that you think its stupid pretty much shows that its not your cup of tea.

 

[hofautos]

I never will understand why people do this, no matter how many times people attempt to explain it to me.

Essentially people spend thousands of dollars on cases in hopes of getting a card that is a different color, with a lower serial number on it, creating scarcity. They then immediately sell it to someone who feels the player will get 'buzz' someday, and that person spends more money having the card slabbed in the hopes of creating more scarcity. That person then holds the card until the player advances in the minors, gets called up, or plays a major league game without tripping over his shoe laces, at which point the card is sold again (usually to a team collector) who wants a card for their collection.

I don't get it. I don't understand why almost everyone on here does it. I suppose it's 'chasing the dragon' like a drug addict, trying to hit the big score. And it's pretty much the only thing keeping modern card collecting afloat.

For the amount of money some of you state you spend on these cases, you could see a more stable, predictable return on your investments in government bonds, a CD, blue chip stocks, or even a high yield savings account. It's not 'fun,' and you don't get to brag on a message board when you earn, but it does have a proven track record. They're baseball cards, not stocks. Anyone that calls them an investment is talking jibberish to me.

Even though I collect "modern" cards, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. I've read a lot of things on these boards over the years that make me just shake my head and wonder what the person was thinking... I feel there are quite a few good responses in this thread, and sometimes the "best" answer isn't the most popular.

This isn't directed at the original poster, but in general: Any time I read that a person has to put a card purchase on plastic, I cringe. How many times have we seen posts stating, "can someone loan me $xx PayPal?" or "I'm waiting for payday to get the item paid for". If you're that thin on cash, then you're over-extending yourself! They're freakin' baseball cards. Sure, everyone likes to show off their nice cards on these boards (I'm guilty of that too). If you're racking up debt in order to do so however, you need to step back and re-evaluate your "hobby". There are so many better ways to turn a profit. The down side is...as Chris Levy noted...you won't get the adulation from your fellow card geeks. I sometimes wonder if that affirmation from peers is the main factor when folks over-extend themselves.

To the OP, sorry to read about your break. I hope you can easily absorb the (apparent) monetary loss. As others have stated though...don't question the hobby; re-assess your actions within it.

I have no idea how a lot of you "buy" your collections then. If I see a card I would like, know pay day is coming, I'll either bid on it or at least ask about it. I don't think its over extending yourself. I have a weekly budget and I try to stick to it but I'll say...ebay auctions don't click well with time constraints. When something is up...its up. As for peer affirmation...not for everyone. There are many people, myself included, who buy a lot of cards this board and its members won't ever see. I'd say its a matter of timing.

As for using a credit card...its only a problem if you can't pay it off.

To be honest, you may not like my opinion, but IMHO if you don't have a few hundred dollars extra in the bank, you shouldn't be buying any baseball cards. Please tell me you are single...I would hate to think you have a wife and or family, and buy baseball cards without money in the bank to purchase them? And IMHO, that is ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT, buying a wax pack for your pc, than buying $6K to flip without money in the bank to cover. In both cases, my opinon is you can't afford it, but one is a lot more extreme than the other.

 

[predatorkj]

I never will understand why people do this, no matter how many times people attempt to explain it to me.

Essentially people spend thousands of dollars on cases in hopes of getting a card that is a different color, with a lower serial number on it, creating scarcity. They then immediately sell it to someone who feels the player will get 'buzz' someday, and that person spends more money having the card slabbed in the hopes of creating more scarcity. That person then holds the card until the player advances in the minors, gets called up, or plays a major league game without tripping over his shoe laces, at which point the card is sold again (usually to a team collector) who wants a card for their collection.

I don't get it. I don't understand why almost everyone on here does it. I suppose it's 'chasing the dragon' like a drug addict, trying to hit the big score. And it's pretty much the only thing keeping modern card collecting afloat.

For the amount of money some of you state you spend on these cases, you could see a more stable, predictable return on your investments in government bonds, a CD, blue chip stocks, or even a high yield savings account. It's not 'fun,' and you don't get to brag on a message board when you earn, but it does have a proven track record. They're baseball cards, not stocks. Anyone that calls them an investment is talking jibberish to me.

Even though I collect "modern" cards, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. I've read a lot of things on these boards over the years that make me just shake my head and wonder what the person was thinking... I feel there are quite a few good responses in this thread, and sometimes the "best" answer isn't the most popular.

