Pictures from ITG's first baseball product

[Bob Loblaw]

Wait... I see a pattern. Jeff N. is playing the role of drama queen in a thread started by a card company. Who could have guessed it?

No, I'm asking questions. There's a tremendous difference. I've found that this board doesn't like to question things; just accept and move on, and kiss the manufacturer's ass in the hope to get free stuff. This card company isn't going to answer the questions. That's fine. That's their right. I think it's a weak move to come here for the free advertising and not answer questions, but that's their right. And it's my right not to purchase their product.

It's all good.

No one gives a shat if you buy their products. They aren't Razor, they have been making quality products for many many years now and you questioning every move they make isn't amusing and/or interesting.

Jeff N. have you realized all you do here is argue? It is everyone against you most of the time, most people here do NOT value you whatsoever and would be glad you are gone!

Who am I arguing with? I asked a question in regard to licensing. Everyone was aginst me 2 years ago because i rained on their Razor parade. Sadly, I was right.

I haven't a clue who you in the blue hell you are (Hiya, mchenry!), so if you want to foe me, I honestly won't be hurt in the least.

 

[theplasticman]

:lol:

 

[cgilmo]

It's really a shame what this thread turned into.


It should have been about product.


It got turned into a posturing contest.



This is the reason that companies do not have an active role in forums.

 

[notjomommasclint]

the colon card is a beautiful card. it looks like what sterling should look like! large solid piece, great auto, and some thought behind the details. good work!

 

[mstng99tim]

[quote="Jeff N.":2d11gugz]

Wait... I see a pattern. Jeff N. is playing the role of drama queen in a thread started by a card company. Who could have guessed it?

No, I'm asking questions. There's a tremendous difference. I've found that this board doesn't like to question things; just accept and move on, and kiss the manufacturer's ass in the hope to get free stuff. This card company isn't going to answer the questions. That's fine. That's their right. I think it's a weak move to come here for the free advertising and not answer questions, but that's their right. And it's my right not to purchase their product.

It's all good.

No one gives a shat if you buy their products. They aren't Razor, they have been making quality products for many many years now and you questioning every move they make isn't amusing and/or interesting.

Uh, I questioned whether they had licensing. I didn't ask any other questions.[/quote:2d11gugz]
And you asked that same question weeks ago and ITG told you that they didn't have a license, what exactly don't you understand that you had to ask it for the second time??????

 

[PeteD]

It's really a shame what this thread turned into.


It should have been about product.


It got turned into a posturing contest.



This is the reason that companies do not have an active role in forums.

He's busy at the Expo in Toronto most likely. It's a big show for them.

If I see him i'll pass on the interest in the product.

 

[Hallsgator]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

Nice to see some Archer autos; willing to say what sets he will be in? Thanks

Agreed! Put some Smokies patches in!

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":zeazc3aw]

Wait... I see a pattern. Jeff N. is playing the role of drama queen in a thread started by a card company. Who could have guessed it?

No, I'm asking questions. There's a tremendous difference. I've found that this board doesn't like to question things; just accept and move on, and kiss the manufacturer's ass in the hope to get free stuff. This card company isn't going to answer the questions. That's fine. That's their right. I think it's a weak move to come here for the free advertising and not answer questions, but that's their right. And it's my right not to purchase their product.

It's all good.

No one gives a shat if you buy their products. They aren't Razor, they have been making quality products for many many years now and you questioning every move they make isn't amusing and/or interesting.

Uh, I questioned whether they had licensing. I didn't ask any other questions.

And you asked that same question weeks ago and ITG told you that they didn't have a license, what exactly don't you understand that you had to ask it for the second time??????[/quote:zeazc3aw]

As a moderator, I would think you would try to read posts rather than incite more trouble.

As I wrote previously,

Since they went forward with additional cards, and I've heard from a VERY credible groupof sources that they were going to include both major league team names on the back of the cards and Minor league logos on the front, I wanted to confirm that they were going without licensing. They are. I know what I needed to know. Moving on.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/downl ... .php?id=66[/url]

The NHL is different than the MILB and MLB. This picture above WILL get them sued. If they write up team names on the back, THAT will get them sued. I don't know their hockey product, do they use full on pictures of the logos?

Don't forget, MLB was VERY protective of their logos and trademarks with Donruss and Upper Deck.

"They know what they're doing" isn't exactly a winning argument.

And what exactly is the argument here? All I see is you questioning if they know what they are doing. Thats not an argument, thats just you being you. ITG knows what they are doing. If, and when, they release something that violates some MILB/MLB agreement(or lack there of), then report back.

