POLL: WAS THIS OFFER FAIR? (PRIZES AWARDED)

[blanning71]

Damnit! I come on here for the SOLE purpose of winning something free and I don't win!


Stoopy Brine Graze.....I no take up for yous anymore!

 

[AmishDave]

I know if I was offered $6750, it'd be in your hands right now, Brian.

A very stout offer, IMO.

 

[RZimm11]

Dwright, he said he was tired of lowball offers including mine. That is a blatant callout/badmouth. Doesnt matter anymore, deal is over. Ready for the next deal.

Ok, I think I'm gonna move on as suggested... Obviously Beckett had second thoughts about the inclusion of such a statement, since they removed it almost immediately.

That's enough for me.
Bg

Why is it that when Beckett gave you a forum to basically show-off that you bought the Strasburg to promote your product, and video for the whole net to see you personally hand the seller the check and pat yourself on the back, it was perfectly fine?

Yet now that it is revealed that your offer, as well as countless others apparently, for another card that you were going to include was seen as low by the seller, it is badmouthing.

Would we have gotten to see another check presentation for the Harper if you had gotten it for your price?

I was fully prepared to vote on the offer based on the poll and your initial post here. Then after about a dozen perfectly relevant responses by members, your next post referenced the article that wasn't even previously mentioned by anyone.

As usual, this was just another attempt at an ulterior agenda.

I had no clue about that article until you posted about it, then went and saw the other topic where the article was posted. It does in-fact say low and not low-ball, which in this hobby/business are different things. Unless the copied article by the member who posted it was altered. Now that Beckett has so conveniently removed that text, that is all that I can go by.

Putting yourself out in the business to promote your product does leave you open to these kinds of articles.

I guess it's great when your products are doing well to want to show them off, then whenever there is a backlash about something to try and sweep it under the rug or try and explain it away.

The more I see from your posts on here, the more I dislike your business practices. During the approach of the RRR release, your posts were all happy and smiles, willing to debate things and discuss just about anything and everything freely and openly. Now that you have sold out and moved on, you've been bashing anyone and everyone who questions your overstated prices on the cards from it. Now this backhanded attempt at vindication because you didn't get the card and your price was called low, just like all the other "normal" collectors that offered on it. Can't wait til your next release when we can hear from the nice and jubilant Brian trying to promote his products for about a month or so.

 

[jmc280zx]

It honestly does not matter if I think its a lowball offer. It doesnt matter what Brian thinks or what JP thinks or what Chris thinks. It only matters what the seller thinks cuz it is/was his card..

If he feels $6750 was a lowball offer then thats what it was.....

 

[Huffamaniac]

If I was lucky enough to pull it I would not have given it up for that little. I would have thought it would have gotten closer to 10,000

 

[All The Hype]

I haven't read this thread at all but here is my response to the initial question in the OP:

I voted it was a little below fair.

I personally thought it would have been hotter around the time of the offer with all the draft coverage and the hype of Harper being the #1 pick...and since it eventually sold for $12K+, and would have been hotter at the time of the offer, it seems to be logical to assume that the offer was low.

I didn't go so far as to say that it was insulting because I don't believe any offer is ever "insulting". Offers can be low, but the bottom line is that someone is offering you money for your card(s). I don't understand why people ever get insulted by that, even if an offer is low. It's very simple to say "no thanks" or "I'm looking for a little more than that"...what's the point of getting butt-hurt about someone trying to give you business?

And I'm not sure what the actual situation was either, but if I were the seller, I would have sent you a counter offer or at least sent an email to open up further negotiation. I don't know if that's what happened or not, but it seems implied that the seller called the offer a low-ball offer.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I don't believe any offer is insulting. An offer is a starting point to a negotiation.

 

[Leaf]

Dwright, he said he was tired of lowball offers including mine. That is a blatant callout/badmouth. Doesnt matter anymore, deal is over. Ready for the next deal.

Ok, I think I'm gonna move on as suggested... Obviously Beckett had second thoughts about the inclusion of such a statement, since they removed it almost immediately.

That's enough for me.
Bg

Why is it that when Beckett gave you a forum to basically show-off that you bought the Strasburg to promote your product, and video for the whole net to see you personally hand the seller the check and pat yourself on the back, it was perfectly fine?

Yet now that it is revealed that your offer, as well as countless others apparently, for another card that you were going to include was seen as low by the seller, it is badmouthing.

Would we have gotten to see another check presentation for the Harper if you had gotten it for your price?

I was fully prepared to vote on the offer based on the poll and your initial post here. Then after about a dozen perfectly relevant responses by members, your next post referenced the article that wasn't even previously mentioned by anyone.

As usual, this was just another attempt at an ulterior agenda.

