Penn State sex scandal - Paterno is out

[Card Magnet]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Joe Paterno talked to reporters outside of his house. I can't listen to it right now, so not sure what he had to say. I'm sure that "Get these damn kids off my lawn!" was uttered at least twice.

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[DRav87]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Joe Paterno talked to reporters outside of his house. I can't listen to it right now, so not sure what he had to say. I'm sure that "Get these damn kids off my lawn!" was uttered at least twice.

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Basically, "I know you guys have questions and I want to answer them for you. Unfortunately it won't be today but hopefully soon"

 

[jeffmu]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

As a father to 3, fully agree with the gen pop comment above, and also firmly believe there is a special place in Hell for certain parties involved......

 

[gt2590]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Late Tues. nite update:

The PSU Board of Regents to meet Friday and start internal investigation by a special committee, who is being selected between now and then...

 

[Titans74]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

I hope that all that are guilty, in any way, find themselves in a prison shower on the receiving end of the same offense.

 

[Gwynn545]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Well, I was never a Penn St. fan before, but now I loathe them...Kinda suck for all of the good people who are, and were, a part of the University...
I can see it now... "Oh, you went to Penn St.? STAY AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN!!!"

 

[Lancemountain]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

JoePa hasn't known what's been going on for at least 2 years now.

He knew enough to kick the **** out of Michigan in 09 and 10

This is the most exciting think to happen to boring ass Penn State in decades

By "decades" I'll assume you mean 20 years. In the last 20 years, boring ass Penn State has been to 16 bowl games, won a National Championship and beat FSU in the 05 Orange Bowl to finish 3rd in one of the most exciting bowl games played.

JoePa is [strike:1f0l9q1s]a great[/strike:1f0l9q1s] the greatest football mind we have seen.

That said, I went to PSU and as a life long fan and Alumnus, I find all of this disturbing. The climate on campus when I was there 94-00 and what I know first hand is that Paterno is literally a Demi-God. He could have done anything under any situation and not one person in administration would have stood up to him. He was/is PSU.

Whatever the involvement, this needs to be investigated. Violence against children is the most sickest of acts and Sandusky will get his. Like Phillyfan said, let's wait and see the facts reaterno. But if Paterno has acted in any way inappropriately in regards to reporting and following this up, he needs to be held 100% accountable. Pains me to say this, but it is true. I don't think his hands are clean. All I do know is that JoePa has ruled that campus for a very long time and I find it hard to believe he would not know every detail of what happens on HIS campus, much less the athletic facilities that he, himself, funded and ruled.

Sad times Hope Sandusky rots in jail till the end of his days

 

[TiajuanaDonkey]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

ESPN just reported that Joe Pa will retire after this season.

 

[mstng99tim]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Rumor is that JoePa will be stepping down at the end of the season. Which, in all honesty, is probably the best thing to do as opposed to stepping down before the season ends. If he stepped down before the season ends, that wouldn't be fair to the current team, who did nothing wrong in all of this mess.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

A reporter on Mike and Mike this morning reported its rumored Tom Ridge will take over as the University president. Seems like a clean sweep will occur and its the thing to do since there are many "dirty" hands in this tragedy.

 

[nosterbor]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

Ok, I should change it to, How many kids could Paterno, and staff, have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?
Not sure how anyone can defend Paterno's actions here. He was told an associate was having intercourse with a young man and he tells his bosses. Unbelievable!

I'm not defending anyone. Paterno reported the incident to his bosses and it seems purged himself of sandusky shortly after. Sandusky basically admitted to assaulting a child and the DA chose not to prosecute. To ignore the fact that paterno failed to moral obligation, sure, although we still dont know to what extent he pursued this. Paterno has blame here but to throw this on him and what he could have prevented? There are many in line before him including several eye witnesses.

Hey boss,Joe Blow just shot Mary Sue,I am off the clock and going home.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

How many kids could Paterno have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?

Come on, there is a DA walking around who chose not to prosecute him in 1998. Paterno was probably not right but the failure here is that of the legal system and its failure to act along with those who this was reported to not acting.

Ok, I should change it to, How many kids could Paterno, and staff, have saved from being sexually abused by turning him into the police?
Not sure how anyone can defend Paterno's actions here. He was told an associate was having intercourse with a young man and he tells his bosses. Unbelievable!

I'm not defending anyone. Paterno reported the incident to his bosses and it seems purged himself of sandusky shortly after. Sandusky basically admitted to assaulting a child and the DA chose not to prosecute. To ignore the fact that paterno failed to moral obligation, sure, although we still dont know to what extent he pursued this. Paterno has blame here but to throw this on him and what he could have prevented? There are many in line before him including several eye witnesses.

Hey boss,Joe Blow just shot Mary Sue,I am off the clock and going home.

Good looks like you need some sleep, you make no sense when you're so tired.