As a potential investor, I want to know if these cards are licensed by the respective leagues. If not, I don't want to waste dime one on them.[/quote:3tz5pj0e]
Are you buying stock in ITG, because if you're talking about buying their cards, you're a customer, not an investor.[/quote:3tz5pj0e]


This could be, hands down, the least intelligent thing I've ever read on this board -- and that includes all of SchmidtFan20's posts.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

It's really a shame what this thread turned into.


It should have been about product.


It got turned into a posturing contest.



This is the reason that companies do not have an active role in forums.

People like being morons and nothing else thats all. ITG comes on here along with Leaf and instead of being thankful for that, They bash them and worry about in house legal matters. People just cant buy a box, pack or singles and enjoy the cards, They have to whine about everything. These are the same ones who bitch about the issues with Topps, Instead of of voicing the concerns normall and making suggestions. They act like a bunch of moppets and blatherskites and nothing else. A few good suggestions were made about the patch database of plastic band covering a part of the patch for safety concerns. ITG made a nice looking product and came on here for some suggestions, I am sure they will limit the threads about new product because of the immaturity shown in this thread.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

It's really a shame what this thread turned into.


It should have been about product.


It got turned into a posturing contest.



This is the reason that companies do not have an active role in forums.

People like being morons and nothing else thats all. ITG comes on here along with Leaf and instead of being thankful for that, They bash them and worry about in house legal matters. People just cant buy a box, pack or singles and enjoy the cards, They have to whine about everything. These are the same ones who bitch about the issues with Topps, Instead of of voicing the concerns normall and making suggestions. They act like a bunch of moppets and blatherskites and nothing else. A few good suggestions were made about the patch database of plastic band covering a part of the patch for safety concerns. ITG made a nice looking product and came on here for some suggestions, I am sure they will limit the threads about new product because of the immaturity shown in this thread.

/thread

 

[Zambrano38]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

Nice to see some Archer autos; willing to say what sets he will be in? Thanks

Agreed! Put some Smokies patches in!

They aren't cutting up my jersey! :lol:

 

[Wes]

[quote="Jeff N.":2olvw71i]

[quote="Jeff N.":2olvw71i]

Wait... I see a pattern. Jeff N. is playing the role of drama queen in a thread started by a card company. Who could have guessed it?

No, I'm asking questions. There's a tremendous difference. I've found that this board doesn't like to question things; just accept and move on, and kiss the manufacturer's ass in the hope to get free stuff. This card company isn't going to answer the questions. That's fine. That's their right. I think it's a weak move to come here for the free advertising and not answer questions, but that's their right. And it's my right not to purchase their product.

It's all good.

No one gives a shat if you buy their products. They aren't Razor, they have been making quality products for many many years now and you questioning every move they make isn't amusing and/or interesting.

Uh, I questioned whether they had licensing. I didn't ask any other questions.

And you asked that same question weeks ago and ITG told you that they didn't have a license, what exactly don't you understand that you had to ask it for the second time??????[/quote:2olvw71i]

As a moderator, I would think you would try to read posts rather than incite more trouble.

As I wrote previously,

Since they went forward with additional cards, and I've heard from a VERY credible groupof sources that they were going to include both major league team names on the back of the cards and Minor league logos on the front, I wanted to confirm that they were going without licensing. They are. I know what I needed to know. Moving on.

[/quote:2olvw71i]

LOL @ you telling people not to incite trouble.

 

[nyc3]

That wouldn't completely prevent anything, the patch fakers are now spitting the cards where they where sealed at the factory. So all you need to do is split the card and re-glue with a fake patch.

I've been hearing this for a while, and to me it's not believable. I do not see how you could possibly split a card in two like that, re-glue it, and not have it look destroyed. Like I always say though, if anybody is willing to prove me wrong I'm more than willing to change my mind. I will have to see it to believe it though!

And I have seen it with my own eyes therefore I dont need to see it. My local shop had a few tampered patch cards from last years topps triple threads. If not for a long ass lady hair that made a clear line in the side of one the cards it would have been undetectable, it was a white whale 1/1 he was going to get rid of when he realized it was fake he pulled it. He showed me the 3 cards that came in to his shop all with sick patches, only problem is when he pulled up terapeak the same 3 cards sold with plain patches a few months before.

So he gave me the go ahead to mess around with the card, well when I gave it a nice pull the card literally fell/ripped in 2 with the entire window exposed in the card so you can put whatever you want. With some good glue and some vice grips we where able to put the card back together after tearing it (to see if you can see the tampering without the patches in it not to scam) and it was nearly PERFECT when the hair was removed and I was in shock. Now it was not the cleanest job ever but I would imagine if a scam artist does this a few times they would only get better and better.