I had no clue about that article until you posted about it, then went and saw the other topic where the article was posted. It does in-fact say low and not low-ball, which in this hobby/business are different things. Unless the copied article by the member who posted it was altered. Now that Beckett has so conveniently removed that text, that is all that I can go by.

Putting yourself out in the business to promote your product does leave you open to these kinds of articles.

I guess it's great when your products are doing well to want to show them off, then whenever there is a backlash about something to try and sweep it under the rug or try and explain it away.

The more I see from your posts on here, the more I dislike your business practices. During the approach of the RRR release, your posts were all happy and smiles, willing to debate things and discuss just about anything and everything freely and openly. Now that you have sold out and moved on, you've been bashing anyone and everyone who questions your overstated prices on the cards from it. Now this backhanded attempt at vindication because you didn't get the card and your price was called low, just like all the other "normal" collectors that offered on it. Can't wait til your next release when we can hear from the nice and jubilant Brian trying to promote his products for about a month or so.

Dwright, I will attempt to address the above:

1>

“I am relieved at selling the card,” he said. “It took three months of non-stop low offers from almost everybody, including Brian Gray from the Razor company, who only offered $6,750 and said I wouldn’t get over $8,000 for this card

. --- He was calling me out. The above has NO other explanation. Its his right to say whatever he wants. Doesnt make it the classy way to handle it though? Ill take the high road and let this go.

2> You say that I used beckett to promote the strasburg, which I did. However, you did not see me BASH or attack others who unsuccessfully tried to buy it (never mind naming losing bidders and insulting their hard earned cash offers).

3> My posts have generally been of a very positive tone for quite a long time. The ONLY questionable toned replies were in response to a member with whom I had an escalated disagreement. The RRR value posts were merely correcting errant reports of value. I am sorry, Dwright, that I refuse to let people bash a product using incorrect information. If you want to bash it based on my completely accurate claim that low end cases return $550-650, thats fine. But, to put down fellow members breaks saying cards are worth $100-200, when they are $750+ is not fair and I feel I owe it to my customers to share the truth.

4> I assumed it was obvious what the poll was in reference to, as just 2 posts below there was a header called "Harper Super sells for $12,500!"....
My bad, Ill make sure to be extra clear and not leave any confusion why I ask a question here if I do. Nothing backhanded here, everyone else seemed understand my reason for asking.

Dwright, Thanks for taking the time to reply in this thread.
Hopefully, youll ask around and find out that I HAVE been (and continue to be) very different on these boards now, than in the past.

Thanks for the replies guys.
By looking at the poll above, my question has been answered to my great satisfaction.
There's nothing else to see here, I guess. BG

 

[George_Calfas]

$6750 is about $6000 more than this card will be worth in a year. $6750 would have been an over payment IMHO.

 

[RZimm11]

Dwright, he said he was tired of lowball offers including mine. That is a blatant callout/badmouth. Doesnt matter anymore, deal is over. Ready for the next deal.

Ok, I think I'm gonna move on as suggested... Obviously Beckett had second thoughts about the inclusion of such a statement, since they removed it almost immediately.

That's enough for me.
Bg

Why is it that when Beckett gave you a forum to basically show-off that you bought the Strasburg to promote your product, and video for the whole net to see you personally hand the seller the check and pat yourself on the back, it was perfectly fine?

Yet now that it is revealed that your offer, as well as countless others apparently, for another card that you were going to include was seen as low by the seller, it is badmouthing.

Would we have gotten to see another check presentation for the Harper if you had gotten it for your price?

I was fully prepared to vote on the offer based on the poll and your initial post here. Then after about a dozen perfectly relevant responses by members, your next post referenced the article that wasn't even previously mentioned by anyone.

As usual, this was just another attempt at an ulterior agenda.

I had no clue about that article until you posted about it, then went and saw the other topic where the article was posted. It does in-fact say low and not low-ball, which in this hobby/business are different things. Unless the copied article by the member who posted it was altered. Now that Beckett has so conveniently removed that text, that is all that I can go by.

Putting yourself out in the business to promote your product does leave you open to these kinds of articles.

I guess it's great when your products are doing well to want to show them off, then whenever there is a backlash about something to try and sweep it under the rug or try and explain it away.

The more I see from your posts on here, the more I dislike your business practices. During the approach of the RRR release, your posts were all happy and smiles, willing to debate things and discuss just about anything and everything freely and openly. Now that you have sold out and moved on, you've been bashing anyone and everyone who questions your overstated prices on the cards from it. Now this backhanded attempt at vindication because you didn't get the card and your price was called low, just like all the other "normal" collectors that offered on it. Can't wait til your next release when we can hear from the nice and jubilant Brian trying to promote his products for about a month or so.

Dwright, I will attempt to address the above:

1>

“I am relieved at selling the card,” he said. “It took three months of non-stop low offers from almost everybody, including Brian Gray from the Razor company, who only offered $6,750 and said I wouldn’t get over $8,000 for this card

. --- He was calling me out. The above has NO other explanation. Its his right to say whatever he wants. Doesnt make it the classy way to handle it though? Ill take the high road and let this go.

2> You say that I used beckett to promote the strasburg, which I did. However, you did not see me BASH or attack others who unsuccessfully tried to buy it (never mind naming losing bidders and insulting their hard earned cash offers).

3> My posts have generally been of a very positive tone for quite a long time. The ONLY questionable toned replies were in response to a member with whom I had an escalated disagreement. The RRR value posts were merely correcting errant reports of value. I am sorry, Dwright, that I refuse to let people bash a product using incorrect information. If you want to bash it based on my completely accurate claim that low end cases return $550-650, thats fine. But, to put down fellow members breaks saying cards are worth $100-200, when they are $750+ is not fair and I feel I owe it to my customers to share the truth.

4> I assumed it was obvious what the poll was in reference to, as just 2 posts below there was a header called "Harper Super sells for $12,500!"....
My bad, Ill make sure to be extra clear and not leave any confusion why I ask a question here if I do. Nothing backhanded here, everyone else seemed understand my reason for asking.

Dwright, Thanks for taking the time to reply in this thread.
Hopefully, youll ask around and find out that I HAVE been (and continue to be) very different on these boards now, than in the past.

Thanks for the replies guys.
By looking at the poll above, my question has been answered to my great satisfaction.
There's nothing else to see here, I guess. BG

I appreciate the fact that you actually take the time to come on and address issues. By growing to own a card company, you've done what I, and probably a lot on this board and others would love to be able to do. From what I read, it always seems to be very one-sided self-promoting. Which of course is your right as a businessman trying to make your money. But most of the time, it seems like things are disguised with an underlying motive, just as this one. Like I said, I read the topic and your post, then was about to post my opinion. Then after reading and looking into what you posted about the article, I saw it as just trying to get a "thumbs up" from the boards, after being rejected on the offer.

As for the calling out, I still think that's how you are taking it. I still see it as a private individual stating that you gave one of many low offers, as he saw them. And since you are a higher profile person in the industry, he felt like he would name you. If it were me, I probably would have mentioned that you offered on it as well. Since it would probably be the only time I would deal with someone high up in the business. It just seems like another example of you taking these things very personally, when you are indeed a public person as the owner of a company. These kind of things should be expected.

Once again. It's cool to be able to talk to the owner of a company, at least on a message board. I have no involvement other than a collector in this great hobby and a huge baseball fan. Just irks me when I see things that seem underhanded or deceitful going on that really upset me.

Thank you for the discussion.

 

[MallCopKJ]

Definately fair considering he hadnt played in the Minors yet. I know all prospects are bought on potential obviously, but most guys at least have some success there before the prices skyrocket.

 

[kdailey4315]

Definately fair considering he hadnt played in the Minors yet. I know all prospects are bought on potential obviously, but most guys at least have some success there before the prices skyrocket.

Most guys are not on the cover of SI in HIGH SCHOOL.

 

[kdailey4315]

I really hope the seller is not a member here. If so this is a pretty ******* thing to do. He wasn't right for calling you out on what he perceived was a low ball offer but this kind of like stooping to his level for some petty payback. I would like to know what upsets you more. The fact that you were tastelessly called out or the fact that it actually sold for around twice your offer?

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Most guys are not on the cover of SI in HIGH SCHOOL.

Cover of SI isn't necessarily a good thing, it might be a curse -

 

[aminors]

A little below fair, I'd say. Kid is hyped to be one of the best we'll see in a long while. Thanks for the contest.

 

[kdailey4315]

Most guys are not on the cover of SI in HIGH SCHOOL.

Cover of SI isn't necessarily a good thing, it might be a curse -

To a casual fan/investor with deep pockets it can definitely drive up the price even though it's pure hype.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Most guys are not on the cover of SI in HIGH SCHOOL.

Cover of SI isn't necessarily a good thing, it might be a curse -

To a casual fan/investor with deep pockets it can definitely drive up the price even though it's pure hype.

I don't disagree, but with or without SI everything's hype until the guy performs for a reasonable period of time.

 

[bigpops65]

I know this, if it had been my card, I probably would've jumped at the offer. I think it was fair (at the time).

 

[Slette]

Is it a cop out if I say that $6750 is on the lower-end of a fair offer? I don't think you tried to rip him off, but knowing that card, if I was the seller, I probably would have at least tried to counter your offer. Just me, though.

 

[jjj7880]

I picked strong offer Brian.

James