Razor Chrome: Will it become the new BDP?

[uniquebaseballcards]

I don't see what the big deal would be if Razor cards were to use chrome stock. Its like saying that UD is bad for using the same stock that Donruss uses - who cares? All cards were pretty much printed on the same stock for fifty years. There is more to a card than just the stock, although stock is important.

I also don't get the MLB license thing either since prospects aren't in the MLB anyway. Besides if Razor can get around Topps' license I don't see what good the MLB license is to begin with for pre-/minor league players. I just want all major league guys to have MLBPA licensing.

Seems that this all boils down to collecting what you think is best no matter who the manufacturer is.

 

[cgilmo]

I really hope they don't copy chrome. Not that chrome is bad, because chrome is the best prospect product on the market, but I think they can improve THEIR product by doing things different than chrome. Remember, razor base cards have little value, all the value is in the autographs.

You keep repeating this, and I think you're off base (pun intended). One of the things I was most disappointed in was the small percentage of the base set I was able to build in the one box I've opened so far. I saw that Dano wasn't even able to build the 100 card set out of three boxes. They may not have the value of the autographs, but they are important to collectors (read collectors, not prospectors).

You won't see many more Razor base cards. The vast majority of them are to be in the signature series every year.

 

[ru4scuba]

Joe Morgan is surprised that Billy Beane wrote another book.

:lol: Classic....

 

[ru4scuba]

Remember, razor base cards have little value, all the value is in the autographs.

You keep repeating this, and I think you're off base (pun intended). One of the things I was most disappointed in was the small percentage of the base set I was able to build in the one box I've opened so far. I saw that Dano wasn't even able to build the 100 card set out of three boxes. They may not have the value of the autographs, but they are important to collectors (read collectors, not prospectors).

You won't see many more Razor base cards. The vast majority of them are to be in the signature series every year.

I know, and I think it is a mistake. They're going to end up ignoring a large segment of the hobby.

TriStar Elegence failed. TriStar Projections succeeded. I know TriStar and Razor are completely different companies, but there is something to be said there. I'm not going to bother going into it here because I'm better off talking to the wall.

 

[cgilmo]

Remember, razor base cards have little value, all the value is in the autographs.

You keep repeating this, and I think you're off base (pun intended). One of the things I was most disappointed in was the small percentage of the base set I was able to build in the one box I've opened so far. I saw that Dano wasn't even able to build the 100 card set out of three boxes. They may not have the value of the autographs, but they are important to collectors (read collectors, not prospectors).

You won't see many more Razor base cards. The vast majority of them are to be in the signature series every year.

I know, and I think it is a mistake. They're going to end up ignoring a large segment of the hobby.

TriStar Elegence failed. TriStar Projections succeeded. I know TriStar and Razor are completely different companies, but there is something to be said there. I'm not going to bother going into it here because I'm better off talking to the wall.

You know which forum to use.

 

[ballerskrip]

come up with NEW ideas! Remaking the same old thing will get them no where. You already have letterman coming out, now copying chrome? That will NOT get them far in this hobby.

Note, I am not saying they are going to copy chrome, just giving an opinion based on the question from the OP.....

skrip

 

[J.O.]

come up with NEW ideas! Remaking the same old thing will get them no where. You already have letterman coming out, now copying chrome? That will NOT get them far in this hobby.

Note, I am not saying they are going to copy chrome, just giving an opinion based on the question from the OP.....

skrip

skriP, you have a PM

 

[DRav87]

come up with NEW ideas! Remaking the same old thing will get them no where. You already have letterman coming out, now copying chrome? That will NOT get them far in this hobby.

Note, I am not saying they are going to copy chrome, just giving an opinion based on the question from the OP.....

skrip

Yeah I agree. I think it would be awesome if Razor came up with a new idea that just blew us away, instead of just making a chrome product.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

What I've read in this thread and other threads -- everyone thinks that Topps is afraid of Razor and their market-locking practices.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Topps likely has more liquid capital than Razor does.

Who's to say that Razor and Topps don't get in bidding wars for next year's top 30 prospects -- and Topps, with greater capital -- wins? Razor will have to produce cards with whatever scraps they can get. Or the scenario that Topps focuses on 15 of them and simply buys them -- where RAzor has 15 top prospects and Topps has 15 top prospects?

Everyone seems to be putting Topps in the grave after this one year of exclusivity, but if they step up their game, they can re-obtain their monopoly again and, sadly, possibly put both Razor and Donruss out of the prospect game.

 

[beefycheddar]

What I've read in this thread and other threads -- everyone thinks that Topps is afraid of Razor and their market-locking practices.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Topps likely has more liquid capital than Razor does.

Who's to say that Razor and Topps don't get in bidding wars for next year's top 30 prospects -- and Topps, with greater capital -- wins? Razor will have to produce cards with whatever scraps they can get. Or the scenario that Topps focuses on 15 of them and simply buys them -- where RAzor has 15 top prospects and Topps has 15 top prospects?

Everyone seems to be putting Topps in the grave after this one year of exclusivity, but if they step up their game, they can re-obtain their monopoly again and, sadly, possibly put both Razor and Donruss out of the prospect game.

Or Topps is happy with what they made on BDP regardless of Razor and won't do a thing.

 

[Wes]

Wouldn't be stunned to see Topps return next year with "exclusives"

 

[Bob Loblaw]

What I've read in this thread and other threads -- everyone thinks that Topps is afraid of Razor and their market-locking practices.

I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Topps likely has more liquid capital than Razor does.

Who's to say that Razor and Topps don't get in bidding wars for next year's top 30 prospects -- and Topps, with greater capital -- wins? Razor will have to produce cards with whatever scraps they can get. Or the scenario that Topps focuses on 15 of them and simply buys them -- where RAzor has 15 top prospects and Topps has 15 top prospects?

Everyone seems to be putting Topps in the grave after this one year of exclusivity, but if they step up their game, they can re-obtain their monopoly again and, sadly, possibly put both Razor and Donruss out of the prospect game.

Or Topps is happy with what they made on BDP regardless of Razor and won't do a thing.

I can see them wanting to squish Razor. I would, if I were Topps. Allow the gnat to buzz around for a while, he may grow into a big bug. Squish him while he's still little, he's dead. Spend a little more for a product in 2009, then they won't have to do it again in 2010, 2011, etc.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I don't believe that due to copyrights that Razor will be able to use "Chrome" however...in homage of the great former MLBer...why not...


RAZOR SHINE


[insert drum roll here]

 

[justinmandawg]

I don't believe that due to copyrights that Razor will be able to use "Chrome" however...in homage of the great former MLBer...why not...


RAZOR SHINE


[insert drum roll here]

"Heyo!!"

signed
Ed McMahon

 

[Warren of Oz]

I'd like to see some innovation from a new company. Chrome, Lettermen, Autos - nice, but nothing new about that. This can't be an E-Z time to jump into the card market, but I think if you are going to try it you better have some innovative ideas. I love a redemption-free product, thumbs up for that Razor.

I think you will see some serious resistance to the $30 a pack stuff. There's an awful lot of lettermen cards out there already.

 

[cgilmo]

I'd like to see some innovation from a new company. Chrome, Lettermen, Autos - nice, but nothing new about that. This can't be an E-Z time to jump into the card market, but I think if you are going to try it you better have some innovative ideas. I love a redemption-free product, thumbs up for that Razor.

I think you will see some serious resistance to the $30 a pack stuff. There's an awful lot of lettermen cards out there already.

Yes there are a ton of Letterman cards out there.


Here is what they are probably banking on.

Quality. They are using a stitched letter as opposed to a glued one (like leaf limited football did)

Exclucivity. There aren't lettermen cards out of these players.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Why not just change there name from RAZOR to 'Roman' as well, this way atop of stealing all Bowmans ideas and technology(via your ideas), they can put 'Roman' on there packs and box's but make the 'R' in Roman resemble a 'B' so as to trick the public and steal Bowmans buisness there as well...


Here's a good idea!

Why not try something origonal and refreshing? build on what works, instead of just regurgitating it..

I once thought of producing a m&m's type of product and calling it w&w's... when sued I would change the name to E&E's, and then to 3&3's... by the time the courts caught up with me I'd be eating real m&m's in the Bahamas...

 

[Crash Davis]

[quote="Blue Hodges Reverend":3kve4zgb]

Razor will never overtake Bowman Chrome in any way shape or form... they are two completely different types of sets. Bowman Chrome is MLB licensed and Razor isn't... they can't be compared.

They have NEVER had the competition for prospects thar they have now w/razor around. The same thing was said about non-MLB liscensed DEEE. Razor will have the autos that Topps won't. In fact Topps won't even have cards of them. Remember A-rod siyuation. No Topps contract/card until way down the line.

What I meant was, Bowman Chrome will always be here, and will always be more popular. It is great that Razor is pushing them and taking some of their business by signing exclusives, but they will never actually "take over" as the next Bowman Chrome... unless they can secure a MLB license.

I see your point and you can bet MLB IS WATCHING. it's about money and who knows, Razor might have an MLB Logo some day, but that will increase the cost of products as well. With that being said, a liscensed Razor would have topps shaking in their boots, considering the exclusives they have.[/quote:3kve4zgb]

Why would Topps be "shaking in their boots?"

Do you think Topps' entire bottom-line is based upon Bowman Draft Picks and Prospects?

You really nave no clue whatsoever.

 

[Crash Davis]

BG hinted in a post that they would be doing a Razor Chrome in '09, since patent protection for the technology ends on Dec. 31st. Will Topps Bowman Chrome products have significant competition, being as Chrome is King?

Suggestion Razor: emboss the cards, i think that's what its called.

refractors /500
green refractors /300
blue refractors /150
gold refractors /50
red refractors /5
razorfractor /1

Additionally bring back the colored background w/ colored border.

Thoughts guys?

This is the height of comedy.

Man, you need to do some homework before you post nonsense like this. Really.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

(NOTE: This is in no way related to Razor's product...these are simple quick mock-ups.)