Penn State sex scandal - Paterno is out

[JzWand]

Sandusky was on campus in the weight room as late as last week, and was still working with children this year.

I read somewhere that he has 6 adopted kids. Someone get them out of that house ASAP.

Hi son Jon is actually the Director of Player Personnel for the Browns.

 

[19braves77]

This story just gets weirder:

It seems the local joke may have been that Sandusky in State College while married had a thing for men on the side. That was supposedly well known around town and yes there is supposedly a local eatery that makes a "Sandusky" which is two scoops of ice cream with a cone sticking up on top between them. Yes, it represents exactly what you think it does.

 

[thefatguy]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

So the players should be made to suffer for the actions of those who were guilty? I'm not really sure how that makes any sense.


Hopefully those kids play to honor those victims and not for Joe Paterno...

 

[gt2590]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

Why they heck should they forfeit their season? I don't get that, especially since the players currently there had nothing to do with any of this and have never been implicated in this or any other infractions...

 

[thefatguy]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

So the players should be made to suffer for the actions of those who were guilty? I'm not really sure how that makes any sense.


Hopefully those kids play to honor those victims and not for Joe Paterno...

Yes.

Not punishing the athletes, punishing the school for the cover up.

Let them transfer.

 

[ccouch (Chad)]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

So the players should be made to suffer for the actions of those who were guilty? I'm not really sure how that makes any sense.


Hopefully those kids play to honor those victims and not for Joe Paterno...

I agree that that cancelling the remainder of the season would definitely be an overreaction. The trustees moved decisively (and appropriately in my view) in canning the president and Paterno. I think it is clear that they aren't done. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they don't wipe out most of the existing athletics department administration, let a new AD choose a football coach, and let that new football coach clean house and bring in his own staff. There are clearly folks on the current staff that have nothing to do with the scandal, but they are simply going to be collateral damage.

The whole thing is really terrible. There are a lot of good folks at Penn State and this taint is going to take a long time to wash away. But that pales in comparison to the harm that Sandusky wreaked.

 

[thefatguy]

If you compare Ohio State's (self imposed) punishments, plus the fact that there's more allegations, I think the NCAA is well within their right to nail PSU to the wall...



Ohio State Faces Failure To Monitor Charge
NCAA, OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY | COMMENTS

The NCAA has notified Ohio State University that it is facing a failure to monitor charge, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. The university will cut five scholarships over a three-year period beginning next year as a result of the NCAA’s findings.

“Over the past three months, our athletics department staff has continued to work cooperatively with the NCAA to conclude our inquiry into the remaining items related to our football program,” athletic director Gene Smith said today in a statement. “Throughout the entire process since we discovered possible infractions, the athletics department has consistently worked with the NCAA to investigate any allegation, take responsibility, self-report its findings to the NCAA in a transparent manner, and take necessary remediation steps.”

The NCAA had informed Ohio State earlier this year that it was not being accused of a failure to monitor its football team, which has faced several violations over the past two years. According to the Columbus Dispatch, their decision to invoke the charge now means that the NCAA believes that the violations were a result of an overall institutional problem, as opposed to the infractions of a single violator.

Ohio State has indicated that their failure to monitor charge has stemmed from violations involving payments to players from boosters for work that was not actually done, and from instances where players accepted money for appearing at charity events. According to the university, the most recent charges from the NCAA do not stem from the now infamous memorabilia compensation scandal which ultimately led to the resignation of head coach Jim Tressel.

The more recent violations involved booster Bobby DiGeronimo, who admits to arranging improper payments to players at charity events, but denies paying players for work that was not done.

 

[19braves77]

I wouldn't have a problem with Penn State not playing the game on Saturday. My reason for this is because on Saturday, your going to have over 100,000 people in State College, acting like nothing happen for 3 hours. I know its silly to act like this but with all the problems college football is having, it would be great for a school to make a statement that a game isn't all that important.

I was listening to the radio today and one announcer said that once all the info from the Freedom of Information Act is released, this could get uglier for Penn State.

 

[lisu]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

Agreed - McQueary should actually face legal charges IMO. He's more culpable than JoePa because he actually witnessed it.

 

[Benson]

Someone mentioned we only know the tip of the iceberg, I think you are right, many more heads will roll. It is going to be like Maryland and Len Bias when it's all over with, in that it will take the university 10-15 years to recover.

 

[miguelcabrera]

what would have been same outcome if psu was undefeated right now?

 

[KC37]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

[quote:3qvmo0y8]

ANAL RAPE

And what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno he saw? That's the question and answer that we will never get an answer for. Maybe McQueary wasn't explicit enough, and Paterno didn't understand how serious the allegations were. There are always two sides of the story - and you bet that McQueary is going to cover himself and state that he told Paterno everything, but we weren't there. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to this story, and McQueary is the one who should have stopped it immediately or gone to the police directly.

