Opinions on this fantasy football matter?

[MAC16]

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Each of us were supposed to send our cards in awhile ago.. some people (like 3 or 4) didn't send in by the deadline and it was no big deal including me.. i talked to the comish and he said to send out the card on friday or saturday.. so i sent out on saturday with extras because i felt bad for being late.. the bv of the cards we had to send was 20-30$ i sent about 50$ worth of cards. on saturday when the comish told me to.. so i go to my computer on sunday night to find out i have officially made the playoffs for my first time ever!! i was excited you can imagine. BUT.. someone in the league said that i should be booted out for not sending in on time.. the comish put it to a league vote and its 7-0 saying i should be booted out.. i think its messed up the comish gave me an extension and said i could send out saturday then totally screw me over and boot me out.. anyone have any opinions on this or comments? people are suggesting that i waited until i made the playoffs to send but thats not true because i didnt know if i was a for sure lock in the playoffs until after my win sunday night.. and i sent the day before that.. lets hear what you guys think?

 

[muskiesfan]

If the commissioner had no problem with letting you wait to send, then I don't think you should be kicked out of the playoffs. If people want to be pissed, they should be pissed at him.

If you were not going to be allowed to be in the playoffs for sending late, that should have been one of the rules stated before the league got going. If cards aren't sent by X date, then those teams will not be allowed in the playoffs.

Since no such rule was in place, then there shouldn't be any reason why you should be booted from the playoffs. In the future, I would make sure I sent the cards sooner if I were you.

 

[RZimm11]

Personally, I would feel like the other players in your league, that you waited to see if you made it. Do you know them? Or is it a bunch of people you're not familiar with? If its your friends, they should know you better than that. If its random people you might not know, you should probably expect that reaction.

That being said, why did the commish put it to a vote AFTER he made the decision? You have to have decision making spelled out in the rules. There's 2 ways to run a league, either the commish makes the decisions, or there is a vote on controversial matters.

I have been in a Strat-o-matic baseball league for 15 years and we vote on all matters like this. The commish is responsible for organization and schedules and such. Any rule changes or adding people or getting rid of people goes to a vote. We all know it and follow it because it is spelled out in the rules.

 

[deceptikon1978]

I can understand where they are coming from but I agree with muskies, once the deal was made by the commish it's on him. He should have just man'd up and said "I made the decision", not start up a vote.

 

[Ryo1549]

If thats the case he should send your cards back.

 

[MAC16]

yeah i know them.. its actually a league with a bunch of people from fcb! thats what makes me even more mad about it.

 

[kentuckyderby]

It was discussed on the live chat during the live draft back in September that all should send TPA BEN the cards ASAP and not wait. Last year it took me to get the mods of FCB involved to collect from a member who didn't pay up ($25-30 card). We ddin't want the same BS this year

About 7 of the members sent in a timely manner. Ben would give updates from time to time since the cards sent to his home while he was in school.

More reminders were sent. There was even some talk about preventing playoff spots.

It's now 2 weeks left in regular season, one guy still didn't send in. Supposingly he was to send in November back when he was 4-6 but that obvisouly didn't happen. Now that a reminder was sent again, he decides to send after he has a 50-50 chance of securing final spot.

Now, if he's allowed in playoffs --fine. Not end of world.
But I think he has no room for trying to demand anything or feel cheated.
seven other owners feel he doesn't deserve it.

Sure Ben screwd up by not being tougher as commish especially since we had problems last year. It will be a learning experience

Whatever is decided I still sucked this year

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

For the most part in my FCB league this year, I had everyone send in before we drafted (there was really only one exception because they are a Mod here & I knew they'd send in); because even though everyone here seems like "good people", when it comes to $$/card's people can become very ugly-very fast! Honestly if it wasn't brought up &/or voted on by the league before the season then the commish needs to own up to his mistake & allow the OP in to the playoff's (to call a vote to boot them out after telling them they were ok is like reneging a deal).

