Poor Jason LaRue

[RL24]

Ok, comparing someone keeping a racial slur uttered by an opposing team's player a secret too players keeping a secret that A: Is against the law and B: might lose them their jobs is pretty stupid.

Its like comparing someone who kept a library book too long with someone who just robbed a bank.

There would be ZERO motivation for the Reds players to keep it a secret. What would happen if they said it? If the umps said it? I am pretty sure somebody would have phoned ESPN about it.

The head coach of OU got canned for making a racist remark after it got on ESPN.

I am sure the commissioner would put the hammer down on Carpenter very heavily if it was proven true. There is no room in the game that uses Jackie Robinson one of their main marketing tools to tolerate that language.

Bro, what do you think it is that the Umpires left out of their report? The "few statements [which] caused the escalation" :?:

I think if you do a little research, it's easy to see what happened. Of course, I don't know that Carpenter dropped an N bomb, but I don't know what else he could have said that would have caused such a brawl.... and it's obvious that whatever the statements that were made were, they are being kept on the DL by all parties.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=dust ... af52b7e0b8

 

[morgoth]

I am assuming they were all given the MIB treatment so they would all forget. The real umps report is now being held with the MJ12 documents at Roswell.

 

[jbhofmann]

I am assuming they were all given the MIB treatment so they would all forget. The real umps report is now being held with the MJ12 documents at Roswell.

Childish responses don't help your argument. Maybe you should try something more believable like, "Dusty, your wife is a terrible cook!". Yeah that's what Carpenter said. ::facepalm::

 

[Super Mario]

Lets be serious. Larue's career has been over since 2005.

And how much was he still making a year that will be lost due to personal injury?

Stop being a dick, the guy's life was changed by assault with a deadly weapon.

Fixed

 

[LaBlueFan]

1. Larue wont sue because he knows it would destroy any future involvement he would like in baseball. Sports issues are kept very in house.

2. If Larue had a history of concussions, he should have given a second thought about entering an on field scuffle that you know could lead to guys getting punched, thrown, and tramppled on!

3. What Cueto did was not right but Larue would not win a lawsuit. Anyone who isnt biased would say that Larue KNOWINGLY entered himself into a dangerous situation and thus knew the ramifications of what could happen.

Comparing this to hockey is ridiculous since technically, a fight in hockey is basically allowed and a part of the game hence why after serving 5 minutes, the players are allowed back on the ice.
Also, in hockey players use only there fists. The odd instance where a guy has headbutted has resulted in a suspension.

In baseball, a fight is a free for all. There are no rules, no guidelines so arguing what Cueto SHOULD have done is stupid because there are 80 people involved so do what you have to to survive in the melee!

Also, bringing up other players issues that have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this situation is stupid.
Josh Hamiltons past drug use or Daryl Kile's heart issues have no place in this thread.
Every team has players with problems.
I imagine a good majority of those issues are kept in house as they should be.
If Carpenter dropped the N word (which although I hate him I seriously doubt), I am sure the cardinals players who would take offence with it dealt with him personally!

[Standing Ovation Smiley]

Wish they had one here.................. All I have to say is.....What you said!!!

And as far as People using Weapons in Baseball Brawls...........2 Words....Juan Marichal. Ask John Roseboro how that Louisville Slugger felt upside his DOME.....

It was unfortunate that LaRue got Hurt, but like it was said several times in this thread, He knew the Risks entering the Fight. If he is concerned about losing money, he should have stayed on the Bench, because I am sure that everyone who joined in "Off the Bench" was fined some amount of money.

Just for Arguement sakes: "BigRedMachine" Should Pete Rose Be Sued for ending Ray Fosseys Career for his Malicious Take out at Home Plate in a Freaking Exhibition "All-Star" Game????

End of RAMBLING

Dave

 

[jbhofmann]

Fosse's career wasn't ended by Rose in 1970. He actually went on to win the Gold Glove that very same year as well as the next. He actually retired in 1980.

 

[justinmandawg]

Cardinals really are a class act organization.

1.Darryl Kile - Drug Overdose
2.Josh Hancock - Died Drunk
3.Tony LaRussa - Dui Lucky he hasnt killed someone
4. Mark McGwire - Steroids
5. Tyler Bighames - Cardinals Minor Leaguer Drug Problems

You know you are about a fracking idiot. Daryl Kile died of a heart attack in his sleep. You are a piece of work. Does your Mom know what you type in the basement?? If you are going to throw out crap..at least know what you are talking about. Yes Mark McGwire is the only player in baseball to have done steroids.. He did it alone and no one else did it. The Cardinals are the only team to ever have anyone take steroids. What an idiot comment....