While I absolutely agree that McQueary should be fired himself, and should have gone to the police (and really, should have intervened physically when he saw it) - the grand jury finds his account credible, and he said it pretty clearly.
From a legal standpoint, that's good enough for me - Paterno was downplaying it for a friend, colleague, and the university's reputation.

And he needs to answer for it.

And people don't lie to grand juries? That happens all the time. If Paterno downplayed it, it wouldn't matter because McQueary then met alone with the AD and the other senior person. If Paterno had downplayed it initially, McQueary still had an opportunity to tell them what he saw clearly and succinctly. How do they come out of that meeting thinking that Sandusky was wrestling naked with a young boy in the showers is beyond me. At that point, McQueary should have contacted the police. This whole thing reeks of abuse of power, and it's beyond me how Sandusky was even allowed near young boys after his 1998 incident.

At this point - this is where it doesn't matter what Paterno told Curley and Schultz -

Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's senior vice president of finance and business, talked to McQueary about 10 days later. About two weeks later, Curley told McQueary that Sandusky's keys to the locker room had been taken away.[/quote:3qvmo0y8]

I think we're coming from two different angles, but near the same point.
I think ALL OF THEM need to pay. Dearly. Legally. And I think all of them are so wrong that I don't even feel like taking time to rank "who is more responsible than whom". There Sandusky in first place (obviously), and the rest of them are tied for second. And I don't think the parents that stayed silent (possibly paid off) are far behind that, either.

 

[alabamalongsnake]

Couple of things:

1- The title of this thread should really be 'rape scandal'. That's not just semantics. This isn't a sex scandal at all.

It wasn't just rape, there were other sex acts involved.

Change it to children molestation.

Agreed - calling a sex scandal downgrades this and makes it seem like some sort of illicit affair between two consenting adults. This is much more.

 

[hive17]

My wife had a good point: Why has so much of this debate been focused on Joe Paterno and PSU? Maybe because the criminal and the crime are so cut-and-dry evil, that there's nothing to discuss. But America and the media are so morbidly obsessed with horror like this, that we MUST talk about it. So Paterno is going to get an unfair amount or scorn, scrutiny and hatered because there's nothing else to talk about.

 

[gt2590]

My wife had a good point: Why has so much of this debate been focused on Joe Paterno and PSU? Maybe because the criminal and the crime are so cut-and-dry evil, that there's nothing to discuss. But America and the media are so morbidly obsessed with horror like this, that we MUST talk about it. So Paterno is going to get an unfair amount or scorn, scrutiny and hatered because there's nothing else to talk about.

Also, PSU's squeaky clean image and history makes it more of a story. People like seeing groups that seem self-righteous screw up. It would still be a big story at a program with previous issues but the conservative perception of Penn State adds to the story IMO.

Heck, the Lion football team has NEVER had an NCAA infraction that I know of. They had some Party problems awhile back but seemed to have that under control...

 

[19braves77]

Its also due to it being in the North. The South is often scene has Nascar loving, kissing cousin, rednecks who love their football. Throw this in along with the the Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, Pa having two dozen priests accused of sexually abusing minors Pennsylvania doesnt look like a great place to live if you have kids.

Seriously, I was asking my wife why I even read that sick document and she says its because I want the full story. I really wished I haven't read it.

 

[alabamalongsnake]

Its also due to it being in the North. The South is often scene has Nascar loving, kissing cousin, rednecks who love their football. Throw this in along with the the Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, Pa having two dozen priests accused of sexually abusing minors Pennsylvania doesnt look like a great place to live if you have kids.

Seriously, I was asking my wife why I even read that sick document and she says its because I want the full story. I really wished I haven't read it.

it's the story of the moment. a kid my sister graduated with is accused of the same thing as sandusky in South Cackalacky - http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011 ... -molester/

 

[hive17]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

Forfeiting the season is exactly the wrong thing to do. Why punish people who are unrelated to the crime? Regardless of some silly allowances to the players (free to transfer), they will be punished for this (they are being punished now, losing JoPa). You can't make a logical arguement for it, you're just going off of your feelings and emotions. That's the LAST thing we need in this situation: bad decisions are made in the heat of the moment.

 

[JoshHamilton]

I said it yesterday and I'll say it again...poor myopic Pennsylvanians

I still think they should forfeit their season. How is McQueary still employed? He's just as culpable as JoePa. The poor old man just didn't get it, and its incredibly sad the school let all those kids down.

You're going to judge an entire state by the actions of one school's irrational, drunken fans?

Are you mentally retarded?

Wait, I just read your second paragraph. You're clearly retarded