Now that I've went that route, let me now ask you what your reason is that you couldn't have sent in your card's at the beginning of the season? Being honest here, did the odd's shifting in your favor towards making the playoffs motivate you to promptly send your cards in (& be truthful here)? Lastly, if you were not going to make the playoffs & the group voted you out of the league (releasing you from sending in your entry card's) would you have went ahead & sent in your entry prize anyway?

Take care & GL with your situation, Dave.

 

[muskiesfan]

I completely agree with everyone who is not happy with what happened. Unfortunately, if the commissioner didn't say he couldn't make the playoffs, then the commissioner is the one everyone should be upset with.

I completely understand the point of view of the people who followed the rules, but this ultimately falls on to the commissioner. Next year, I would make it a rule that if everyone hasn't sent in by X date, then no matter how well you do, you can't participate in the playoffs.

 

[JEA2880]

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Each of us were supposed to send our cards in awhile ago.. some people (like 3 or 4) didn't send in by the deadline and it was no big deal including me.. i talked to the comish and he said to send out the card on friday or saturday.. so i sent out on saturday with extras because i felt bad for being late.. the bv of the cards we had to send was 20-30$ i sent about 50$ worth of cards. on saturday when the comish told me to.. so i go to my computer on sunday night to find out i have officially made the playoffs for my first time ever!! i was excited you can imagine. BUT.. someone in the league said that i should be booted out for not sending in on time.. the comish put it to a league vote and its 7-0 saying i should be booted out.. i think its messed up the comish gave me an extension and said i could send out saturday then totally screw me over and boot me out.. anyone have any opinions on this or comments? people are suggesting that i waited until i made the playoffs to send but thats not true because i didnt know if i was a for sure lock in the playoffs until after my win sunday night.. and i sent the day before that.. lets hear what you guys think?

Let me clarify some of the, er, "inconsistencies" of the account of what has transpired regarding this matter...

#1- While "3-4" might not have sent by the deadline, 3 sent well in advance of the playoff weeks. The one who didn't? Our man Mac. Obviously the commish was forced to give him an extension asking him to send this weekend, the last week of the regular season, because if he didn't then it would mean we had 1 less card in the prize pool.

#2- We weren't supposed to send cards with a BOOK VALUE of $30, but a SELL VALUE, presumably at the time of the start of the season, of $30. As you all know, HUGE difference between book value and sell value.

#3- The reality is, you did wait until the playoffs to send. If you hadn't made it or if you weren't going into Sunday with a great shot at making it, who knows what would have happened. That's not to say you wouldn't have sent, but it's easy to say you would have always sent when you've qualified (or have a great shot at qualifying) for the playoffs.

#4- We don't know you, at least I don't. Yeah we "know" one another in the internet sense I suppose but you're certainly not a buddy of mine I would ever meet. Another big difference.

Mac- you were an active owner and a great asset to the league. Very involved in trying to make trades (heck we even made a few) and obviously into the season. I liked having you in the league. But that doesn't change the fact that we mandated a "no cards, no playoffs" rule and for whatever reason you waited 14+ weeks to send. You knew this could be a consequence of not sending and obviously the league vote signifies that everyone feels the same way.

With that being said, I think we have come up with a good - albeit unique and unorthodox - solution that will involve other managers as well as yourself. Good luck to everyone the rest of the way.

John

 

[rymflaherty]

I can see why they would feel that way, but IMO it is something that should have been done sooner. It comes off as petty that it only becomes an issue now once the playoffs start and you've made it, they should have had a miss the deadline and your out rule in place or the commish should have brought it up sooner. I'm not sure how I would have voted in the matter, but I do think I would have taken into account the fact you did send finally and went over. Again I see why they would be upset, but if it was that big an issue it should have been brought up sooner.

 

[JEA2880]

One last thing - if you want to hand over commissioner duties to me next year I'd be happy to coordinate the league. I am always so giddy for the start of fantasy football season that I pretty much setup my leagues the first day the software is out and can immediately get people sending in their prizes far enough in advance of the draft so that if cards aren't received, people don't draft and are replaced.

My apologies to this year's commish for having a tough go of it.

 

[JEA2880]

I can see why they would feel that way, but IMO it is something that should have been done sooner. It comes off as petty that it only becomes an issue now once the playoffs start and you've made it, they should have had a miss the deadline and your out rule in place or the commish should have brought it up sooner. I'm not sure how I would have voted in the matter, but I do think I would have taken into account the fact you did send finally and went over. Again I see why they would be upset, but if it was that big an issue it should have been brought up sooner.

We essentially did have this mandate - no cards, no playoffs.

 

[trademhigh]

Sorry Mac, if I were the commissioner with that rule in place, I would have kicked you out, too.

 

[muskiesfan]

That changes everything. If there was already a rule in place that said "no cards, no playoffs", then sad-sad too bad.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

That changes everything. If there was already a rule in place that said "no cards, no playoffs", then sad-sad too bad.

I agree, if there was in fact a rule in place then it's "tough cookies"...But my understanding of the OP's initial post was that there was no such rule & that the commish even told him that he could go ahead & send in late (or it is ok if they were late).

 

[kentuckyderby]

It was discussed as early as the chat room on draft day

Again, not life or death but I personally would be embarassed that I waited until 4 months after the draft to send in my league fee.

If this = ebay, it would surely impact the feedback I gave

 

[JEA2880]

That changes everything. If there was already a rule in place that said "no cards, no playoffs", then sad-sad too bad.

I agree, if there was in fact a rule in place then it's "tough cookies"...But my understanding of the OP's initial post was that there was no such rule & that the commish even told him that he could go ahead & send in late (or it is ok if they were late).

That's my point exactly - the OP clearly has an agenda and is only sharing half-truths.

This whole saga is getting aggravating so I'm going to post the entire matter...

Here is how the message board conversation played out - it was all public for the league owners and no special messages, as far as I'm aware, were ever sent between Mac and the commish:

Thread name: No cards, no playoffs?, started Nov. 19th

Posted Nov 19th from Mac: "I will be sending my card next week. its a andre ethier jersey auto #25" (CV value $30?)

(after some discussion about not being able to qualify for playoffs if card is not received)

Posted Dec 10th from Mac: "still havent sent my stuff.. what is the address?" (keep in mind the address is posted in multiple locations on the website and, given the thread title, Mac could have just not been lazy and sent the damn card when he posted on Nov 19th that he would be sending... given the thread title, he obviously HAD to know the possible ramifications if not sending in a timely manner)

Posted Dec 10th by Commish: "(address given) Please send it out on Friday or Saturday."

Posted Dec 13th by an owner: "Kick Mac 16 out of playoffs
It's Dec 13th for pete's sake
(kind of kidding)"

Posted Dec 13th by another owner: "Kick Mac 16 out of playoffs.
It's the playoffs already and he didn't even send his item in. In time for the playoffs, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to play in them."

Posted Dec 13th by Commish: "If nothing arrives by Tuesday he will be removed from the playoffs.
EDIT: I am putting the issue up to a league vote. I am tired of this nonsense. "

Posted Dec 13 by another owner: "The agreed upon date was way before that. He shouldn't have an extension."

(Issue goes to league vote, results are 7-0 owners voting in favor of eliminating Mac from the playoffs)


There is your breakdown. He certainly had ample time to send. I stand by my previous posts and the league vote.

 

[kentuckyderby]

New proposal to make MAC happy and also allow 5th and 6th in playoffs is BRUTAL

Either he is out for not sending cards in timely manner (7-0 vote in league) OR he is in because Ben said he is in

The new proposal is just a way to make MAC happy and not anger the guy in 5th who got a chubby thinking he now has a shot

If I were in 1st and 2nd and ended up losing to 5th or 6th place owner under the new proposal I would be angry

As commish, please make a stand
Either MAC is top 4 or he is bumped
No adding more teams into playoffs

MAC should have just disqualified himslef for intentionally taking so long

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Wow. I'm glad I'm not in this league.