Its was a known fact he was a serious Cocaine and Marijuana user. Using those drugs over a period of time will cause a heart attack. Several players including Matt Morris admitted they knew he had problems. No need to sugarcoat anything. Truth hurts sometimes.

WOW..you are smart... Cocaine and weed cause narrowing of the arteries or Atherosclerosis. Where did you go to medical school???

Smoking marijuana can increase your rate by as much as 50% depending on the amount of THC.

I'm glad to say that you know **** about the cardiovascular system. Thanks for clearing it up w/ your last two posts.

Kyle's resting heart rate would be a max of 80. A 50% rate increase would be a bit over 120. Rate is a very minor factor of anything when it comes to a heart attack. A heart attack occurs because the blood flow to the smooth muscle of the heart (not blood flow through the heart)

Arterosclerosis has 0 to do w/ marijuana use. I won't address the cocaine use you allege since there's no proof of it besides with you.

 

[LaBlueFan]

Fosse's career wasn't ended by Rose in 1970. He actually went on to win the Gold Glove that very same year as well as the next. He actually retired in 1980.

yeah, i miss-typed. i meant to say "could have ended" ..... a hit that viscious could have done the job.

 

[mstng99tim]

I never understood why MLB allows the benches to empty and for the bullpen to run in when there is a situation taking place. Allowing all those extra players to get involved is just asking for something to escalate. If both benches and bullpens completely empty onto the field, that's around close to 70 players & coaches on the field. That's just way too many people for 4 umpires to handle. Look at basketball and hockey for example. You get an automatic suspension if you step on the court/ice if you you weren't already on it. It's about time MLB does the same thing IMO.

 

[RL24]

I never understood why MLB allows the benches to empty and for the bullpen to run in when there is a situation taking place. Allowing all those extra players to get involved is just asking for something to escalate. If both benches and bullpens completely empty onto the field, that's around close to 70 players & coaches on the field. That's just way too many people for 4 umpires to handle. Look at basketball and hockey for example. You get an automatic suspension if you step on the court/ice if you you weren't already on it. It's about time MLB does the same thing IMO.

That's a pretty good idea, but... if there are no runners on, it's 9 on 1. I guess the 1st & 3rd base coaches would be in the mix... but even so, best case scenario would leave you at 9 on 6 if you had the bases loaded.

 

[jbhofmann]

1 on 1.

Let the pitcher and batter go at it. Until the umps can get out to break it up. If a player leaves their designated position they are tossed.

 

[Super Mario]

There's a lot of dumb in this thread.


I'm all for a good baseball benches clearing brawl, but when you use a weapon, that's where I draw the line. You can't use the ball, bat, or your spikes. Don't be a *****, throw down like man.

Cueto's suspension was too short for what he did. I said it then, and I still believe so. Hell, he ended a guys career, and only got what, 8 games? If he would have hit an artery in LaRue's or someone elses neck with those metal spikes with a violent or even grazing kick, someone literally could have died.

I'm all for standing up for your team, and I understand it. But there's a difference in standing up for you team and going out of your way to be a blatant ******* ********* like bigredmachine. His comments in this thread baffle the **** out of me. Especially the Darryl Kile comments. Come on man, get a life. Kile died tragically, and of 'natural' causes, and there were traces of marijuana in his system. I'm the biggest opponent of using dope or smoking anything, but it didn't kill him. And if he had a cocaine problem, I would have heard about it somewhere through the years. I've never heard anything of the sort, and won't put any stock into that comment until it is somehow proven, which it won't be.


But Cueto should have never used his spikes in the fight, plain and simple. And nobody can justify his actions. LaRue could have been in the Major Leagues for several more years as a back up catcher with various teams. And he will lose out on a lot of income as a result of Cueto's actions. And it's a shame.

 

[JoshHamilton]

I wish baseball players acted like my friends.

If you get in a fair fistfight, no one is gonna take any further action. But if you get in a fight and you use a weapon like a beer bottle or the steel toe of a boot, you better watch your back cause you're gonna get jumped.

Cueto should be suspended for at least half a year. Maybe I'm biased because one of my friends actually died getting kicked in the head in a fight, but whatever.

 

[RL24]

And as far as People using Weapons in Baseball Brawls...........2 Words....Juan Marichal. Ask John Roseboro how that Louisville Slugger felt upside his DOME.....

I think the fact that you have to go back to 1965 to find an example of somebody using a weapon on the baseball field really says something. It says that people just don't do it!

I always found this pic hilarious though, mainly that he auto'd it...

 

[Super Mario]

Maybe Sandy Koufax used an ethnic slur? Then it would have been perfectly acceptable,





I think that Miguel Batista should have been banned from MLB for life after what he did/tried doing to Tino Martinez.


He threw a baseball as hard as he could from point blank range right at Tino's head. He literally could have killed him had he connected.

No way he shouldn't have been banned for life in my opinion.