This isn't directed at the original poster, but in general: Any time I read that a person has to put a card purchase on plastic, I cringe. How many times have we seen posts stating, "can someone loan me $xx PayPal?" or "I'm waiting for payday to get the item paid for". If you're that thin on cash, then you're over-extending yourself! They're freakin' baseball cards. Sure, everyone likes to show off their nice cards on these boards (I'm guilty of that too). If you're racking up debt in order to do so however, you need to step back and re-evaluate your "hobby". There are so many better ways to turn a profit. The down side is...as Chris Levy noted...you won't get the adulation from your fellow card geeks. I sometimes wonder if that affirmation from peers is the main factor when folks over-extend themselves.

To the OP, sorry to read about your break. I hope you can easily absorb the (apparent) monetary loss. As others have stated though...don't question the hobby; re-assess your actions within it.

I have no idea how a lot of you "buy" your collections then. If I see a card I would like, know pay day is coming, I'll either bid on it or at least ask about it. I don't think its over extending yourself. I have a weekly budget and I try to stick to it but I'll say...ebay auctions don't click well with time constraints. When something is up...its up. As for peer affirmation...not for everyone. There are many people, myself included, who buy a lot of cards this board and its members won't ever see. I'd say its a matter of timing.

As for using a credit card...its only a problem if you can't pay it off.

To be honest, you may not like my opinion, but IMHO if you don't have a few hundred dollars extra in the bank, you shouldn't be buying any baseball cards. Please tell me you are single...I would hate to think you have a wife and or family, and buy baseball cards without money in the bank to purchase them? And IMHO, that is ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT, buying a wax pack for your pc, than buying $6K to flip without money in the bank to cover. In both cases, my opinon is you can't afford it, but one is a lot more extreme than the other.

Yeah...you were right...I don't like your opinion. First of all...I do have a wife. Second of all...I pay all of my bills. They come first along with other things like food and gas money. I will even make sure I have money for tobacco before I worry about cards. I also as you must have not read, budget myself. Not everyone is out there like you buying cards that cost a boatload of money. If I spend my budget for the week and a card comes along I would like, its ending at a very low and affordable price for me, yeah...I'll win it as long as I can pay within the given time I am allowed. What the hell is the difference? Obviously you are in a better economic situation than me. You also have a degree and probably a pretty decent paying job if you have all that money. But what I do works fine for me. I seriously don't need any advice. If it didn't or doesn't work for me in the future...I'll make whatever adjustment is necessary.

Funny part about you is you offer services like buying cards for members if they can't afford it at the time. Yet you will sit here and act like I am dumb for doing it? I really don't understand you. And now you want to go in on cases with Skrip as per your post a couple pages back? I'll tell you what...how about you just worry about yourself?

 

[Weimer]

You okay Predator? You seem pretty angry in this thread. Which isn't like you.

 

[hofautos]

I never will understand why people do this, no matter how many times people attempt to explain it to me.

Essentially people spend thousands of dollars on cases in hopes of getting a card that is a different color, with a lower serial number on it, creating scarcity. They then immediately sell it to someone who feels the player will get 'buzz' someday, and that person spends more money having the card slabbed in the hopes of creating more scarcity. That person then holds the card until the player advances in the minors, gets called up, or plays a major league game without tripping over his shoe laces, at which point the card is sold again (usually to a team collector) who wants a card for their collection.

I don't get it. I don't understand why almost everyone on here does it. I suppose it's 'chasing the dragon' like a drug addict, trying to hit the big score. And it's pretty much the only thing keeping modern card collecting afloat.

For the amount of money some of you state you spend on these cases, you could see a more stable, predictable return on your investments in government bonds, a CD, blue chip stocks, or even a high yield savings account. It's not 'fun,' and you don't get to brag on a message board when you earn, but it does have a proven track record. They're baseball cards, not stocks. Anyone that calls them an investment is talking jibberish to me.

Even though I collect "modern" cards, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here. I've read a lot of things on these boards over the years that make me just shake my head and wonder what the person was thinking... I feel there are quite a few good responses in this thread, and sometimes the "best" answer isn't the most popular.

This isn't directed at the original poster, but in general: Any time I read that a person has to put a card purchase on plastic, I cringe. How many times have we seen posts stating, "can someone loan me $xx PayPal?" or "I'm waiting for payday to get the item paid for". If you're that thin on cash, then you're over-extending yourself! They're freakin' baseball cards. Sure, everyone likes to show off their nice cards on these boards (I'm guilty of that too). If you're racking up debt in order to do so however, you need to step back and re-evaluate your "hobby". There are so many better ways to turn a profit. The down side is...as Chris Levy noted...you won't get the adulation from your fellow card geeks. I sometimes wonder if that affirmation from peers is the main factor when folks over-extend themselves.

To the OP, sorry to read about your break. I hope you can easily absorb the (apparent) monetary loss. As others have stated though...don't question the hobby; re-assess your actions within it.

I have no idea how a lot of you "buy" your collections then. If I see a card I would like, know pay day is coming, I'll either bid on it or at least ask about it. I don't think its over extending yourself. I have a weekly budget and I try to stick to it but I'll say...ebay auctions don't click well with time constraints. When something is up...its up. As for peer affirmation...not for everyone. There are many people, myself included, who buy a lot of cards this board and its members won't ever see. I'd say its a matter of timing.

As for using a credit card...its only a problem if you can't pay it off.

To be honest, you may not like my opinion, but IMHO if you don't have a few hundred dollars extra in the bank, you shouldn't be buying any baseball cards. Please tell me you are single...I would hate to think you have a wife and or family, and buy baseball cards without money in the bank to purchase them? And IMHO, that is ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT, buying a wax pack for your pc, than buying $6K to flip without money in the bank to cover. In both cases, my opinon is you can't afford it, but one is a lot more extreme than the other.

Yeah...you were right...I don't like your opinion. First of all...I do have a wife. Second of all...I pay all of my bills. They come first along with other things like food and gas money. I will even make sure I have money for tobacco before I worry about cards. I also as you must have not read, budget myself. Not everyone is out there like you buying cards that cost a boatload of money. If I spend my budget for the week and a card comes along I would like, its ending at a very low and affordable price for me, yeah...I'll win it as long as I can pay within the given time I am allowed. What the hell is the difference? Obviously you are in a better economic situation than me. You also have a degree and probably a pretty decent paying job if you have all that money. But what I do works fine for me. I seriously don't need any advice. If it didn't or doesn't work for me in the future...I'll make whatever adjustment is necessary.

Funny part about you is you offer services like buying cards for members if they can't afford it at the time. Yet you will sit here and act like I am dumb for doing it? I really don't understand you. And now you want to go in on cases with Skrip as per your post a couple pages back? I'll tell you what...how about you just worry about yourself?

I didn't say you were dumb...i said that in my opinion you can't afford it. I even went on to say that its different buying a pack for a pc than charging $6K to flip. Everyone needs entertainment of some type, and I am happy you have a hobby you enjoy and can keep it in your budget. I was only responding to your earlier remark to me, in trying to explain what I mean by afford, and in my mind when you have to "finance" baseball cards, you can't afford it...that is all. I am not saying you are dumb. I have been near bankruptcy in one point in my life, so it's not like I don't know both sides.

I guess i just was reading my response, and I caught myself saying "everyone needs entertainment", so I guess I will agree with you and say it is ok to finance baseball cards out of necessity.

Whatever..i really didn't want to go here anyway, as I know many people do it. I also know everyone needs some form of entertainment.

PS- I don't lend people money for cards in a long time, and have turned several away and taken it out of my sig.

 

[hofautos]

You okay Predator? You seem pretty angry in this thread. Which isn't like you.

He's probably heard it from his wife, and didn't need to hear it from me....sorry pred...

 

[Weimer]

This is my form of entertainment.

 

[Weimer]

You okay Predator? You seem pretty angry in this thread. Which isn't like you.

He's probably heard it from his wife, and didn't need to hear it from me....sorry pred...

You were just trying to help and give your advice/opinion. Though it wasn't solicited which can rub some people the wrong way.

 

[hofautos]

You okay Predator? You seem pretty angry in this thread. Which isn't like you.

He's probably heard it from his wife, and didn't need to hear it from me....sorry pred...

You were just trying to help and give your advice/opinion. Though it wasn't solicited which can rub some people the wrong way.

He did ask me if I would chastise him. He did ask my opinion. My opinion is that anyone that has to finance cards shouldn't buy them. That is not directed just at him...but I also conceded that everyone needs some form of entertainment.