 

[gt2590]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

For those without Insider an article from mid-day Weds. about possible replacements. Personally, I could see Kirk Ferentz being the guy...

With the news that Joe Paterno is retiring, there are going to be a lot of conflicted emotions around Penn State. The program is obviously facing significant issues both from a legal standpoint, from an emotional one, and also as it deals with a lack of current leadership given the recent upheaval.

With that said, we're tasked with the job of considering where the program will go next, and that discussion obviously begins with who will be the next person to lead the program. Multiple names will surface throughout the potentially long and exhausting search for the perfect hire, and we've heard from a number of sources today on some of the names that might come into focus.

Those which will obviously be brought up and continue as fan favorites include former Florida head coach and current ESPN analyst Urban Meyer, Miami head coach Al Golden and Rutgers head coach Greg Schiano.

Meyer's name is often mentioned, discussed by pundits and blogs (one example) as a possibility prior to the recent events on campus. Meanwhile, Golden's name has already been considered in conjunction with Penn State's program.

Jack McCaffery of the Delaware County Daily Times offered, "Just thinking out loud, though: Money sometimes works. So flash some. Offer Urban Meyer twice his expected demanded fee. Recruit Bill Cowher. Call Jon Gruden." Gruden, of course, is also a current ESPN analyst, though one not unaccustomed to hearing his name linked to prominent jobs.

Another NFL name to remember is Indianapolis head coach Jim Caldwell. The Colts are a disaster at the moment, and its conceivable Caldwell will not be retained. Caldwell spent seven years as an assistant coach to Paterno.

Others with previous ties to the program include Tennessee Titans head coach Mike Munchak and Connecticut head coach Paul Pasqualoni. That said, it's hard to know at this point if ties to the program will be considered a positive. The school may wish to go in another direction entirely.

Coaches by the Numbers also suggests TCU head coach Gary Patterson, Boise State head coach Chris Peterson, Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald, Wake Forest head coach Jim Grobe and Mississippi State head coach Dan Mullen.

ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach and Adam Rittenberg put together an intriguing list of possibilities, a group that includes Virginia coach Mike London, Houston coach Kevin Sumlin and Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen. None of the three have direct links to the school (it's unclear if that will matter or not in this coaching search), but all are up-and-coming coaches with regional ties that could make them logical candidates for the job.

ESPN's Joe Schad has told us that Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name that could be considered as well.

Inevitably, names such as former Michigan head coach Rich Rodriguez, Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart and former Texas Tech head coach Mike Leach will enter the conversation as the hottest names around the country, but given the situation, we've heard that a name with proven experience leading a program could be key.

While there will obviously be a lot of scrutiny on the program in the months and years going forward, from a pure destination standpoint, this is still a significant job. Penn State is among the top five programs nationally in total revenue. Quite simply, the program is a monster from a financial standpoint, and the search can go in a lot of different directions.

 

[Zeeck]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Rumor is that JoePa will be stepping down at the end of the season. Which, in all honesty, is probably the best thing to do as opposed to stepping down before the season ends. If he stepped down before the season ends, that wouldn't be fair to the current team, who did nothing wrong in all of this mess.

Who gives a crap?!? Unfortunate consequence of his aiding and abetting child rape and the cover-up of child rape!!! He should be gone now.

 

[hive17]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

I have an odd take on this, and it kind of defends JoPa at this point. We are all looking at this VERY emotionally. And rightfully so, but that's still a fact.

I believe that Paterno found out about it (second-hand BTW) and reported it to the people he thought would do something about it. They didn't. At that point, legally, Paterno is off the hook. Now, unfortunately, Paterno's swan song will be this large moral judgement weighed against him. That's fair. But then ask yourself this: where does it stop?

A lot of people want to villify ANYONE who had something to do with this, but the name you keep hearing is Paterno. Why is he so special? If we want to start assigning blame, is it fair to include the parents of these young kids for allowing them to spend time with a stranger (sure, they knew who he was, but c'mom, he's still a stranger)? Is it fair to blame everyone who isn't the victim? If you can make an arguement that Paterno is guilty of facilitation by doing nothing, than so is everyone who allowed the situation to occur in ANY facet.

If you're a scool teacher and you report abuse, who do you report to? Do you go straight to the police? If you don't, are you then complicant? Or look at it this way: if JoPa didn't go to the police THAT DAY, and one day passed, is he still responsible?

In the end, ONE monster is responsible. The people that perjured themselves will do time, but that's besides the point.

 

[lisu]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

I have an odd take on this, and it kind of defends JoPa at this point. We are all looking at this VERY emotionally. And rightfully so, but that's still a fact.

I believe that Paterno found out about it (second-hand BTW) and reported it to the people he thought would do something about it. They didn't. At that point, legally, Paterno is off the hook. Now, unfortunately, Paterno's swan song will be this large moral judgement weighed against him. That's fair. But then ask yourself this: where does it stop?

