Penn State

[HPC]

If Joe was alive I can almost guarantee there would be a grand jury indicting him for being an accessory to rape and I personally hope hes burning in hell for his involvement.

80 years old or 30 years old, right and wrong, moral and immoral, legal and illegal does not change with age.

Just because nobody talked about same sex rape in 1940 does not mean it was just fine and dandy to do it then and for anyone to say that Joe's old age that gives him a free pass is seriously f***ked up and needs to reevaluate their own beliefs and stance on things.

Hive, i like you but your pacifism for Joe is unexcusable.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Agree. Granted, I am not sure the NCAA has the authority based on the fact there were no NCAA rules broken - lots of things wrong and broken, just not NCAA rules.

I have heard that an easy argument for the NCAA is that hiding information about this for so long was a direct violation for Penn State and a huge recruiting advantage (see argument just above about how recruiting has now been damaged). In the end, I don't think it matters much because the NCAA rules the roost and can impore the sanctions it wants to.

Also add all the student athletes and coaches for 27 other sports, whose scholarships, salaries, and costs are funded by football money and a little by men's bball. What about them?

An admin overhaul needs to and will be done. The collateral damage does not change the fact of what happened. Hurting more livelihoods is not the answer

It sucks but it has to be done to prevent this happening at Penn Statte or another school. And NOTHING will change the fact of what happened. This NOT a punitive issue, but is about setting a university back to a university instead of a tunnel-vision football factory and sending a clear message in doing so.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I can't agree with the whole "death penalty" idea as I agree with someone up above, it will only make more victims of the entire mess by taking away their livelihoods because of something they knew nothing about and could do nothing about. There is no reason to punish those people. Additionally, simply killing the program (or the school itself which is ridiculous) just reeks to me of trying to forget about it and pretend it never happened when people SHOULD remember that it happened.

I did a whopping three minutes of searching (have to run to post office) and found many state schools make one heck of a profit per year. Why not do something good with that profit for a few years? Keep the school and program running, get rid of the people involved in or knew of the crimes and did nothing, and take a percentage/all of the profits over the next XX years and give to either the victims or towards a variety of programs that help abused children.

 

[hive17]

If Joe was alive I can almost guarantee there would be a grand jury indicting him for being an accessory to rape and I personally hope hes burning in hell for his involvement.

80 years old or 30 years old, right and wrong, moral and immoral, legal and illegal does not change with age.

Just because nobody talked about same sex rape in 1940 does not mean it was just fine and dandy to do it then and for anyone to say that Joe's old age that gives him a free pass is seriously f***ked up and needs to reevaluate their own beliefs and stance on things.

Hive, i like you but your pacifism for Joe is unexcusable.

Again, I'm not excusing anything, and I'm not arguing for a free pass. His legacy goes down in flames, fine. But the thought of a sad and embarrassed old man dealing with this evil elicits some small bit of empathy from me. Like I said, it's probably because Jo Pa reminds me of my grandfather. Bottom line here is that Sandusky ***** those kids; that is simply not the same thing as the cover-up. To spew all this hatered towards PSU and Jo Pa, while understandable, takes focus away from how evil Sandusky is.

Jerry Sandusky is the WORST (hands down) person in the history of sports. Joe Paterno doesn't come close to him. OJ probably come closest. But we are acting like Paterno ***** those kids, and that's simply not true.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." That was certainly true in this case; but that still implies that Paterno was a good man for the majority of his life. If that's all wiped away, so be it.

 

[thefatguy]

Mizzou's Gary Pinkel is as sick as some of you

COLUMBIA, Mo. -- A state lawmaker took Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel to task Thursday for his recent defense of former Penn State coach Joe Paterno as "a great man."

State Rep. Sara Lampe issued a statement Thursday criticizing what she called the "Mizzou coach's defense of a child ****** enabler." Lampe is a Springfield Democrat seeking her party's nomination for lieutenant governor in an eight-candidate primary election on Aug. 7.

Pinkel defended Paterno on Tuesday while speaking with reporters at the Southeastern Conference's preseason football event. He called the Penn State sex abuse scandal a "tragic situation," but said Paterno's legacy shouldn't be tarnished by the actions of Jerry Sandusky.


"Joe Paterno's a friend that I got to know professionally, and you can't take away the greatness of this man," Pinkel said. "He was a great man. However you analyze this, you can't erase all that this guy's done. You can't do that. Nobody can do that."
In an interview with The Associated Press, Lampe said she felt compelled to speak out after hearing Pinkel's "revered comments."

"I believe Coach Pinkel was using his public voice to do what's right, and I'm doing the same," said Lampe, a former high school teacher and principal. "I have spent 30 years standing up for children."
Lampe said that by Thursday afternoon, she already had been excoriated for her strong words. Her statement lumped Pinkel in among "all but the most sycophantic of Paterno worshippers" who still defend the late Penn State coach despite the report's findings.

"Coach Pinkel's defense of the indefensible indicates that he holds the same attitude that allowed the reprehensible situation at Penn State to occur; the attitude that building a successful football program is more important than everything else, including protecting innocent children from rapists," Lampe's statement said.
Missouri football spokesman Chad Moller said that Pinkel and the university would not comment on Lampe's remarks

Sadly, many of YOU agree with Pinkel.

 

[schillingfan]

I have no sympathy for anyone associated with or helped to cover up a monster who ***** children. If I had ANY indication at all that a child was being molested, I would report it IMMEDIATELY. It's disgusting that people still want to celebrate the good that Paterno did in his lifetime. Did he do a lot of good? Absolutely. However, everything goes out the window when you let innocent children get ***** so your football program can be successful. It's a tragedy and I hope all of these scumbags get what they deserve and Paterno's name is removed from everything and his statue is taken down.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Mizzou's Gary Pinkel is as sick as some of you






Sadly, many of YOU agree with Pinkel.

Why not call out specific people then instead of hiding behind a broad generality?

 

[hive17]

Mizzou's Gary Pinkel is as sick as some of you


Sadly, many of YOU agree with Pinkel.

No one here, including me, has said this or anything like what Pinkel said. I never said I think Paterno is still a great man or that he needs to be defended. I just feel saddened by the whole situation (specifically, and only, Joe Paterno), and it elicits a small bit of empathy for someone who made a terrible decision when faced with an even worse circumstance.

I will always believe that Joe Paterno died because of this. This disgusting event and Jerry Sandusky, killed Joe Paterno. Dead. XXXXing dead. That's sad, because Joe Paterno didn't deserve to die.

 

[thefatguy]

Your empathy for a child ****** sympathizer is disgusting.


They're taking the statue that represents child rape down.

Correct call.

 

[hive17]

Your empathy for a child ****** sympathizer is disgusting.


They're taking the statue that represents child rape down.

Correct call.

Your characterization of Joe Paterno as a child rapsist sympathizer is incorrect. That assumes that Joe Paterno didn't care that this happened. I can assure you that he knew it was terrible. He just chose to take a horrible choice of action.

You're emotions are preventing you from understanding me, so I'll summerize like this: I've stated that I felt this whole situation caused Joe Paterno's death; I want Jerry Sandusky dead, I didn't want Joe Paterno dead. There-in lies my empathy, and ONLY there.

I save my hate for certain people. Hate is a strong emotion that I am careful with.

 

[thefatguy]

PSU is going to face unprecedented sanctions tomorrow

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Your empathy for a child ****** sympathizer is disgusting.


They're taking the statue that represents child rape down.

Correct call.

Your continued failure to identify directly who you are speaking to, or about, is cowardly.

 

[19braves77]

More than likely post season bans combined with fewer scholarships. Maybe allowing all football players to transfer without missing a season which they will do. Maybe up to 5 years is my guess. Unprecedented, would be something like stripping PSU and JoePa on all wins back to 2001. Maybe a season or two of no televised games. Like I said, its going to feel like the death penalty.

I bet Bill O'Brien isn't to happy with this situation. Penn State better hope they dont have any small infractions floating around campus.

 

[RITM]

I do not think the NCAA will impose a regular season ban. However, if they do not impose a 1 year ban I have a feeling that some would rather have a 1 year ban after the NCAA gets through with them.

 

[Card Magnet]

I still feel the NCAA will be adding more names to the list of victims. These punishments will basically only affect people who have nothing in common with the scandal other than being employed by or enrolled to PSU.

 

[Labratt21]

Report on Yahoo says "NCAA hits Penn State football with $60 million fine, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011."

 

[19braves77]

Bowden is your all time winning coach.

Mark Emmert announces:
- $60M fine
- vacates all wins from 1998-2011
- four year post-season ban
- 40 scholarships lost
- any entering or returning football player may transfer with no waiting period
- any PSU player may retain his scholarship without playing
- 5 years probation
- NCAA reserves right to initiate formal investigation post-criminal proceedings

Big 10 to announce punishment in a couple of hours.

This is a 4 year coma for Penn State. You cant operate a Division I football program with this....

 

[phillyfan0417]

Bowden is your all time winning coach.

Mark Emmert announces:
- $60M fine
- vacates all wins from 1998-2011
- four year post-season ban
- 40 scholarships lost
- any entering or returning football player may transfer with no waiting period
- any PSU player may retain his scholarship without playing
- 5 years probation
- NCAA reserves right to initiate formal investigation post-criminal proceedings

Big 10 to announce punishment in a couple of hours.

This is a 4 year coma for Penn State. You cant operate a Division I football program with this....

A couple of those penalites were to absolve the NCAA of having to deal with the Paterno name and thats probably best.

Wondering now that the NCAA is in this business, what will happen in the future when criminal behavior is discovered in schools.

 

[Pine Tar]

A couple of those penalites were to absolve the NCAA of having to deal with the Paterno name and thats probably best.

Wondering now that the NCAA is in this business, what will happen in the future when criminal behavior is discovered in schools.

Nothing, it is all about money and will always be. But I would hope this is a wake-up call to the NCAA and how it does business.

 

[thefatguy]

A couple of those penalites were to absolve the NCAA of having to deal with the Paterno name and thats probably best.

Wondering now that the NCAA is in this business, what will happen in the future when criminal behavior is discovered in schools.

I think it has to be something pretty awful for the NCAA to punish a school like this in the future.


All I can say is good.


I was going to post yesterday, I wonder what "405" minus wins from 98-2011 would be. I'm glad they actually did it


Now take him out of the CFB HOF.
Forever