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Well, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed that the Jays didn't manage to land him.

That said, it never really fit their MO so the constant rumours of their success surprised me.

Fielder for 5 years, please :)
 

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Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again


It has nothing to do with race. It all has to do with pitchers coming to texas to die.

Chan ho was not mentioned because he was asian, it was because a lot of money was spent on a pitcher that failed miserably. Cliff Lee, did the same thing. Spending money in pitching in texas is a bad idea, they all turn out bad.

Also I am offended that you are calling me racist, since we have spent enough time together to know that I don't care what you are.

Why don't you go run after some chubby chicks ;) ;) ;)
 

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I am so glad the Yankees didnt get him. Ive had it with pitchers from Japan. The only pitcher from Japan that has worked out well for the Yankees is Daisuke!! This is an absolute waste of money. Texas could have spent their money elsewhere! Here's to Darvish and his 5.00 era next year!!
 

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homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Yes, because they're the same pitcher because they're both Japanese...?
 

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JoshHamilton said:
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Yes, because they're the same pitcher because they're both Japanese...?


Yes, but how many pitchers from Japan have been actually successful to warrant this type of money! Nomo?
 

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bouwob said:
Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again


It has nothing to do with race. It all has to do with pitchers coming to texas to die.

Chan ho was not mentioned because he was asian, it was because a lot of money was spent on a pitcher that failed miserably. Cliff Lee, did the same thing. Spending money in pitching in texas is a bad idea, they all turn out bad.

Also I am offended that you are calling me racist, since we have spent enough time together to know that I don't care what you are.

Why don't you go run after some chubby chicks ;) ;) ;)

The same Cliff Lee who helped Texas reach the WS last year?

Are you kidding?
 

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bouwob said:
Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again


It has nothing to do with race. It all has to do with pitchers coming to texas to die.

Chan ho was not mentioned because he was asian, it was because a lot of money was spent on a pitcher that failed miserably. Cliff Lee, did the same thing. Spending money in pitching in texas is a bad idea, they all turn out bad.

Also I am offended that you are calling me racist, since we have spent enough time together to know that I don't care what you are.

Why don't you go run after some chubby chicks ;) ;) ;)

I respect you enough to take you at your word, and if you're saying that your comp is based purely on the fact that a pitcher came to Texas as a free agent and failed, I'll rescind my statement as far as it pertained to yours.

That said, I've heard the aforementioned comparisons thrown around in what I would call a racist manner for months now as this saga has been unfolding, so I hope that you can understand why I would lump your comparison in with the other two that I mentioned as being evaluations based on non-baseball criteria.
 

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JoshHamilton said:
bouwob said:
Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again


It has nothing to do with race. It all has to do with pitchers coming to texas to die.

Chan ho was not mentioned because he was asian, it was because a lot of money was spent on a pitcher that failed miserably. Cliff Lee, did the same thing. Spending money in pitching in texas is a bad idea, they all turn out bad.

Also I am offended that you are calling me racist, since we have spent enough time together to know that I don't care what you are.

Why don't you go run after some chubby chicks ;) ;) ;)

The same Cliff Lee who helped Texas reach the WS last year?

Are you kidding?


get to the WS post season, yes.

regular season not so much.
 

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Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Well, the race card has officially been played. Good times on the interwebs. ::facepalm::

I think Darvish is too risky to pay this kind of money since he plays for a league in which Karl "Tuffy" Rhodes is a legendary slugger, but I'd rather spend $80 million on him than on C.J. Wilson.
 

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sports-vault said:
JoshHamilton said:
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Yes, because they're the same pitcher because they're both Japanese...?


Yes, but how many pitchers from Japan have been actually successful to warrant this type of money! Nomo?

You are not intelligent
 

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James52411 said:
Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Well, the race card has officially been played. Good times on the interwebs. ::facepalm::

I think Darvish is too risky to pay this kind of money since he plays for a league in which Karl "Tuffy" Rhodes is a legendary slugger, but I'd rather spend $80 million on him than on C.J. Wilson.

After all is said and done, Darvish will cost the Rangers between $100-120m for the 5 years that the Angels signed Wilson for at $77.5m. Darvish has a higher upside than Wilson, most definitely, but also comes with MUCH higher risk at $25-50m more.
 

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So teams can pay 50+ million dollars just to negotiate a contract with a player, but teams can't pay above slot price in the draft....MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! :benson:
 

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Bah humbug! That is certainly a letdown. :cry: For whatever reason the Jays can't have nice things. The last player that created such a buzz in TO was Rocket Roger (and maybe Lawrie). The Jays don't seem to be in on Fielder either. I'm also not keen on overpaying for Gio or Garza. I guess they will go with what they have.

At least I will be able to see Darvish play this season.


Darvish is a Top 5 "prospect". I don't think any of the other (IFA) pitcher had as high a ceiling as Darvish.
Park's wheels fell off after he left the Dodgers, injuries took their toll.
 

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Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again
race_card.jpg
 

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Wes said:
Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

bouwob said:
any body remember chan ho park??????
mwashuc06 said:
I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.
homerun28aa said:
I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

People questioning whether this was a good idea or if he will fail are not racist or stupid, they have merit, fact and logic behind them.

In scouting they lump high school and college players together due to the similar competition they face and how that affects the ability to predict them to the ML level, well Darvish plays in a league that has had recent pitchers struggle to have lengthy and productive careers at the ML level. It would be logical for someone to make the argument that there is a risk and history of players in this league not being able to perform at their contract amount.

Also scouting does not take into account a players ability to handle new parks, time away from home and language barriers. I think those are also part of the risk one must factor in.

People in Texas should have some degree of skepticism on this signing as it does have risk, but so do all signings be it minor league or drafting. The thing that makes this one much more risky is obviously the 100+ million dollars tied up in this player.
 

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