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In my opinion this whole thread is becoming a joke.
The only few that continue to make a deal about it are those that have nothing to do with it. Yet once again, those that pre-ordered are not taking this approach even though we are involved.

No one is or will pursue legal action, that is laughable and not worth the time & money. There was no contract in my opinion.
If his top customers all were told (for the first time on any product) that he would put us down but could not promise even once case until he hears allocation numbers, and others were too, we all understood that and why we are not on here whining. Josh took possible orders for dozens and dozens of people, where are they all? Not here continuing to drag this out.

Also, for allstars, nothing personal, you keep saying that Josh can go out and buy the inventory. Again NOT POSSIBLE!!!! Wake up! Josh had MORE cases on possible hold for people then Topps is even producing taking into account that most dealers and large distributors pre-sold to their customers their entire allocations. There is not even to be 1,000 cases of jumbos to be made. Josh had possible orders to half of that number, which normally would not be an issue. This is a first. I have bought 60+ cases of products several times and others have bought large qty too. So to say that Josh can go out and buy that many cases is absurd. So, I disagree with you my friend.

Josh, was not taking pre-orders but rather a wish list for us. He was up front about not being able to possible qty that much qty and we all knew it.

Also, to Jim's email, just because Josh sends out an email with pricing and no comment on limited qty is also silly. Does Walmart put in their ads, we only have 100 of these? or BO on their site put a limit on how many cases, does it say limit of X amount or qty limited. Other retailers emails and posts prices too. I order very large qty and work with Josh knowing sometimes I might be limited but Josh always comes through and is upfront. This is a first and I will keep buying from him and have zero concerns about him or his business practices. In my opinion, he handled it great from the start. He and I talked about it. He could have told everyone he did not have it since he had no allocations yet, but he was getting dozens of requests, so he was upfront with us. And his prices were well below market by some $300. If he would have held back, many would have said, oh Josh is just holding jumbos so he can price them later for 2-3x as much, which was not and is still not the case. he has very limited qty coming.

Again, the only ones saying anything aren't even involved and allstars is competition so I understand it easy to point the finger. Nothing personal, just don't get the circles we seem to be going in...pointless at this time.
 
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Also, to Jim's email, just because Josh sends out an email with pricing and no comment on limited qty is also silly. Does Walmart put in their ads, we only have 100 of these? or BO on their site put a limit on how many cases, does it say limit of X amount or qty limited. Other retailers emails and posts prices too.

Walmart does put this in their ads: "Availability, styles, promotions and prices may vary between stores and online"
 

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Bob Loblaw;1772173...[/QUOTE said:
I could ask you the same question and argue the same point about you...
 
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You could, but you didn't. I did.

No, I did. You just don't see it, or you refuse to see it. Your doing what you usually do - stirring up controversy where there isn't any to be found and once again you don't have a hand in it - and I pointed it out. Nothing more than that. It's not me being a "dick." If you get offended by people pointing out your shtick, then change it.
 

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Tim, I'm sure he probably would, but from a strictly "legal" perspective he offered me a price without any contingency attached related to quantity or availability of product. At that point had I stated a quantity and accepted his price, I believe there would be a legally enforceable contract. (NOT STATING THAT I WOULD BE LEGALLY ENFORCING IT!)

Fair enough, just wondering.
 

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Just want to back up what BCA stated in indicating that Josh always wants to put qualifiers in the pre-sells that relate to quantity allocation. I saw a case once where a buyer was promised a certain price and availability for a certain seller. After he made the arrangement with the seller, the price of the item went up drastically. When the seller ended up not being able to follow through, the buyer was actually able to sue the seller for the difference in between the price he was originally offered and the current market price. The judgement was due to "damages" being the cost of now being able to go buy the item at current market price when he may have been able to get it for the same lower price from another seller - originally.

So yeah, let Josh know, Chris.
 

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Walmart does put this in their ads: "Availability, styles, promotions and prices may vary between stores and online"

AND as I typed earlier, so does Josh on his website, so does BO, or any retailer. Also says orders may be changed or cancelled at anytime.

Exact wording ...
1. Order Acceptance and Confirmation. We reserve the right to deny any order placed through the website for any reason. We will attempt to contact you via e-mail or telephone if this occurs. If we do have to cancel your order, we will not charge your card or we will issue you a full refund.
6. Order Quantities Limited. We reserve the right to cancel or limit any order placed at any time. We will attempt to contact you via e-mail or phone if we have to limit or cancel your order for any reason.
 

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AND as I typed earlier, so does Josh on his website, so does BO, or any retailer. Also says orders may be changed or cancelled at anytime.

Exact wording ...
1. Order Acceptance and Confirmation. We reserve the right to deny any order placed through the website for any reason. We will attempt to contact you via e-mail or telephone if this occurs. If we do have to cancel your order, we will not charge your card or we will issue you a full refund.
6. Order Quantities Limited. We reserve the right to cancel or limit any order placed at any time. We will attempt to contact you via e-mail or phone if we have to limit or cancel your order for any reason.


In instances where he may be contacted via e-mail by someone that has not visited his site, he could probably save himself some grief by creating an e-mail signature that includes terms like these.
 

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The majority of his deals come from the phone & email. He did let us all know the qty would not be available. I don't know why that continues to be overlooked and that those that ordered are not complaining much any where.

I understand the suggestion and it needs to be considered I am sure even if the site covers it. And while Josh may need to add wording as such, from my experience no other retailer does either as I have ordered 1000s of cases from BO and elsewhere and never heard of this in email or phone form. I can email Chris from BO or Sean from Pittsburgh now and he will quote me a price with no limitations or wording as such.
I think common sense and business relationship plays a role in some of this, plus the fact that Josh lets people know up front. But that is just me.
 

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But you said it yourself.. he's dealing with people he normally deals with and is comfortible with it. That may not always be the case, and a smart business person realizes that there are ******** out there that WILL screw you over... so you cover your butt in 100% of your business dealings.

I don't know what you're trying to refute.

Edit: And "no one else does it" is never a good point to stand on.
 

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But you said it yourself.. he's dealing with people he normally deals with and is comfortible with it. That may not always be the case, and a smart business person realizes that there are ******** out there that WILL screw you over... so you cover your butt in 100% of your business dealings.

I don't know what you're trying to refute.

Edit: And "no one else does it" is never a good point to stand on.

I agree with everything you are saying. I know everyone else does it means nothing, I was simply stating why perhaps he has not though about it until this point. I am no lawyer, and can't imagine someone trying that route,and while I feel he is covered, it does not matter. I just think this is being carried on by those who don't even have any involvement (not talking about you or your advice which i feel is important, so don't mishear me), just in general.
 
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In the end he can do what he wants, but it's never fun to see a good seller out there get intentionally griefed by one person who decides to be "that guy."

I agree.
I have dealt with Josh many times and he has always been professional and pleasant.
Caught between a rock and hard place.
Lock the thread and let it die...
 

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