A lot of people want to villify ANYONE who had something to do with this, but the name you keep hearing is Paterno. Why is he so special? If we want to start assigning blame, is it fair to include the parents of these young kids for allowing them to spend time with a stranger (sure, they knew who he was, but c'mom, he's still a stranger)? Is it fair to blame everyone who isn't the victim? If you can make an arguement that Paterno is guilty of facilitation by doing nothing, than so is everyone who allowed the situation to occur in ANY facet.

If you're a scool teacher and you report abuse, who do you report to? Do you go straight to the police? If you don't, are you then complicant? Or look at it this way: if JoPa didn't go to the police THAT DAY, and one day passed, is he still responsible?

In the end, ONE monster is responsible. The people that perjured themselves will do time, but that's besides the point.

I agree with Hive here. If Joe Paterno actually saw the rape happen, then I think he is responsible to go to the police. However, since he didn't witness it but only heard second hand an account of it, then he did what he thought was the correct thing to do - he reported it to his boss. You don't go to the police if you don't have evidence. What if the grad assistant made the story up and told Paterno a lie? Then Sandusky could have filed a lawsuit against Paterno for defamation and everything else that goes along with false accusations. I don't like what ultimately happened here but blaming Paterno fully is not the right thing to do.

 

[KC37]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Rumor is that JoePa will be stepping down at the end of the season. Which, in all honesty, is probably the best thing to do as opposed to stepping down before the season ends. If he stepped down before the season ends, that wouldn't be fair to the current team, who did nothing wrong in all of this mess.

Who gives a crap?!? Unfortunate consequence of his aiding and abetting child rape and the cover-up of child rape!!! He should be gone now.

Agreed. Who the hell lets this guy dictate his own exit?

As for what he can do with his information...sure, you tell your superiors. AND THEN YOU CALL THE POLICE! You put them in touch with the person who saw the action in the first place. Period. You're Joe Paterno - you can orchestrate a quiet inquiry - hell, you were able to orchestrate a decade-long cover up.

And then you follow up with your superiors and make sure they acted on the information. This isn't something like, "Hey, I recommended that they get a new flavor of coffee for the coffee machine, so I'll just suggest it and see what happens." This is CHILD RAPE! If you have a soul, you make sure this gets followed up on.

EDIT - What really set me off was his speech on his lawn, saying the victims, or "whatever they want to say", had a "tough life". Really? You *******.

 

[Iamjoecollector]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

Paterno followed the law. What about the GA that ran away? Typical Righteous Political Outrage. Screw you Penn State.

I have an odd take on this, and it kind of defends JoPa at this point. We are all looking at this VERY emotionally. And rightfully so, but that's still a fact.

I believe that Paterno found out about it (second-hand BTW) and reported it to the people he thought would do something about it. They didn't. At that point, legally, Paterno is off the hook. Now, unfortunately, Paterno's swan song will be this large moral judgement weighed against him. That's fair. But then ask yourself this: where does it stop?

A lot of people want to villify ANYONE who had something to do with this, but the name you keep hearing is Paterno. Why is he so special? If we want to start assigning blame, is it fair to include the parents of these young kids for allowing them to spend time with a stranger (sure, they knew who he was, but c'mom, he's still a stranger)? Is it fair to blame everyone who isn't the victim? If you can make an arguement that Paterno is guilty of facilitation by doing nothing, than so is everyone who allowed the situation to occur in ANY facet.

If you're a scool teacher and you report abuse, who do you report to? Do you go straight to the police? If you don't, are you then complicant? Or look at it this way: if JoPa didn't go to the police THAT DAY, and one day passed, is he still responsible?

In the end, ONE monster is responsible. The people that perjured themselves will do time, but that's besides the point.

I agree with Hive here. If Joe Paterno actually saw the rape happen, then I think he is responsible to go to the police. However, since he didn't witness it but only heard second hand an account of it, then he did what he thought was the correct thing to do - he reported it to his boss. You don't go to the police if you don't have evidence. What if the grad assistant made the story up and told Paterno a lie? Then Sandusky could have filed a lawsuit against Paterno for defamation and everything else that goes along with false accusations. I don't like what ultimately happened here but blaming Paterno fully is not the right thing to do.

 

[Iamjoecollector]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

He didn't aid and abet anything.

Rumor is that JoePa will be stepping down at the end of the season. Which, in all honesty, is probably the best thing to do as opposed to stepping down before the season ends. If he stepped down before the season ends, that wouldn't be fair to the current team, who did nothing wrong in all of this mess.

Who gives a crap?!? Unfortunate consequence of his aiding and abetting child rape and the cover-up of child rape!!! He should be gone now.

 

[mstng99tim]

Re: Sexual Crime Scandal Hitting Penn State (former DC, AD)

It's now official, JoePa is out at Penn State, as well as president Graham Spanier.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... penn-state