 

[sportscardtheory]

download/file.php?id=66[/url]

The NHL is different than the MILB and MLB. This picture above WILL get them sued. If they write up team names on the back, THAT will get them sued. I don't know their hockey product, do they use full on pictures of the logos?

Don't forget, MLB was VERY protective of their logos and trademarks with Donruss and Upper Deck.

"They know what they're doing" isn't exactly a winning argument.

And what exactly is the argument here? All I see is you questioning if they know what they are doing. Thats not an argument, thats just you being you. ITG knows what they are doing. If, and when, they release something that violates some MILB/MLB agreement(or lack there of), then report back.

As a potential investor, I want to know if these cards are licensed by the respective leagues. If not, I don't want to waste dime one on them.[/quote:1ep7jsvj]
Are you buying stock in ITG, because if you're talking about buying their cards, you're a customer, not an investor.[/quote:1ep7jsvj]


This could be, hands down, the least intelligent thing I've ever read on this board -- and that includes all of SchmidtFan20's posts.[/quote:1ep7jsvj]

It's technically true. You don't own stock in ITG. Any money you would make off their product is made after their products are already sold. You are always buying second-hand product when buying factory-sealed sporstcards. Unless you are buying directly from the manufacturer, technically you aren't investing in ITG, or any company for that matter, unless you own stock. If I buy a watermelon, I'm not investing in watermelons. If I owned stock in the company who grows/sells watermelons, then I am invested. Yes, you can invest in cards, but you aren't invested in the company that makes them just because they made them.

 

[Hallsgator]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

Nice to see some Archer autos; willing to say what sets he will be in? Thanks

Agreed! Put some Smokies patches in!

They aren't cutting up my jersey! :lol:

haha, maybe the snagged a powder blue one!

 

[Bob Loblaw]

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/downl ... .php?id=66[/url]

The NHL is different than the MILB and MLB. This picture above WILL get them sued. If they write up team names on the back, THAT will get them sued. I don't know their hockey product, do they use full on pictures of the logos?

Don't forget, MLB was VERY protective of their logos and trademarks with Donruss and Upper Deck.

"They know what they're doing" isn't exactly a winning argument.

And what exactly is the argument here? All I see is you questioning if they know what they are doing. Thats not an argument, thats just you being you. ITG knows what they are doing. If, and when, they release something that violates some MILB/MLB agreement(or lack there of), then report back.

As a potential investor, I want to know if these cards are licensed by the respective leagues. If not, I don't want to waste dime one on them.[/quote:1ecpdn5v]
Are you buying stock in ITG, because if you're talking about buying their cards, you're a customer, not an investor.[/quote:1ecpdn5v]


This could be, hands down, the least intelligent thing I've ever read on this board -- and that includes all of SchmidtFan20's posts.[/quote:1ecpdn5v]

It's technically true. You don't own stock in ITG. Any money you would make off their product is made after their products are already sold. You are always buying second-hand product when buying factory-sealed sporstcards. Unless you are buying directly from the manufacturer, technically you aren't investing in ITG, or any company for that matter, unless you own stock. If I buy a watermelon, I'm not investing in watermelons. If I owned stock in the company who grows/sells watermelons, then I am invested. Yes, you can invest in cards, but you aren't invested in the company that makes them just because they made them.[/quote:1ecpdn5v]

I take back what I said and would like to apply it to the above post.

One invests in a product. I have choices between numerous manufacturers. If this particular product is not licensed, I will not invest IN THE PRODUCT. Not in the company, in the PRODUCT.

::facepalm::

 

[sportscardtheory]

I take back what I said and would like to apply it to the above post.

One invests in a product. I have choices between numerous manufacturers. If this particular product is not licensed, I will not invest IN THE PRODUCT. Not in the company, in the PRODUCT.

::facepalm::

Of course you can invest in a product. No one is disputing that. You aren't investing in ITG if you buy their products, is the point.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I take back what I said and would like to apply it to the above post.

One invests in a product. I have choices between numerous manufacturers. If this particular product is not licensed, I will not invest IN THE PRODUCT. Not in the company, in the PRODUCT.

::facepalm::

Of course you can invest in a product. No one is disputing that. You aren't investing in ITG if you buy their products, is the point.

When did I ever say I was investing in ITG? I simply said "as a potential investor"...

 

[sportscardtheory]

I take back what I said and would like to apply it to the above post.

One invests in a product. I have choices between numerous manufacturers. If this particular product is not licensed, I will not invest IN THE PRODUCT. Not in the company, in the PRODUCT.

::facepalm::

Of course you can invest in a product. No one is disputing that. You aren't investing in ITG if you buy their products, is the point.

When did I ever say I was investing in ITG? I simply said "as a potential investor"...

Where did I say you that you said you were investing in ITG?