EDIT:

Found some more pictures I had never seen before.

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[RL24]

Ok, comparing someone keeping a racial slur uttered by an opposing team's player a secret too players keeping a secret that A: Is against the law and B: might lose them their jobs is pretty stupid.

Its like comparing someone who kept a library book too long with someone who just robbed a bank.

There would be ZERO motivation for the Reds players to keep it a secret. What would happen if they said it? If the umps said it? I am pretty sure somebody would have phoned ESPN about it.

The head coach of OU got canned for making a racist remark after it got on ESPN.

I am sure the commissioner would put the hammer down on Carpenter very heavily if it was proven true. There is no room in the game that uses Jackie Robinson one of their main marketing tools to tolerate that language.

I did a little research on something else and came up with this awesome article explaining why nobody is saying anything. Also, don't forget that we aren't supposed to think of Jackie Robinson as a black baseball player, just a great baseball player who is in the HOF because he was great, and for no other reason. Now, onto the code...


In Major League Baseball, there is a code. The Code. Simply put, ballplayers do not rat out other ballplayers.

In society at large, such a philosophy is rare. If, say, a corporate executive is wronged by his company, he does not hesitate to level embezzlement or fraud charges against a fellow CEO. But baseball isn't the boardroom. The sport is composed primarily of young, tanned men who, from an early age, have been commanded to adhere to one of the world's most banal credos: What happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse. It's the sad truth about most professional athletes, and the reason you should deter your child from becoming one: Success is based upon an unnatural ability to follow along and limit cranial exertion.

"No matter what another player does, you're not supposed to call him on it," says Matt Treanor, a catcher with the Florida Marlins. "I'm not saying that's always right, because sometimes people deserve to be called out for their actions. But to do so risks your place in the game, and very few of us want to do that."

Jim Bouton, who released the tell-all biography Ball Four in 1970, was the first to truly test baseball's code. By the time the former Yankee pitcher's book hit stores, Bouton had already been granted ***** status. "To me, the most natural thing in the world is to see an injustice and speak out about it," says Bouton, who was banned from Old Timer's Day at Yankee Stadium for nearly 30 years on account of his transgressions. "I actually think that's a very human instinct. But baseball has a lot of paranoia to it. It fosters the mentality that to violate the code of secrecy is to break a cherished rule."

http://www.slate.com/id/2139038/

 

[jbhofmann]

Listen, I really like LaRue, alot. He was a great Red for many years. But someone please explain how this situation would have been any different if Cueto had a pair of flip-flops on. The concussion wasn't caused by the metal tips of spikes. The concussion was caused by the kick to the head after he (LaRue) had suffered years of blows to the head.

 

[RL24]

Listen, I really like LaRue, alot. He was a great Red for many years. But someone please explain how this situation would have been any different if Cueto had a pair of flip-flops on. The concussion wasn't caused by the metal tips of spikes. The concussion was caused by the kick to the head after he (LaRue) had suffered years of blows to the head.

I'm not an expert on these things, but I would imagine that the impact from a pair of cleats with any kind of spikes would be much greater then the impact of a pair of flip flops. I'm not a doctor, nor do I have a doctorate in science... so I'm not Dr. Science. But...

 

[jbhofmann]

Listen, I really like LaRue, alot. He was a great Red for many years. But someone please explain how this situation would have been any different if Cueto had a pair of flip-flops on. The concussion wasn't caused by the metal tips of spikes. The concussion was caused by the kick to the head after he (LaRue) had suffered years of blows to the head.

I'm not an expert on these things, but I would imagine that the impact from a pair of cleats with any kind of spikes would be much greater then the impact of a pair of flip flops. I'm not a doctor, nor do I have a doctorate in science... so I'm not Dr. Science. But...

I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The blow of the kick would cause the concussion not the metal of the spike. After suffering nearly 20 concussions in his life, he probably has a better lawsuit against the doctors that keep clearing him to resume playing.

 

[RL24]

Listen, I really like LaRue, alot. He was a great Red for many years. But someone please explain how this situation would have been any different if Cueto had a pair of flip-flops on. The concussion wasn't caused by the metal tips of spikes. The concussion was caused by the kick to the head after he (LaRue) had suffered years of blows to the head.

I'm not an expert on these things, but I would imagine that the impact from a pair of cleats with any kind of spikes would be much greater then the impact of a pair of flip flops. I'm not a doctor, nor do I have a doctorate in science... so I'm not Dr. Science. But...

I'm not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The blow of the kick would cause the concussion not the metal of the spike. After suffering nearly 20 concussions in his life, he probably has a better lawsuit against the doctors that keep clearing him to resume playing.

OK OK, I admit that I did NOT stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. So I have to graciously bow out and hand this one to ya.

:lol: