Opinons on owning a majority of 1 card

[DaProspectKid]

hey all I was doing some thinking and wanted to see what you guys thought about this.

If say for example one person owns like 3 or 4 red autos of 1 player do you think it will increase the value of the other 2 left or all of the 5 in general.

Also if someone owned say 20 out of 25 oranges will it dramatically increase the value of those cards or not really ???

what just wondering what you guys thought thanks.

 

[matchpenalty]

Yes, cornering the market will increase value. Remember the dude that had all 5 of red Tosoni auto cards. Pretty much a no count prospect, but got well over $100 for one when they sold it on Ebay.

Exqusite guy owns all the NBA gameworn aLL sTAR GAME WORN JERSEYS FROM nba.COM AUCTIONS. If he sold even one from his collection it would sell for a ton. More than if all were up.

 

[Topnotchsy]

It's an interesting dynamic, and not nearly as simple as some think. Assuming the card is one that is in high demand, and people are aware of the fact that he has so many (and it is assumed he will not be selling them.)

Much of the increase in prices disappears very quickly the second he stops bidding since it is often his bidding that pushes up the price in the first place. Meanwhile, those who have a copy and sell while he is still hoarding (or at least holding) usually do very well. That said, once he starts liquidating, the inflated prices are rarely sustained, and it takes a long time to sell out without flooding the market. (The Rondo Exquisite RC/Auto/Patch is a perfect example that is going on right now.)

The example that was mentioned above about Rene Tosoni is a bit different. There is a certain attraction that some have to complete runs and that often brings increases when sold together. The same is true when someone sells all four printing plates.

So in the cases you mention:

For the red refractors, it is unlikely that there would be much of a price difference unless there are a couple of people who are really looking to get the card and they know that he has three. In most cases though, the red ref's are so tough that the market is already quite high and people bid knowing they may never get another chance at one.

With 20 of the 25 orange ref's there would likely be more of an increase, especially if people knew that one person had so many of them.

Of course it has to be a card that is high in demand and there aren't any cards that people could substitute for it. I have 20 of the 47 or so Carl Crawford Traded Auto BGS 9.5's (and used to have a higher percentage when there were fewer 9.5) but because people can get the base auto's or PSA one's, there's little to no premium for the 9.5's.

 

[DaProspectKid]

Thanks for your comments guys very interesting views. Say I had all 5 red autos of a stud guy which I dont (I wish) and I sold all 5 of them together would they fetch more at as a group or alone since knowing I still would have the other 4 ???? But you like you said there is alot of different ways to look at it. I do agree for he prices to go up alot it has to be a card/player in demand.

 

[AmishDave]

I know someone on the boards has all five of the '07 BC Red Refractor Alex Gordon's and I believe the Haren collector has six of the five (yes, read it again) '08 BC Red Refractors.

 

[Topnotchsy]

Thanks for your comments guys very interesting views. Say I had all 5 red autos of a stud guy which I dont (I wish) and I sold all 5 of them together would they fetch more at as a group or alone since knowing I still would have the other 4 ???? But you like you said there is alot of different ways to look at it. I do agree for he prices to go up alot it has to be a card/player in demand.

The first one sold would likely garner a premium if people were aware you had the rest, though possibly not as much as if someone else was selling the card (because then there would be the "threat" of you bidding on it, and also because if you sell one some might assume you will soon sell the rest.)

Of course in any specific case there are a million other variables that could play a role...

 

[RITM]

To corner a market and increase price one eventually has to make others aware that they have successfully cornered the market. Of coure you can't really do this until you have been successful. If you announce your plans too early you will increase the price due to others trying to prevent your goal.

 

[The_ReverendAct2]

I cannot say I have cornered the market, but considering the fact that I own about 28% of one Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor of Matt Schaub we will see. If percentages hold true about 5% were held back for replacement so I would say that there goes 3 that are not in circulation. I know of 1 that is in a Set of Bowman Chrome Gold Refractors and 8 others that are in PC's of MAtt Schaub collectors that makes 12 that I know of for sure. I can only assume that there had to be at least 8-10 more pulled. I own 12 of them so that leaves very few in circulation, as evidence by the last one to come up for auction. That was about 8-10 months ago and I missed that one becasue of vacation.

In the even that Matt Schaub has the year many are predicting, I will put one up for auction and see what type of price it gets. I would say on the Gold Refractors I have about $600 inversted in them, it was a long term investment. I think I could probably double my money now, but will wait until the football season gets closer.

It's very possible, but the seller will need to be smart about it.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I've seen this happen a few times, and it matters if you know who owns the cards, and if it known whether the person who owns the cards is an investor or collector. Collectors sometimes try to corner the market to stop competition - in this case you may never see the card come up again and the price will go up. Collectors are more likely to hold onto cards anyway. I just assume investors are waiting to sell eventually and the cards will be back on the market one day, sometimes in the short term (prospects). So I think it at least partially depends on the type of card and the types of people who are going after it.

 

[All The Hype]

Thanks for your comments guys very interesting views. Say I had all 5 red autos of a stud guy which I dont (I wish) and I sold all 5 of them together would they fetch more at as a group or alone since knowing I still would have the other 4 ???? But you like you said there is alot of different ways to look at it. I do agree for he prices to go up alot it has to be a card/player in demand.

If I had all five of the red refractor parallels of a highly demanded card, I would scan all five together, but only sell one. This shows that there are no others available. If you really wanted to get tricky you could even state in the auction that you will not be selling any of the other four, which would likely drive the price of the one you ARE selling way up...although then you run into moral issues if you actually sell more later.

 

[MartinFFcollector]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Secote is the perfect example in basketball. He bought almost all of the Rondo, Al Jefferson, Delonte West, and Tony Allen exquisite rookies. He's now cashing out and if you want one you have to go through him, and he sets the price. Of course, the 2nd key to this is owning a player that others will want.

 

[Derek2011]

Check out the Jerry Owens 2005 Bowman Chrome Green Refractors on thePit or whatever it's called nowadays. 1 guys owns over 200 of em. Real life example of this.

 

[predatorkj]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

I'm saving this picture for the next time anyone mentions "print runs" and "not true" in the same sentence.

 

[DaProspectKid]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

I'm saving this picture for the next time anyone mentions "print runs" and "not true" in the same sentence.

how is this possible if they say there is only 5 of these????

 

[All The Hype]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

I'm saving this picture for the next time anyone mentions "print runs" and "not true" in the same sentence.

how is this possible if they say there is only 5 of these????

Because "5" means seven in Spanish.

 

[F-Topps]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

I'm saving this picture for the next time anyone mentions "print runs" and "not true" in the same sentence.

how is this possible if they say there is only 5 of these????

Because "5" means seven in Spanish.

I would be willing to pay more to own the 6th and 7th of a card /5 just to have them all together and be able to say WTF Topps?

 

[t3dudek]

The key is to own more than the stated print run.

Next time someone states i own card 5/5 or 1/1 i will think of said picture an think man i hope they made 2 or 3 of that number lol.

 

[mwheeler27]

I know someone that tried to see if he could affect the BV of a card once. Check out this card and look at the BV. It's from 2006 Tristar:


Courtesy of CheckOutMyCards.com

 

[tramers]

i have no problem - I COLLECT PIRATES = low resale value